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  157. # [09:08] <@ravenzz> morning
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  166. # [09:35] <@desbenoit> Bonjour arkhi
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  172. # [09:44] <@arkhi> oi oi oi desbenoit
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  226. # [13:19] <@chrismills> Hi all
  227. # [13:20] <@chrismills> I am about to start creating a critical tasks pipeline, with the most critical things that need fixing documented on there, with timing approximations and people responsible for doing so.
  228. # [13:20] <@chrismills> Can you let me know what you think needs fixing on webplatform.org the most? ;-)
  229. # [13:20] <@chrismills> I know there is quite a lot
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  233. # [13:30] <@arkhi> doh chrismills…
  234. # [13:30] <@chrismills> arkhi hi there ;-)
  235. # [13:30] <@arkhi> As a user, I would like to see code examples, but that’s probably not critical.
  236. # [13:30] <@chrismills> ok
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  238. # [13:33] <@arkhi> I think the most common feedback I read here was: "What is this thing about? Why do you create yet another documentation about Standards?"
  239. # [13:34] <@arkhi> Which means the original purpose is not super clear.
  240. # [13:34] <@arkhi> Clearly stating the origins of the content and the evolution of other documentations like MDN or MSDN would probably help.
  241. # [13:36] <@chrismills> thanks arkhi for the input
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  253. # [14:11] <@Garbee> arkhi, There are actually open bugs that would hopefully make things clearer. Still haven't been done yet.
  254. # [14:11] <@Garbee> chrismills, I'm partial to getting the Beginners section improved. Mainly since that is the content I'm actively working on.
  255. # [14:12] <@chrismills> Thanks Garbee - I'll put that down on the list
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  258. # [14:14] <@Garbee> I'm actually hoping since I'm not focusing on the project managment software stuff for a few days I can finish my main outline for the new stuff and then ask for thoughts on that.
  259. # [14:15] <@Garbee> In the mean time I really think the concepts sections of the site should be a big focus. We need to get the articles in the proper URL scheme and update them.
  260. # [14:16] <@Garbee> Things like HTML Text are under /guides/html_text when it should be under /html/concepts/text.
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  263. # [14:16] <@chrismills> yup, definitely
  264. # [14:17] <@chrismills> That's definitely going on the new roadmap
  265. # [14:17] <@Garbee> I actually have open reports on that stuff actually. Removing the HTML 4 content and getting that content in order.
  266. # [14:17] <@chrismills> right
  267. # [14:17] <@Garbee> I had done a complete rewrite of the page actually, but dumped it since I realized I was doing a concept the wrong way and doing it more tutorial like.
  268. # [14:18] <@chrismills> is there loads of HTML4 content? I updated all the opera web standards curriculum stuff to HTML5...
  269. # [14:18] <@chrismills> or are you taling about kicking that stuff over to tutorials, and completely rewriting the actual concept stuff?
  270. # [14:18] <@Garbee> Not really *loads* but there is a lot of talking I'm seeing in the content about what changed between HTML4 and 5.
  271. # [14:19] <@chrismills> right
  272. # [14:19] <@Garbee> I think saying what changed is just cruft.
  273. # [14:19] <@Garbee> We need a specific section of what changed for those that want to know.
  274. # [14:19] <@chrismills> i think it is useful to some people; put that stuff in a separate article
  275. # [14:19] <@chrismills> ah, snap ;-)
  276. # [14:19] <@Garbee> Also for the Roadmap, we need to really work on the Editor's Guide. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Editors_Guide Something I started to try and centralize all information editors need in a single area.
  277. # [14:21] <@chrismills> ok, I'll put this on as well.
  278. # [14:21] <@Garbee> The Style Guide covers a lot of it right now. But, I think making a few articles under the Editor's Guide to go in detail on things would be easier to upkeep overall and probably easier for most people to understand than digging through a few pages to find the information they need.
  279. # [14:21] <@Garbee> Then the style guide could be made to be exactly more style of writing as well.
  280. # [14:21] <@chrismills> yup agreed. It needs to be made more central
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  282. # [14:22] <@Garbee> Oh, and on the tutorials and rewriting and all... We just need to get the URL's proper for the concepts and update their information so it isn't referencing HTML4 so much. No need to completely rewrite it. But, the beginners guide itself is due for a full rewrite.
  283. # [14:23] <@Garbee> *I* had gone through and rewrote one to see if what I was thinking would be better. But, I didn't fully understand writing concept material so it was actually a bad rewrite.
