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  136. # [09:49] <@Garbee> Inbox = blown to hell.
  137. # [09:50] <@chrismills> Garbee: just a bit ;-)
  138. # [09:50] <@Garbee> Did I miss a storm or something where everyone was stuck inside?
  139. # [09:50] <@chrismills> I am just going to ignore most of it until I've got current tasks completed
  140. # [09:50] <@chrismills> There is so much to do that it is all seeming a bit overwhelming
  141. # [09:50] <@Garbee> Yea, well. I'm trying to keep the tracker clean so I need to go over it.
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  143. # [09:51] <@Garbee> Won't take too long though.
  144. # [09:51] <@chrismills> there was some weird guy last night who went through and set a load of bugs to target platform Windows 3.1 ;-)
  145. # [09:51] <@Garbee> Noticing.
  146. # [09:51] <@chrismills> Julee (I think) changed em back
  147. # [09:52] <@Garbee> Why would you even do that?
  148. # [09:52] <@Garbee> Yea, looks like Julee.
  149. # [09:52] <@chrismills> You look at stuff like that and you think "gee man, how helpful. thanks"
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  151. # [09:52] <@chrismills> the most ineffectual trolling ever
  152. # [09:52] <@Garbee> Somehow I doubt that is their real email address.
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  154. # [09:53] <@Garbee> figures to. It happens literally 10 minutes after I went to bed.
  155. # [09:53] <@Garbee> happend*
  156. # [09:53] <@chrismills> ;-/
  157. # [09:53] <@chrismills> weird
  158. # [09:53] <@chrismills> oh well
  159. # [09:53] <@Garbee> omg, that is seriously all it is.
  160. # [09:55] <@Garbee> Oh, he also apparently tried to remove me from being assigned on some tasks.
  161. # [09:55] <@chrismills> weird shit
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  163. # [09:57] <@chrismills> Anyway, today I am going to try to create some mockups of how the new landing pages should look
  164. # [09:57] <@chrismills> and try to move seb along in terms of creating some icons
  165. # [09:58] <@Garbee> I'm focusing on talking with Tomato on PM stuff.
  166. # [09:58] <@chrismills> cool, sounds great
  167. # [09:58] <@chrismills> the sooner we get that PM stuff moving, the better
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  169. # [09:59] <@Garbee> Well, it will be after this hiatus since everyone is apparently going to be scattered then and we aren't sure on how much communication there will be. So we will just work on a solid plan over the next few weeks and once everyone is back around after New Years propose what we have.
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  171. # [09:59] <@chrismills> cool
  172. # [09:59] <@Garbee> The thing is, I have TBG basically setup now to work with a project that is pretty much configured right and with a sub project mostly configured.
  173. # [10:00] <@Garbee> Actually... Here is the link to it. http://webplatform.jonathangarbee.com/thebuggenie
  174. # [10:01] <@Garbee> Just the Content project and the HTML sub-project are the ones mostly configured right.
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  178. # [10:09] <@Garbee> chrismills, Also as far as UX goes, I have had an idea for completely redoing the sites look. Basically taking it from this 1990's bland documentation layout into a modern-looking Web Developers HUD of sorts.
  179. # [10:11] <@Garbee> I really think a big navigation pain-point is just the look and structure of the site. It is really old-school and doing this level of docs is pretty rough with it. Rethinking about what the site should act like could help us improve navigation and usefulness of the site by loads.
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  181. # [10:11] <@chrismills> Garbee: How about we leave that till version 2.0? If we decide to completely change the UI now, we will just never get anything done. It is hard enough getting it working as it is
  182. # [10:12] <@chrismills> the actual look of the site isn't too bad at all - it's pretty good for a wiki
  183. # [10:12] <@Garbee> That is just it, for a wiki.
  184. # [10:12] <@chrismills> it is just that the landing pages are ugly and need some specific styling
  185. # [10:12] <@Garbee> This should be a documentation resource before a wiki.
  186. # [10:12] <@chrismills> I think we need to leave the overall look and feel be for now
  187. # [10:14] <@chrismills> it's clean and you can read it, which is more important for a documentation site than having something ultra modern looking
  188. # [10:14] <@chrismills> I'm also in favour of adding new navigation so that you can get to the different areas of the site more easily. That will solve a lot of problems
  189. # [10:15] <@Garbee> Yea, navigation is just as important as readability.
  190. # [10:15] <@Garbee> It doesn't matter if you can read it if you can't get there.
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  242. # [12:52] <@Garbee> I think as far as navigation we should aim to not have any page take more than 4 (maybe 5) links to get to. Even then, the more aids to make it less the better.
  243. # [12:53] <@Garbee> Breadcrumbs for one should be dynamic. Example is actually in TBG, the breadcrumbs have arrows between the nav areas, each arrow gives you a list of actions that area contains. It makes navigating around pretty fast.
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  300. # [16:30] <codylindley> Is it planned to have a DOM docs section? (i.e. along these other sections of docs, http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Main_Page)?
