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  27. # [00:35] <jaacob> Bug/odd behavior: on http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements - rows where the API name is 'html/elements/*' are pages where a custom Page TItle was set. If you leave the page title blank, or type the same word (case-insensitive but it displays as typed: see Canvas in the list), the API name shows as the element name without the html/elements/ cruft.
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  30. # [00:37] <code_coyote> HI all -- got another idea for how to make the site more user-friendly and awesome, but it might be some work. For sections, have a way to collapse them and reopen, with a '+' icon or so (and a '-' icon when open). And use cookies and/or persisted session to keep track of state of individual pages. The default could be 'all open' or it could be settable in a user profile.
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  32. # [00:39] <code_coyote> Sessions could even be tagged, and the user profile could select which tags to always load open, and which always closed, and (lower priority default) for others.
  33. # [00:40] <code_coyote> Er, *sections* not *sessions* could be tagged
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  43. # [00:50] <DougMay> getting started -- updating compatibility info http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Getting_Started/Compatibility draft guide now ready (for review, and hopefully the next event)
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  45. # [00:51] <code_coyote> In looking at the generated HTML, what I suggested might be even harder, as I can't see if there's any way to add extra classes to the markup. Probably not any worse than Markdown for that, though.
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  47. # [00:53] <Mullany> so there are a bunch of stubbish articles in SVG Filters covering properties that should really be doc'd in their respective element pages since by themselves they don't mean a lot. Is the right methodology to document them in the element and then flag the property page for deletion or what?
  48. # [00:53] <Mullany> Or should we just leave them there (a lot of them are orphans)
  49. # [00:54] <jaacob> the Merge Candidate flag page states that once the merge is complete, the useless pages should be deleted, but I don't see a delete function. Am I overlooking it or is it a permissions issue?
  50. # [00:54] <Mullany> there is a "flag for delete" - but I don't' think ordinary users have delete permissions
  51. # [00:55] <@fr0zenice> only admins can delete articles
  52. # [00:55] <Mullany> that makes sense
  53. # [00:55] <Mullany> so I should flag for merge, then merge, then flag for delete?
  54. # [00:55] <jaacob> the Deletion Candidate flag says it shouldn't be used on articles to be merged - am I misinterpreting? http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Flags/Deletion_Candidate
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  59. # [00:57] <@Garbee-Mobile> How is the DocSprint going?
  60. # [00:57] <Wolfed> Hello everyone. I'm working on my thesis and I need to make some decisions, backed up by knowledge from people with programming server-side projects experience, not sure if anyone here would be willing to help me by answering a survey? (I need to get about 150 people to answer the survey) :(
  61. # [00:57] <@fr0zenice> DougMay: guide looks good, maybe use link titles for long links, e.g. link "centralized list" at the top instead of putting the raw link
  62. # [00:57] <@Garbee-Mobile> Wolfed: Please don't sollicite things like that in this channel.
  63. # [00:58] <@Garbee-Mobile> Does anyone know where Wolfed can ask people to take surveys? I can't think of anywhere.
  64. # [00:59] <@NotTomato> Hi Garbee-Mobile~~
  65. # [00:59] <@fr0zenice> maybe #web or such
  66. # [00:59] <@NotTomato> He can ask on Reddit probably.
  67. # [00:59] <@NotTomato> Like reddit r/programming or something
  68. # [01:00] <@NotTomato> I'm not really sure if people in chats feel like doing polls though.
  69. # [01:00] <@Garbee-Mobile> I think we should talk about having a place for people to ask things like that. But right now we just aren't the place.
  70. # [01:00] <@Garbee-Mobile> Just for those that *want* to do things like that they can go somewhere, perhaps in the hopeful future bugtracker I'm looking at.
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  72. # [01:05] <@fr0zenice> jaacob: I'd say if you don't find someone to delete the old merge-candidate immediately, flag it as deletion candidate so it can get deleted later, make sure to leave a note stating it was merged
  73. # [01:06] <@fr0zenice> also @ Mullany
  74. # [01:06] <jaacob> fr0zenice: did exactly that, thanks. :)
  75. # [01:07] <Wolfed> Sorry Garbee-Mobile, thought I could ask. It cant just be a random site, as it needs to be people really involved in programming. But thanks for your answer though :)
  76. # [01:07] <Wolfed> Oh, I'll try on reddit. Thanks a lot guys! And sorry again for the inconviniences :)
  77. # [01:08] <@Garbee-Mobile> Wolfed: No real invonvinience. We don't mind helping people find the right place for what they need.
