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  80. # [03:06] <@arkhi> Hello
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  92. # [03:53] <moiph> not very chatty in here and this is web related and amusing so http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD9FAOPBiDk
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  197. # [09:42] <auchenberg> Morning. I got a few problems with the Notifications API in Chrome. Anyone else having this? http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=163226
  198. # [09:43] <@Garbee> auchenberg, #chromium-support would be the place to ask that.
  199. # [09:44] <auchenberg> Garbee: Thanks. I was more thinking if there was a few ones who had been working on W3C Notification spec around here :)
  200. # [09:44] <@Garbee> It looks pretty specific to a new build removing a feature.
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  202. # [09:45] <@Garbee> Yea. It looks like the standard is there but something happened which made those parts of the spec break in the latest. Not sure if it is because of a spec change in a working group or just a regression.
  203. # [09:45] <mike5w3c> there has been no recent spec change
  204. # [09:46] <mike5w3c> that's one of my groups
  205. # [09:46] <@Garbee> Ok, so it just looks like a normal regression then to me.
  206. # [09:46] <mike5w3c> which by the way we are going to shut down unless somebody steps forward to chair it
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  208. # [09:46] <auchenberg> Garbee: Probably. Could be me that has misunderstood the spec, that I read it as Notification.permission should be static. So it must be a regression in Chrome.
  209. # [09:46] <auchenberg> mike5w3c: Roger.
  210. # [09:48] <mike5w3c> auchenberg: about the spec-related question, I suggest posting that to the public-web-notification@w3.org mailing list
  211. # [09:48] <mike5w3c> you don't need to be a subscriber
  212. # [09:48] <mike5w3c> but if you're not you will just get a message asking you to approve the archiving of it in our mail archive
  213. # [09:49] <auchenberg> mike5w3c: I'll try. The implementations of Notification API seems quite messy. Chrome especially.
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  215. # [09:50] <mike5w3c> how so?
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  217. # [09:50] <mike5w3c> btw I agree with you that .permission should be static
  218. # [09:50] <mike5w3c> per the spec
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  221. # [09:52] <auchenberg> mike5w3c: Chrome mainly supports the older spec with a webkit-prefix Notification (old api: checkPermission, createNotification), but since Chrome 21 they implemented window.Notification (as pr. W3C spec), but flawed.
  222. # [09:53] <mike5w3c> ok
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  226. # [09:54] <auchenberg> Ex: Calling Notification.requestPermission() has caused crashes since Chrome 20 (http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=139594), which makes it pretty damn hard to write clean code.
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  231. # [10:20] <mike5w3c> auchenberg: well, that's pretty ridiculous
  232. # [10:20] <mike5w3c> if it's still causing crashes
  233. # [10:20] <mike5w3c> you don't leave crashing bugs unfixed for that long
  234. # [10:21] <mike5w3c> wow
  235. # [10:21] <auchenberg> mike5w3c: It does. It seems like the chrome-team has abandoned the Notification API,
  236. # [10:21] <mike5w3c> and it's in the V8 code
  237. # [10:21] <mike5w3c> no they haven't abandoned it
  238. # [10:21] <mike5w3c> I know the people in the Chrome team who implemented it
  239. # [10:21] <mike5w3c> and they are very much interested in continuing to support it
  240. # [10:22] <mike5w3c> but they can't fix bugs in the V8 code
  241. # [10:22] <mike5w3c> nobody can except the small team that works on that code
  242. # [10:22] <mike5w3c> which keep to themselves
  243. # [10:22] <mike5w3c> well of course somebody could fix it for them
  244. # [10:22] <mike5w3c> and send a patch
  245. # [10:23] <mike5w3c> I've landed a patch in that code
  246. # [10:23] <mike5w3c> but it's fairly rare
  247. # [10:23] <auchenberg> mike5w3c: That's true. Sadly I'm not a C++ guy. I just want to raise flag, so we can Notifications working in the wild.
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  250. # [10:25] <mike5w3c> ok reading more i see the thing that's exposed the V8 bug is something that's wrong in the binding code for Notification.requestPermission
  251. # [10:25] <mike5w3c> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=139594#c8
  252. # [10:25] <mike5w3c> so if they fix that, they won't run into the V8 bug
  253. # [10:25] <mike5w3c> but they should still fix the bug in the V8 code
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  327. # [16:26] <@Garbee> I just noticed that in GitHub's wiki system you can chose what markup language you use to input data. We should be able to figure this out.
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  329. # [16:28] <@chrismills> Garbee: oh, cool
  330. # [16:29] <@Garbee> Well, I say that (mediawiki markup is even a choice in their system), but they are running a custom system and we are on MediaWiki... That can complicate things.
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  338. # [16:54] <@Garbee> Why do people like this markdown so much? I can't nest ULs easily in it (if it is even possible.)
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  341. # [16:59] <odinho> Garbee: Then you can fall back to HTML :)
  342. # [17:01] <@Garbee> odinho, Nah, I chose wikimedia markup. Still, if doing one thing in one markup is possible but not in another then doing a switch between them is going to be interesting to do.
  343. # [17:02] <@shepazu> Garbee: what do you mean, can't nest ULs easily?
  344. # [17:02] <@Garbee> Well, Doing ** does not work, and I'm not finding any docs on how to do it in Markdown.
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  346. # [17:04] <@Garbee> This isn't really WPD related except for the fact that we are thinking about doing a markup selector.
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  348. # [17:04] <@shepazu> Garbee: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Style_Guide/Lists
  349. # [17:04] <@Garbee> Looks like you need to space any sub-lists.
  350. # [17:04] <@Garbee> shepazu, Yea, that is MediaWiki, not markdown.
  351. # [17:05] <@shepazu> ohhhhhh
  352. # [17:05] <@shepazu> sorry, markdown.
  353. # [17:05] <@shepazu> doh.
  354. # [17:05] <odinho> It's good to space anyways, then they get paragraphs.
  355. # [17:05] <@shepazu> yeah, I don't understand the obsession with markdown either
  356. # [17:06] <@Garbee> odinho, The space is kinda pointless when multiple astericks make perfect sense to nest a UL.
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  358. # [17:06] <@shepazu> frankly, I'd prefer not to use any metasyntax… I would like to use GUI HTML editing APIs, and let people also edit raw HTML if they want
  359. # [17:06] <@Garbee> Also it is not getting a paragraph element.
  360. # [17:07] <@shepazu> hi, odinho, btw
  361. # [17:07] <odinho> shepazu: +1 -- I do HTML, -- although I sometimes do markdown, and then that becomes HTML.
  362. # [17:07] <odinho> shepazu: o'hai
  363. # [17:07] <@Garbee> yea, my thinking is lets just save it as raw HTML into the engine, then convert out of that on-the-fly to any markup languages we support.
  364. # [17:07] <@Garbee> Or, let you do it in raw if you want.
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  449. # [19:20] <@Garbee> jkomoros, You may want to check this report out. Possible template mods being discussed. https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20163
  450. # [19:21] <jkomoros> Thanks!
  451. # [19:21] <jkomoros> I'll look at that in a couple of hours
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