  284. # [14:23] <@chrismills> well, at the moment the beginners guide is just links to bits of the tutorials and guides, so they need to be kept to their purpose, and the beginner's guide needs to be more tailored
  285. # [14:24] <@chrismills> I am still struggling with concepts versus tutorials
  286. # [14:24] <@chrismills> I think some topics just lend themselves better to theoretical concept articles
  287. # [14:24] <@chrismills> and some better to practical tutorials
  288. # [14:24] <@Garbee> I think I can help with understanding the difference.
  289. # [14:25] <@Garbee> Tutorial is showing a step sequence to achieve an end goal. Like what we need a few things for in the beginners guide.
  290. # [14:25] <@Garbee> Exact steps to get an end result. They help people learn in a more real-world way what things do.
  291. # [14:25] <@Garbee> Concepts are more abstract. There is no real end goal, but giving a place for good reference of a topic.
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  293. # [14:27] <@Garbee> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/guides/html_text --- Pretty nice example of what a concept should be. Content not really updated yet though and perhaps format could use some work.
  294. # [14:27] <@Garbee> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/guides/html_lists --- The second half of this page, is a great tutorial. It is actually one page that needs to be cut into two. The first half is a great concept, but the second half is pure tutorial.
  295. # [14:30] <@Garbee> At least that is what I have come to see as the difference between them.
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  297. # [14:32] <@chrismills> I that sounds pretty rasonable, and what I have come to expect
  298. # [14:32] <@chrismills> reasonable*
  299. # [14:33] <@chrismills> but when do we use concepts, and when do we use tutorials?
  300. # [14:33] <@chrismills> this is what I have an issue with
  301. # [14:33] <@chrismills> we surely don't need a concept article, and a tutorial, on each subject
  302. # [14:33] <@chrismills> that would be largely repetitious
  303. # [14:34] <@chrismills> many subjects seem to lend themselves well to having a concept section, followed by a tutorial
  304. # [14:34] <@Garbee> I think we should do mostly concept pages. Have something like HTML Text to explain most (if not all) of the ways to markup text and what the markup means. Then do tutorials in specific places (like a beginners guide) to actually do teaching.
  305. # [14:35] <@chrismills> so maybe for practical subjects, such as HTML lists, we should have two articles, a concept article, which then leads on to a tutorial as a practical exercise?
  306. # [14:35] <@arkhi> A concept explain the logic…
  307. # [14:35] <@arkhi> A tutorial is a step by step process that leads to a result.
  308. # [14:35] <@chrismills> yup
  309. # [14:35] <@arkhi> That’s how I would seprarate both, don’t know if that’s accurate enough?
  310. # [14:35] <@chrismills> works for me
  311. # [14:36] <@Garbee> arkhi, It is easily separated.
  312. # [14:36] <@Garbee> You try not to go into all the detail of an element in a tutorial, just cover what is needed for that tuorial. Then explain you can go to the concept page for more information on it.
  313. # [14:36] <@Garbee> Things like UL area great example.
  314. # [14:36] <@arkhi> Tutorial:
  315. # [14:36] <@arkhi> 1. Here’s what you’ll get at the end
  316. # [14:36] <@arkhi> 2. Process teaching the topic
  317. # [14:36] <@arkhi> 3. Result as explained in 1.
  318. # [14:37] <@chrismills> I think it would be best to present both tutorials and concepts in the same list for practical tech stuff like HTML, but also make the articles standalone so they work well separately too
  319. # [14:37] <@Garbee> The UL has tons of things it can do. We can have a concept explain what the UL, but then multiple tutorials on the many things they can do in web design.
  320. # [14:38] <@chrismills> So for this example, we could have HTML list concepts, or just "HTML lists" as a concept article
  321. # [14:38] <@Garbee> Let me actually take the HTML Lists guide as it is and break it up for an actual example.
  322. # [14:39] <@chrismills> then have tutorials for "Creating bulleted and numbered lists", "creating a horizontal/vertical navigation menu", "creating an expanding/collapsing tree nevigation", etc
  323. # [14:39] <@Garbee> Yup, that is exactly what I'm getting it.
  324. # [14:40] <@chrismills> So concepts are the kind of core or nucleus for each subject, and tutorials are satellites around that core concept?
  325. # [14:40] <@chrismills> does this make sense?
