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  1. # Session Start: Tue Dec 18 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #webplatform
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  28. # [01:39] <@Ryan_Lane> updating the wiki
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  31. # [01:56] <@Ryan_Lane> that went…. poorly
  32. # [01:56] <@Ryan_Lane> let me give this another shot.
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  35. # [02:04] <@Ryan_Lane> deploying...
  36. # [02:17] <@Ryan_Lane> upgrade is done
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  51. # [03:33] <gluxon> Admins.
  52. # [03:34] <gluxon> Spam -> http://talk.webplatform.org/forums/index.php/2637/uolapykhqvnwok
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  55. # [03:40] <@Garbee> Ryan_Lane, Now to test sessions..
  56. # [03:40] <@Ryan_Lane> yep
  57. # [03:40] <@Ryan_Lane> hopefully this fixes it
  58. # [03:41] <@Garbee> Doesn't look like it.
  59. # [03:41] <@Ryan_Lane> :(
  60. # [03:41] <@Garbee> Just tried to kill the spam in the Q&A and it gave me my IP.
  61. # [03:41] <@Garbee> Incognito mode did it though.
  62. # [03:41] <@Ryan_Lane> maybe we'll need to switch to the new memcache support
  63. # [03:41] <@Ryan_Lane> oh
  64. # [03:41] <@Ryan_Lane> was this with a new or old login?
  65. # [03:42] <@Garbee> Same login I always use.
  66. # [03:42] <@Ryan_Lane> if this was a login that was before the upgrade, it won't be solved
  67. # [03:42] <@Ryan_Lane> err
  68. # [03:42] <@Garbee> ugh, really?
  69. # [03:42] <@Ryan_Lane> a session
  70. # [03:42] <@Garbee> Oh session, no.
  71. # [03:42] <@Garbee> New session.
  72. # [03:42] <@Ryan_Lane> ah, ok
  73. # [03:42] <@Garbee> frozenice had mentioned in the ML that it could be Fastly helping cause session issues.
  74. # [03:42] <@Ryan_Lane> it's not
  75. # [03:43] <@Ryan_Lane> I had responded to that ;)
  76. # [03:43] <@Garbee> Not in the Mailing List.
  77. # [03:44] <@Ryan_Lane> eh? it should have shown up in the ML
  78. # [03:44] <@Garbee> Maybe it is stuck in the buffer.
  79. # [03:44] <@Ryan_Lane> maybe. this was a few days ago
  80. # [03:45] <@Garbee> Well, I will ask the W3 guys next time I see them to check the buffer.
  81. # [03:45] <@Garbee> Although, you have sent to the list before so yours should just shoot through forever-more.
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  83. # [03:46] <@Garbee> Are you sure your hit send? Or that you sent to the ML vs directly back to frozenice?
  84. # [03:46] <@Garbee> I see a lot of duplicate messages because people reply all vs replying to just the list.
  85. # [03:46] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah, sent reply all
  86. # [03:48] <@Garbee> Then I can only think it is stuck in the buffer. Perhaps a W3 guy will drop in tomorrow so I can ask for them to flush it.
  87. # [03:48] <@Garbee> This is also why I don't like the mailing list.
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  89. # [03:53] <@Garbee> Yea, session issues are not fixe.d
  90. # [03:54] * @Garbee sighs.
  91. # [03:54] <@Garbee> I'll see everyone later hopefully.
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  319. # [15:10] <@Garbee> chrismills, Only under 8% less upset? What else is wrong?
  320. # [15:10] <@chrismills> About 80% of the remaining 92% is due to the session issues ;-)
  321. # [15:15] <@Garbee> Ah, yea those. I have stopped editing in whole except for what I *need* to (which is now very little) due to them.
  322. # [15:15] <@Garbee> I'm just frustrated with one link taking three logins to get updated, or one touch to get a page to use a form taking two.
  323. # [15:16] <@chrismills> When I was putting up all those new landing pages this morning, I was screaming abuse at my computer for most of it, due to that very issue
  324. # [15:16] <@Garbee> At least recently the PM proposal has come along tons.
  325. # [15:16] <@Garbee> Adding the Q&A stuff now and then adding the roadmap to get the solution going. Then a grammar check and all should be good.
  326. # [15:17] <@Garbee> After Tomato checks over it and helps me figure out a few points I have notes for.