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  302. # [16:31] <@Garbee> I don't know about DOM specifically. There are areas within the other docs relating to it though.
  303. # [16:31] <codylindley> Can you give me an example. And maybe help me understand why the DOM would not appear along side these other specifications?
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  307. # [16:33] <@Garbee> Ah, looks like there is a root section.
  308. # [16:33] <@Garbee> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/dom
  309. # [16:34] <@Garbee> Just isn't on the homepage.
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  314. # [16:36] <codylindley> Ok, thanks. Glad to see this. Now. why would this not be linked yet?
  315. # [16:38] <@Garbee> You're guess is as good as mine.
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  318. # [16:38] <@Garbee> The homepage hasn't really been touched since launch.
  319. # [16:39] <@Garbee> Someone is looking over a change to it, so hopefully that will cover all the root level areas of the site.
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  333. # [17:02] <@chrismills> Garbee - I just got back in the house after picking my kids up from school, and saw the discussion you had with Cody
  334. # [17:02] <@chrismills> I'll get it added in to the plan
  335. # [17:02] <@chrismills> nice one
  336. # [17:03] <@Garbee> Ok. I think all root topics need to be linked to from the homepage. Otherwise it makes them difficult to find.
  337. # [17:03] <@chrismills> makes me wonder whether there aren't more top level landing pages to get added to the main page.
  338. # [17:03] <@chrismills> or root pages, should I say
  339. # [17:04] <@Garbee> I'm caught between writing a massive email to Tomato and getting a local server back online.
  340. # [17:04] <@chrismills> ok - I'll leave you be then ;-)
  341. # [17:05] <@Garbee> Sorry, I just don't really have any brainpower to spare right now. This email is all the PM stuff I'm thinking and due to my server crash the other morning I'm rushing to get something back online to do local development.
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  343. # [17:05] <@Garbee> plus I need to recover the data from the other server.
  344. # [17:05] <@chrismills> no problem mate - we all go through those kinds of crunches from time to time. Good luck with it all.
  345. # [17:06] <@Garbee> Oh, and an hour till the telcon..
  346. # [17:06] <@Garbee> So, I'll probably just break in 40 minutes or so to get ready for that. If you want we can talk then.
  347. # [17:06] <@chrismills> yup!
  348. # [17:06] <@chrismills> nice one
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  360. # [17:30] <@Garbee> Something we need to do while it just hit my mind is get IRC back on the site.
  361. # [17:31] <@Garbee> But not with the poor system we had originally. Do the best thing, and iframe freenode's webchat. We just iframe it and pass the URL a query for the channel to be pre-filled and it is done. With captcha to help stop bots and it also makes it oppable. Further, it reduces things running on our server which is a plus as well.
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  364. # [17:35] <@chrismills> Garbee: that would be good. File a bug?
  365. # [17:36] <@Garbee> Yea sure. I'll see if that idea actually goes anywhere this time.
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  367. # [17:36] <@Garbee> I don't know why but everyone seems so set on hosting it locally for no reason.
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  523. # [21:42] <@Garbee> Where is the other testing main page?
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  544. # [22:04] <@Garbee> NotTomato, You're actually the person to ask. Do you know where the other test main page on the wiki is? Chris deleted the /Test page saying there was another but I can't locate it.
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  549. # [22:11] <@fr0zenice> I don't know of any other test Main_Page
  550. # [22:12] <@fr0zenice> I guess he didn't mean the test instance
  551. # [22:14] <@Garbee> Instance?
  552. # [22:14] <@fr0zenice> http://docs.webplatform.org/test/Main_Page
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  554. # [22:16] <@Garbee> I think that can be the only one he is referring to.
  555. # [22:21] <@Garbee> When did this test system get online?
  556. # [22:21] <@Garbee> I'm so confused.
  557. # [22:21] <@fr0zenice> always been there, it's not used now
  558. # [22:22] <@Garbee> Yea, I see it has been there for a while from changelogs.
  559. # [22:22] <@Garbee> Just not sure why it wasn't mentioned before to test layouts and other changes.
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  576. # [23:01] <say2joe> Is there a plan or any interest (for that matter) to possibly stream the WebPlatform Doc Sprints live in some manner? Was the first (Dec 3) Sprint video recorded or documented?
  577. # [23:03] <@Garbee> I don't think it was recorded.
  578. # [23:03] <@Garbee> I think they are going to set up a google hangout or something this time.
  579. # [23:03] <@Garbee> Just an idea though, nothing solid I think.
  580. # [23:04] <@Garbee> I'll actually ask Peter when I email him later tonight.
  581. # [23:04] <say2joe> yeah… trying to glean what i can from the Blogs. But, unfortunately, I'm down in LA … maybe I can make it up to MV/SF in the future though.
  582. # [23:04] <say2joe> Garbee, thanks for the feedback though.
  583. # [23:05] <@Garbee> Yea, drop by and ask later this week and I should have an answer for you.
  584. # [23:05] <say2joe> cool, thanks.
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