  326. # [14:40] <@Garbee> Well, The only thing I see with that is we could have many "Creating horizontal/vertical nav menu" tutorials. So we need a way to separate between elements/css styles used.
  327. # [14:41] <@chrismills> then reference material is different again - that just stands on it's own, as dry lookup material
  328. # [14:41] <@Garbee> I don't think satellite is really a good term for it. They are simply companion peices to understand the concept better by giving a target to work for using that concept.
  329. # [14:41] <@chrismills> Garbee: ok - companion is ok terminology by me
  330. # [14:42] <@arkhi> :)
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  332. # [14:42] <@chrismills> but surely treating the concept article as the central aspect would make sense?
  333. # [14:42] <@Garbee> I just think satellite means that you need to go through the core peice (concept in this case) but our tutorials should stand on their own so you never really need to go back to the concept to fully understand the tutorial.
  334. # [14:44] <@chrismills> weeeell, the tutorials wouldn't explain all the concepts. You could work through the tutorials successfully and understand the mechanical process involved without reading the concept article, but you would need to concept article to get a full understanding of all the underlying concepts?
  335. # [14:44] <@Garbee> Yes. Tutorials focus on mechanics of the element. That makes good sense to me.
  336. # [14:45] <@chrismills> ok, cool. How shall we split this work? Are you happy to work on splitting up the HTML list material?
  337. # [14:45] <@chrismills> And I will write a document explaining this desired future direction for the tutorial/concept material?
  338. # [14:45] <@chrismills> Of course, I can do both if you like
  339. # [14:46] <@chrismills> I appreciate you are busy working on the bugtracker concepts
  340. # [14:46] <@Garbee> Yea, It is really easy. Whomever originally wrote it basically made the first half a really good concept and the second half is a full tutorial. Only some pretty minor stuff will need changing up front to make ti workable.
  341. # [14:46] <@chrismills> It was Ben Buchanan, from Australia (worked for atlassian, last I heard)
  342. # [14:46] <@Garbee> I can have the HTML lists split up today. I will also move them into a hopefully apropriate URL.
  343. # [14:46] <@chrismills> really good guy
  344. # [14:47] <@chrismills> awesome - then I will get on and write a document explaining the future direction
  345. # [14:47] <@Garbee> Please do write a guide explaining the differences in content types. I think WPD:Editors_Guide/Content_Types would be a good place for it.
  346. # [14:47] <@chrismills> Cool - I'll put it there, and then send it around the list.
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  348. # [14:49] <@chrismills> do these pages not exist yet?
  349. # [14:49] <@chrismills> Garbee: just checking… ;-)
  350. # [14:49] <@Garbee> For the editors guide no.
  351. # [14:49] <@Garbee> Just the root page does.
  352. # [14:49] <@chrismills> ok, cool
  353. # [14:50] <@Garbee> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Editors_Guide
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  355. # [14:50] <@Garbee> Really most of it was copied in from the Getting Started Guide.
  356. # [14:50] <@Garbee> Just to use as some base padding of content while more detailed articles were worked out.
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  358. # [14:51] <@chrismills> good idea
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  360. # [14:52] <@Garbee> I think we have three major issues to people editing at the moment. 1) The sessions suck. Constantly dropping with very little time to actually make an edit. 2) All the information for people who *want* to edit is kinda buried. Editors Guide will help editors find exactly what they need quickly. 3) People want an end goal most of the time. And we haven't been upkeeping the Most Wanted Taks list.
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  362. # [14:54] <@Garbee> I think once we list the goals (roadmaps) and give people the information for making proper edits (editors guide) we can hopefully foster more editing. But Session issues just suck for anyone trying to do so. Tomato and Myself haven't actually edited as much in the docs for a while because of it.
  363. # [14:54] <@Garbee> Having to login 3 or 4 times to fix one broken link or a grammar fix is just not a good use of time.
  364. # [14:58] <julee> Hi, Garbee. That's been a challenge for me as well. Do you know of a bug number for that?
  365. # [14:58] <@chrismills> Garbee: Yup, taylor dropped me an e-mail about this the other day!
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  367. # [14:59] <@chrismills> should definitely be sorted, asap
  368. # [14:59] <@chrismills> Hi julee!
  369. # [14:59] <@chrismills> I'll try to come along to the content meeting later on
  370. # [14:59] <julee> :-)
  371. # [14:59] <julee> Oh good!
