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  171. # [13:15] <@Garbee> We *really* need a hidden editors notes section in the forms. Or some way for notices to be shown only to people editing on certain pages.
  172. # [13:16] <@Garbee> People just keep adding Sublime Text into the list of free editors for beginners. Yet it is not free.
  173. # [13:20] <matnel> Garbee: maybe add it like "People also use Sublime Text 2 as their editor, however there is..."
  174. # [13:21] <@Garbee> Nah, then that opens up everyone adding their favorite paid editor. Which is going to have its place elsewhere later on.
  175. # [13:21] <matnel> or something similar. it's not free, but it's free enough for many of us.
  176. # [13:22] <@Garbee> Plus the getting started guide needs to be as concise as possible. That is basically adding fluff for no real reason other than to get people to do as they are supposed to anyways and not add it.
  177. # [13:24] <matnel> well, if we go to that direction, is there a strong motivation even to list those 4? I assume that the default text editor of each platform is good enough?
  178. # [13:24] <@Garbee> What default text editor in Windows has Syntax highlighting?
  179. # [13:25] <matnel> do they need a syntax highlight for the basics of the basics?
  180. # [13:25] <@Garbee> We help teach tooling from the start, but we do it with free software.
  181. # [13:26] <@Garbee> Getting people started with *tools* will help them learn there are helpful things to aid a developer. Telling them to start in notepad and have no real help in figuring things out will drive people away.
  182. # [13:32] <@Garbee> We actually need to take that stufff and put it into Chp. 1. That way we can go into more details of tooling and why it is important.
  183. # [13:32] <matnel> jup.
  184. # [13:32] <@Garbee> Then that makes the top page for it a directory and gives more space for words.
  185. # [13:33] <@Garbee> We still won't go into recommending any paid software in there. People shouldn't put up a dime if they are just learning.
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  192. # [14:00] <@ravenzz> windows lacks of a default text editor with syntax highlighting afaik
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  194. # [14:00] <@Garbee> It does.
  195. # [14:00] <@Garbee> Which is why we have the list of options.
  196. # [14:01] <@Garbee> tbh, I wish Adobe Brackets was 1.0 so we could just say to use that.
  197. # [14:02] <@ravenzz> eh I guess an editor like TextAdept is perfect to begin with
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  200. # [14:23] <@Garbee> Does TextAdept support a mouse?
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  202. # [14:24] <@ravenzz> uh?
  203. # [14:24] <@Garbee> Their site says it is keyboard based.
  204. # [14:24] <@Garbee> And they talk of navigating with a keyboard like vi.
  205. # [14:24] <@ravenzz> yes it does, it is a visual editor
  206. # [14:24] <@ravenzz> you can use either a mouse or a keyboard
  207. # [14:25] <@ravenzz> I never read the keyboard thing tbh
  208. # [14:26] <@Garbee> Added to the list.
  209. # [14:27] <@ravenzz> nice
  210. # [14:27] <@Garbee> Yea, we need to give a whole section in chapter one to helping people understand tooling. But not give them more than they can handle.
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  212. # [14:28] <mstalfoort> what about BlueGriffon? http://bluegriffon.org/
  213. # [14:28] <@ravenzz> a simple and minimalistic one is what a newbie needs
  214. # [14:29] <@Garbee> I found BlueGriffon buggy and off when I last used it.
  215. # [14:29] <@Garbee> And WYSIWYG, sure as hell not mentioning that for beginners.
  216. # [14:29] <mstalfoort> Garbee, true that
  217. # [14:30] <@Garbee> If you know what you're doing BlueGriffon my be a nice aid, but at the same time I have an aversion to mention any full site WYSIWYG tools.
  218. # [14:30] <@Garbee> I understand things like "Here is a button maker" or "Gradient Generator" (being Colorzilla ofc.) WYSIWYG for items, not pages.
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  220. # [14:42] <@Garbee> Honestly, I'm iffy on Visual Studio Express being in the list.
  221. # [14:43] <@Garbee> I mean it is a *really* powerful tool. Just seems like overkill for people just learning.
  222. # [14:43] <@Garbee> Even WebMatrix as simple as it is may be a little too much.
  223. # [14:44] <@Garbee> Oh well, I'm off. I have a long day of computer OS re-installs to do (and an upgrade.)
  224. # [14:45] <@Garbee> Have a good day everyone.
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  226. # [14:48] <@ravenzz> have fun + a good day
  227. # [14:48] <@ravenzz> I agree btw
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  339. # [22:06] <@Garbee> paul_irish, Have you heard anymore people wanting to edit complain about needing to use Mediawiki syntax?
  340. # [22:07] <@paul_irish> not lately but i havent been listening
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  342. # [22:07] <@Garbee> Mk. I'm trying to gauge how important of an addition pandoc integration would be.
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