  78. # [01:10] <@fr0zenice> code_coyote: your suggestion seems pretty complicated to me :) saving the toggled state per section in a cookie and looking at tags, it can get pretty cluttered; articles shouldn't have long/ugly lists per default though (there was already some discussion about this, I think)
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  81. # [01:17] <@Garbee-Mobile> Well, I'm off of here. I will deal with reading over all the new bug reports tomorrow. This reading while driving is killing me.
  82. # [01:17] <@Garbee-Mobile> peterlubbers: I hope everything goes well over there. Have fun guys/gals.
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  87. # [01:21] <peterlubbers> Thanks Garbee, yes we got quite a bit done
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  98. # [01:50] <TomV-SanFrancisc> thanks all! G'day!
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  263. # [15:16] <@Garbee> fr0zenice, Thanks for keeping on top of duplicate bugs yesterday.
  264. # [15:16] <@fr0zenice> np :)
  265. # [15:17] <@fr0zenice> that bug genie thing is pretty customizable
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  268. # [15:42] <@Garbee> fr0zenice, Oh hell yea.
  269. # [15:42] <@Garbee> You don't even know half of what I'm thinking we could do with that thing.
  270. # [15:43] <@Garbee> It seems though I'm going to have some comment lovers who love the current system trying to fight centralizing though. :(
  271. # [15:43] <@fr0zenice> ^^ can get pretty complex, but nothing we couldn't handle!
  272. # [15:43] <@Garbee> Complex is just initially, after that is is pure maintenance and addition.
  273. # [15:43] <@Garbee> I already have basically a full workup in my head of how it will be configured though.
  274. # [15:44] <@Garbee> My only complaint is the forced Wiki links.
  275. # [15:44] <@Garbee> We simply don't need them in the tracker.
  276. # [15:44] <@Garbee> That is one thing to put up with though to get a centralized area for this stuff. The workflows built in are going to be awesome too.
  277. # [15:45] <@fr0zenice> there's an option to turn CamelCased links off
  278. # [15:45] <@Garbee> I know.
  279. # [15:45] <@Garbee> I already have in my dev area.
  280. # [15:46] <@Garbee> That isn't the issue though.
  281. # [15:46] <@Garbee> It is the actual links that are on the project listing.
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  298. # [17:28] <@Garbee> fr0zenice, Do you have an IRC log from yesterday? I apparently didn't get it logged.
  299. # [17:29] <@fr0zenice> I can copy my log
  300. # [17:29] <@Garbee> That would be epic.
  301. # [17:30] <@fr0zenice> let's see where it starts...
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  303. # [17:39] <@Garbee> fr0zenice, What is your time zone?
  304. # [17:39] <@fr0zenice> Garbee: https://frozenice.de/share/d/e460027542399915eb031128fe5c5945f961fb44/Log.txt
  305. # [17:39] <@fr0zenice> the one of Germany :) currently CET I guess
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  307. # [17:41] <@Garbee> fr0zenice, Much appreciated!
  308. # [17:41] <@fr0zenice> np
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  318. # [18:25] <@Garbee> fr0zenice, I just saw someone in the logs asking about merge/delete flags. tmk we are still writing up specifics on that.
  319. # [18:26] <@Garbee> It was brought up in a telcon but I can't recall exactly what was said on it.
  320. # [18:33] <@fr0zenice> right, the manual was a bit confusing
  321. # [18:34] <@Garbee> We need to fill those flags information in.
  322. # [18:34] <@Garbee> I think they have it somewhere under WPD, but the actual flag links don't go there.
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  324. # [18:40] <tcd> hey all
  325. # [18:40] <tcd> just wondering, is the source code for the site going to be published on github?
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  328. # [18:41] <@fr0zenice> tcd: it's planned
  329. # [18:41] <@Garbee> Not on GitHub tmk.
  330. # [18:41] <@Garbee> A gerrit install somewhere.
  331. # [18:42] <@Garbee> It is mainly a Wordpress, MediaWiki, and Question2Answer install.
  332. # [18:43] <tcd> awesome
  333. # [18:43] <@Garbee> I'm not sure how much they are going to put up though.