  327. # [15:18] <@Garbee> I honestly was originally trying to figure out if the system was a wiki or a doc engine in order to figure out the conventions we should use, overall I decided to just go forward as a doc engine since one day it could move off of a wiki base.
  328. # [15:18] <@Garbee> Treating things like a doc engine just means better long-term thinking rather than thinking just of what is in use right now.
  329. # [15:20] <@chrismills> it still feels like semantics to me
  330. # [15:20] <@chrismills> but I still think your work is incredible, and that it will get us to a much better place
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  334. # [15:36] <@Garbee> Well, I was thinking wiki we should use default wiki namespaces more along with talk pages.
  335. # [15:36] <@Garbee> But, Doc engine means we can forgo those wiki norms and do what is best for us which is centralize.
  336. # [15:37] <@chrismills> I think what we are doing essentially is using a wiki model for the content because it facilitates easier collaboration and contribution, but aiming for something more like a doc engine
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  340. # [15:48] <@Garbee> I think we either need to solve some issues with the wiki or move engines in the long run. Having all these odd hacks to get things working isn't good.
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  342. # [15:49] <@Garbee> One thing we need to solve is things like the pipe hack. If it can't be solved (especially for tables) then we need to either use straight HTML markup for them or look into other systems that don't require such a hack.
  343. # [15:53] <_WiZZarD> <Garbee> I'm just frustrated with one link taking three logins to get updated, or one touch to get a page to use a form taking two. << Hm, sounds familiar :)
  344. # [15:58] <@Garbee> I'm not even talking about the DocSprint either...
  345. # [15:58] <@Garbee> Which we really need to hide the edit source button unless people are in a template or admin group.
  346. # [15:59] <@Garbee> I saw too many people trying to edit source directly which ended up breaking some things. (wasn't too hard of a fix, but could still be avoided.)
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  428. # [19:41] <@Ryan_Lane> hahaha
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  430. # [19:41] <@Ryan_Lane> openstack wiki is now facing the hard realities of using / as their content location, rather than /wiki :(
  431. # [19:41] <@Ryan_Lane> of course i'm the person needing to face those realities.
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  434. # [19:45] <@fr0zenice> congrats :p
  435. # [19:48] <@Ryan_Lane> :D
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  437. # [19:52] <@fr0zenice> Ryan_Lane: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20408 some input on that? :)
  438. # [19:53] <@Ryan_Lane> why the need for user account deletions?
  439. # [19:53] <@fr0zenice> becuase of https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20362
  440. # [19:53] <@fr0zenice> *because
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  442. # [19:54] <@Ryan_Lane> why don't we just force their skin to webplatform?
  443. # [19:54] <@Ryan_Lane> in the database?
  444. # [19:54] <@fr0zenice> that's another thing
  445. # [19:54] <@Ryan_Lane> we should never delete accounts
  446. # [19:54] <@Ryan_Lane> in fact, it's probably a violation of our license
  447. # [19:55] <@fr0zenice> even in that case? he made 2 accounts and is just using 1
  448. # [19:55] <@Ryan_Lane> has he ever made an edit with the other?
  449. # [19:55] <@fr0zenice> nope
  450. # [19:55] <@Ryan_Lane> there's a maintenance script to delete users who have never made an edit
  451. # [19:55] <@fr0zenice> ah
  452. # [19:56] <@fr0zenice> I hope not all of them :D
  453. # [19:56] <@Ryan_Lane> yes, all of them
  454. # [19:56] <@fr0zenice> well, that makes no sense then
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  456. # [19:58] <@Ryan_Lane> well, Wikimedia *never* deletes accounts
  457. # [20:01] <@fr0zenice> so if a user created 2 accounts because he misspelled something, the old account just sits there?
  458. # [20:03] <@Garbee> I know Parker is fine with having the old account removed if allowed. Really I don't see a problem just letting it sit.
  459. # [20:05] <@Garbee> Also I don't recall reading anything in the license about deleting accounts. Either way, I see no real issue just leaving it.
  460. # [20:06] <@fr0zenice> I'm fine either way :)
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  474. # [20:45] <@Garbee> Ryan_Lane, What patch is needed on the OpenID extension so we could use it?
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  476. # [20:56] <@Ryan_Lane> as a provider?
  477. # [20:56] <@Ryan_Lane> or as a consumer?
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  484. # [21:12] <@Garbee> Both.
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