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  373. # [14:59] <@chrismills> are you happy to run those meetings and things at the moment?
  374. # [15:00] <julee> No problem.
  375. # [15:00] <@chrismills> I'm happy to help with the content TF as and when it's needed
  376. # [15:00] <@Garbee> julee, https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19390
  377. # [15:00] <@Garbee> The only blocker.
  378. # [15:01] <@Garbee> I combined *a lot* of bugs into that one. There are plenty if issues all stemming from the sessions messing up.
  379. # [15:01] <@chrismills> nice work
  380. # [15:02] <@chrismills> BTW, I'm planning on putting the Roadmap page at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Task_Roadmap
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  382. # [15:02] <@Garbee> Well, four other bugs. But I also stopped some people from reporting it too when they asked about bug tracking in here.
  383. # [15:03] <@Garbee> That URL looks fine to me for it.
  384. # [15:03] <@Garbee> ^^Roadmap URL.
  385. # [15:03] <julee> christmills: so looking forward to a task roadmap. Let's knock these out!
  386. # [15:03] <@chrismills> yup, we really need it
  387. # [15:03] <@Garbee> There was one page that was made for us to track what people are doing. I haven't seen it since it was made. :P
  388. # [15:04] <@Garbee> I think we just tried to have too many areas to track early on for some reason. Bugzilla is actually pretty nice for us to track content edits like that.
  389. # [15:04] <@chrismills> julee for the moment, I think i'll aim to get that sorted and start working on getting things done from a high level perspective, leaving others to get on with more low level edits
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  391. # [15:04] <@chrismills> (when they can stay logged in, of course!)
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  393. # [15:05] <julee> Sounds perfect for a roadmap.
  394. # [15:05] <@chrismills> Garbee: I find bugzilla really hard to use, I need something a bit more visual
  395. # [15:06] <@Garbee> Yea, The UX is horrible on BZ. BUT, I could honestly make it work for all project management pretty much. It would just be painful to look at.
  396. # [15:06] <@Garbee> I'd *rather* find some software that is easier to install and can do what we need.
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  399. # [15:07] <julee> Garbee: Seems like something's changed since the bug was opened. I have to re-login each and every time I make an edit. Is there some way to indicate that this is more critical?
  400. # [15:07] <@Garbee> I can tell you one thing, if people want to help code extensions and modifications, it shouldn't be as difficult as BZ to install. If *I* had that much trouble getting it going (which I never actually did do) then I don't want to ask others to do it.
  401. # [15:07] <@Garbee> julee, Nope, P1 and Blocker level are the highest possible.
  402. # [15:07] <@Garbee> That is why I'm honestly pissed that it is even still open 2 months later.
  403. # [15:08] <@chrismills> Yeah, it is a bit ridiculous. I'll be doing everything in my power going forward to try to get things sorted
  404. # [15:08] <@Garbee> I understand the system is wacky and people had other things going on (like vacation.) But having no real work on any work being done towards it is also just unacceptable.
  405. # [15:09] <@Garbee> People had vacations, conferences, ofc other work, etc. all going on. But there should be some word by now as to what is being done on a *blocker* level bug.
  406. # [15:10] <julee> I hear ya.
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  408. # [15:11] <@Garbee> chrismills, Epic idea!
  409. # [15:12] <@Garbee> We should make the beginner URL really a repository of links to useful tutorials and concepts around the Docs.
  410. # [15:12] <@Garbee> With a few specially tailored tutorials like the one I have been outlining.
  411. # [15:12] <@Garbee> Thank you for thinking of that.
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  413. # [15:16] <@chrismills> chrismills: i think it should be mostly custom tailored material, but with links to regular tutorials/concepts for more info
  414. # [15:16] <@chrismills> Garbee, I mean … I'm chrismills ;-)
  415. # [15:17] <julee> ;-)
  416. # [15:17] <@Garbee> Yea, custom tailored stuff with a section at the bottom with what would be the most helpful concepts to go through.
  417. # [15:18] <julee> chrismills & Garbee: are there pages you think are exemplary? (I'm looking for one concept page, one tut, one ref.)
  418. # [15:18] * @Garbee has not seen any really good pages.
  419. # [15:18] <@Garbee> Most need updating and to be looked over for accuracy as well.