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  335. # [18:43] <@fr0zenice> idk, but would be reasonable to tie it into github somehow
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  337. # [18:44] <@Garbee> It may or may not get cloned to Github.
  338. # [18:44] <@Garbee> Don't know exactly yet how that will go.
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  340. # [18:45] <@Garbee> But from the talk going on it is for sure getting in Gerrit for the main contribution area.
  341. # [18:45] <@fr0zenice> I guess we'll see :) Doug wanted to claim the webplatform user on github iirc
  342. # [18:45] <@Garbee> I wanted us to do that.
  343. # [18:45] <@Garbee> I asked them if they could look into claiming it since that user account seems unused.
  344. # [18:46] <@fr0zenice> yeah and I think he wanted to
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  346. # [18:48] <tcd> I asked because there are some images from jQuery UI missing
  347. # [18:48] <tcd> the dialogue boxes are missing the "X" button
  348. # [18:48] <@Garbee> tcd, Do you have a link to a page that will create an example?
  349. # [18:49] <@Garbee> If I can confirm then I will make a bug report for it.
  350. # [18:49] <tcd> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/javascript
  351. # [18:49] <tcd> On my version of Chrome (Version 22.0.1229.96 m), when I click on the comments link, the dialogue box pops up with no "X" button.
  352. # [18:49] <@Garbee> I get an X.
  353. # [18:50] <tcd> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/images/ui-bg_glass_75_dadada_1x400.png
  354. # [18:50] <tcd> does that link work for you?
  355. # [18:51] <@Garbee> No but it isn't going to, the wiki system is overriding the URL call.
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  358. # [18:52] <@Garbee> This is the link for the images there: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/resources/jquery.ui/themes/default/images/ui-icons_454545_256x240.png?2012-08-05T20:53:20Z
  359. # [18:52] <@Garbee> tcd, Could you screenshot the area you are looking for an X in to show us?
  360. # [18:52] <tcd> was going to ask if that would be useful
  361. # [18:53] <tcd> will do now
  362. # [18:53] <@Garbee> If it is the X to close the comment box then it should be there in all browsers, at least it is for me with all updates to them.
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  364. # [18:54] <tcd> http://i.imgur.com/3mxmp.png
  365. # [18:54] <tcd> ah, it's there now
  366. # [18:54] <tcd> think it's a plugin causing the issues
  367. # [18:54] <@Garbee> Yea, isolated issue.
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  372. # [19:05] <tcd> this URL 404's: http://docs.webplatform.org/w/images/c/c8/cc-by-sa-small-wpd.png
  373. # [19:06] <@Garbee> Where is that linked to from?
  374. # [19:07] <tcd> I was on http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/programming/javascript/functions
  375. # [19:07] <tcd> at the very bottom of the page
  376. # [19:07] <@Garbee> I don't need to know where, just what page to check my console for.
  377. # [19:08] <@Garbee> Well, where for this.
  378. # [19:08] <@Garbee> Confirmed, filing a bug.
  379. # [19:09] <@Garbee> Oh, that is from the CC-BY-SA imported content.
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  382. # [19:12] <@Garbee> Bug filed.
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  384. # [19:14] <tcd> thanks
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  401. # [20:02] <@Garbee> fr0zenice, Are you still around?
  402. # [20:02] <@fr0zenice> yes!
  403. # [20:02] <@Garbee> If I make an account on the bug genie test area you setup, do you mind if I reconfigure that for a real demo compared to setting up my own?
  404. # [20:03] <@fr0zenice> nope, go ahead!
  405. # [20:03] <@Garbee> You would need to make my account an admin so I'd have the right access.
  406. # [20:03] <@fr0zenice> you can use the existing one, too
  407. # [20:03] <@Garbee> Oh, that one has full admin privs?
  408. # [20:03] <@fr0zenice> sure
  409. # [20:03] <@Garbee> Oh, I see. It is two different accounts. One for admin one for normal users.
  410. # [20:04] <@fr0zenice> exactly :)
  411. # [20:04] <@Garbee> I will just uset he one already done then.
  412. # [20:04] <@Garbee> Thanks for setting this up.
  413. # [20:04] <@fr0zenice> np
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  415. # [20:14] <@Garbee> I'm working on a few different things today, so getting that up will take me a while.
  416. # [20:15] <@fr0zenice> good thing there's no reset timer ;)
  417. # [20:15] <@Garbee> hehe yea. I think their demo has one.
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