  420. # [15:18] <@chrismills> julee - let me dig some up
  421. # [15:19] <@Garbee> Yea, chris can see the high quality ones better than I. I find all the flaws and ignore the good stuff. :D
  422. # [15:20] <@chrismills> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/internet_and_web/the_history_of_the_web is a fairly good bit of concept writing, although it's more about history
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  424. # [15:20] <julee> yeah, that's a good one.
  425. # [15:21] <@chrismills> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/guides/doctypes_and_markup_styles ?
  426. # [15:21] <@chrismills> I wrote that one, so be nice ;-)
  427. # [15:21] <@chrismills> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/guides/html_validation ?
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  430. # [15:22] <@chrismills> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/guides/html_lists contains a really nice tutorial, from "Step by step example" onwards
  431. # [15:23] <julee> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/guides/doctypes_and_markup_styles is perfect! ...except there's a compatibility table. That's part of the concepts-page template?
  432. # [15:23] <@Garbee> I think after the holidays we need to talk about getting a group to go over move and delete flags and decide on those.
  433. # [15:24] <@Garbee> chrismills, That is actually exactly where I split it. ;)
  434. # [15:24] <@chrismills> julee - hmmm, not sure that should be there, TBH
  435. # [15:24] <@chrismills> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/using_selectors has some nice tutorials in it as well
  436. # [15:25] <@Garbee> Ok, let's see how many logins it takes me to flag this page...
  437. # [15:26] <@Garbee> Wow, only one.
  438. # [15:26] <@Garbee> That is surprising.
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  440. # [15:29] <@chrismills> Garbee: I've started editing my Roadmap page offline, as I am so sick of being logged out all the time
  441. # [15:30] <julee> Thanks, chrismills. I like having "Exercise questions" sections in http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/tutorials/using_selectors.
  442. # [15:30] <@Garbee> chris, That is how I'm doing most of my edits.
  443. # [15:30] <@Garbee> I do it offline and copy it in real fast.
  444. # [15:31] <@chrismills> julee - yeah, the exercise questions were a thing we did on the Opera web standards curriculum articles. I'd be in favour of having them in all articles
  445. # [15:31] <@chrismills> but I suppose we need to get agreement on that, and work out if we are going to have them in all concepts and tutorials, or just concepts?
  446. # [15:31] <@chrismills> It seems a bit strange to have them at the end of tutorials
  447. # [15:31] <@Garbee> Not all. Concepts and Tutorials they do make sense. But plain reference material...?
  448. # [15:32] <@chrismills> Also, we are planning on expanding the scope of the site later on to include proper educational material sections
  449. # [15:32] <@chrismills> do we just leave them out of regular concepts/tutorials and point those articles to related groups of exam questions on separate pages?
  450. # [15:33] <@chrismills> that would perhaps be a bit less repetitious and more usable
  451. # [15:33] <@Garbee> Ok, so for the *main* docs if we are going to do EDU specific stuff later I'd say leave them out completely. *But* the tutorials that are built to the beginners guide should have some.
  452. # [15:33] <@chrismills> if you think about it, the exercise questions you would find at the end of a lists concept article and a lists tutorial might eb very similar
  453. # [15:33] <@chrismills> be*
  454. # [15:34] <@chrismills> better to split the questions out to a separate exam or quiz page and link them?
  455. # [15:34] <@Garbee> Yea. I think having separate quiz/exam areas would be best.
  456. # [15:34] <@Garbee> Once again, except for beginners guide. I think having a few inline things there can help some. We can figure that out though once the content is actually being made in full.
  457. # [15:36] <julee> makes sense.
  458. # [15:36] <@Garbee> I think people *just* starting can get use out of inline questions focusing on what they just read. Elsewhere it makes sense to out that content to a central area so it can be referenced in many places *and* does not get in the way of those that really don't care.
  459. # [15:37] <@chrismills> so maybe have inline questions just on the beginner's articles?
  460. # [15:38] <@Garbee> Exactly what I was thinking.
  461. # [15:38] <@chrismills> Hmmm, worth documenting somewhere. I'll add it to my neverending to do list ;-)
  462. # [15:38] <julee> yes, to let them know it's as much about doing as reading...
  463. # [15:38] <@chrismills> aye, sounds good. I'll write these thoughts up somewhere
  464. # [15:38] <@Garbee> I will throw a note on it into the editors Guide real quick. We can organize it into a specific area later.
  465. # [15:39] <julee> perfect.
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  468. # [15:40] <@Garbee> chrismills, Should we simply remove the questions completely now and later on just make new questions for the EDU section? I think finding the questions in the diff log could be crazy later on.
  469. # [15:41] <@Garbee> I'm not sure if there is an easy subtle way to stash that content for reference later. Outside of asking anyone who does remove them to give it a specific edit Summary.
  470. # [15:41] <@chrismills> let's leave them for now
  471. # [15:43] <@Garbee> I'm thinking we could use an actual forum. Use it as an idea bin. As we are talking about this stuff here, we could make a post in there and then discussion on it could continue.
  472. # [15:44] <@Garbee> That way it isn't like we each have a list that no one else sees (or can remember in my case.)
  473. # [15:46] <julee> Garbee: in the http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/ area?
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  475. # [15:47] <@Garbee> Well, if we made a category for it then that could work.
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  477. # [15:47] <julee> chrismills: when the tasks roadmap is populated, will that be a good place for the content TF to pull its priorities?
  478. # [15:47] <@Garbee> The thing is we shouldn't mix it in with all the normal questions if we use that system.
  479. # [15:47] <@chrismills> julee yes
  480. # [15:48] <julee> chrismills: thanks.
  481. # [15:49] <@Garbee> chrismills, Should we say Roadmapping is something we should look into with a PM solution? Basically as one thing to do with tracking content edits.
  482. # [15:49] <julee> Garbee: I wasn't proposing, I was just wondering where an ideas bin would live.
  483. # [15:49] <@chrismills> it is a solution for our PM problems, if that's what you mean ;-)
  484. # [15:50] <@Garbee> julee, yea. I honestly don't see the Question 2 Answer system as ideal for an idea bin. Really the bug tracker on W3 makes the most sense right now for it.
  485. # [15:51] <@Garbee> I actually think using that for it would be perfect until we figure out a long-term solution.
  486. # [15:54] <julee> Garbee: bugzilla makes sense to me. Wondering if there's a way to call it out as a content issue. Maybe just call it out on public-wp list? Or prepend subject with [content arch]? Some way to let editors know it's not an infrastructure bug.
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  488. # [15:57] <@Garbee> The content section...
  489. # [15:57] <@Garbee> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=webplatform.org&component=content&resolution=---&list_id=2496
  490. # [15:58] <@Garbee> Right in there with something like [IA] or [CO] (Information Architecture or Content Organization).
  491. # [15:58] <@Garbee> ^^as the first thing in the title.
  492. # [15:59] <@Garbee> We do have an IA section actually, so things could go in there as well if it is strict IA.
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  495. # [15:59] <@Garbee> I think though putting it under Content with an IA or CO tag is best since it is more about actually getting the content to fit the IA rather than an issue with the IA itself.
  496. # [16:01] <lampe2> hey iam looking for a good tutorial for javascript and ajax backcalls does someone got a good tipp?
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  498. # [16:03] <@ravenzz> lampe2 http://eloquentjavascript.net/
  499. # [16:04] <lampe2> ravenzz: thx i will look into it :)
  500. # [16:04] <@ravenzz> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/AJAX
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  503. # [16:07] <@Garbee> Can someone who is an admin check the Moderation filter for the Q&A? I can't get in.
  504. # [16:10] <julee> Garbee: yes to assigning & tagging the issue. I just got the feeling that people aren't seeing bugzilla as a content issue tracking system. I was wondering if there's a way to specifically call it out to editors that a content bug has been filed. Otherwise, it might not register for the editors. But we could also simply point out in the content meetings that bugs are there.
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  508. # [16:11] <@Garbee> julee, Bringing attention to it would be needed. Plus we would need to work out a nice tagging system if things get messy, but I think we can keep it clean overall.
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  510. # [16:12] <julee> Garbee: thanks.
  511. # [16:12] <@Garbee> I would really like to eventually have report templates though. One thing I have on my list to do is write a bug submission guidelines.
  512. # [16:12] <@Garbee> Let me actually make a report for that now. Will try to make it an example of how content requests should be filed.
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  515. # [16:15] <julee> Garbee: great.
  516. # [16:16] <@Garbee> I actually saw a great presentation on making good bug reports. I planned to borrow (mostly steal) those thoughts. ;)
  517. # [16:17] <julee> Garbee: took a couple of times, but got into moderation filter. nothing waiting for approval.
  518. # [16:18] <@Garbee> Cool. I have been trying since I woke up and still haven't had sessions work right for me today in the Q&A.
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