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  220. # [13:46] <@ravenzz> hey chris
  221. # [13:48] <@chrismills> ravenzz: hey there
  222. # [13:49] <@ravenzz> are you going to be in berlin the 8th of february?
  223. # [13:49] <@chrismills> yes, i am
  224. # [13:49] <@ravenzz> cool, i am considering of coming
  225. # [13:50] <@ravenzz> will it be friday and saturday only right?
  226. # [13:57] <@chrismills> ravenzz: yes, Friday 8th Feb and Saturday 9th Feb
  227. # [13:57] <@chrismills> We will be running it during the day on both of those days
  228. # [13:57] <@chrismills> But I am sure there will be beers drunk in the evenings ;-)
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  231. # [14:01] <@ravenzz> awesome! do you know where it will be hosted? so I can look for accommodation
  232. # [14:01] <@Garbee> I think if we need to build a custom WYSIWYG editor this might be a good base. http://ckeditor.com/
  233. # [14:04] <@ravenzz> what we need it for?
  234. # [14:04] <@Garbee> The forms.
  235. # [14:04] <@Garbee> Right now there is no WYSIWYG. Also I don't see an extension for WYSIWYG in the forms.
  236. # [14:04] <@Garbee> Then again I am only looking in the MW extension listing.
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  239. # [14:05] <@chrismills> ravenzz: I don't know these details myself yet. I will check in with Jay from Adobe, who is the main organizer
  240. # [14:05] <@ravenzz> uhm, i'd rather love to write in Markdown than use a wysiwg editor
  241. # [14:06] <@ravenzz> chrismills ah ok no rush, thank you
  242. # [14:06] <@Garbee> ravenzz, We will probably have a switch.
  243. # [14:07] <@Garbee> But, people don't know MediaWiki markup too well, so we need to aid those that don't. tbh, I'd rather we use HTML markup as much as possible.
  244. # [14:07] <@Garbee> Leaving MW markup to things like links which don't make it through the sanitizer.
  245. # [14:07] <@Garbee> That way it is source everyone is comfortable with.
  246. # [14:07] <@Garbee> And no stupid template hacks like {{!}} and {{=}}
  247. # [14:07] <@ravenzz> eh I see/know/agree
  248. # [14:08] <@Garbee> Which on the template hacks, we either need to fix them or find a new way to do things. They are confusing and hard to diagnose unless you know what to look for.
  249. # [14:08] <@Garbee> Unless we want to build a lint system...
  250. # [14:08] <@Garbee> ugh.
  251. # [14:09] <@Garbee> Oh, and as far as *markdown* goes... We are thinking of using Pandoc to allow multiple types of source syntaxes.
  252. # [14:09] <@Garbee> It is also a complicated setup with the current form system.
  253. # [14:09] <@ravenzz> that's nice
  254. # [14:10] <@Garbee> Since we need to have it at a certain place in between the forms and the DB.
  255. # [14:10] <@Garbee> Then also do a WYSIWYG that will work with the most commen syntaxes.
  256. # [14:10] <@Garbee> common*
  257. # [14:10] <@Garbee> So, it is going to be a pretty complicated setup, but functional.
  258. # [14:10] <@ravenzz> I think you can have different ones in that case
  259. # [14:10] <@ravenzz> otherwise you have to code it yourself
  260. # [14:11] <@Garbee> Different ones for what? WYSIWYG?
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  262. # [14:11] <@ravenzz> yes?
  263. # [14:11] <@Garbee> Nah, we want a singular look/feel.
  264. # [14:12] <@Garbee> Well, let me see how CKeditor handles WYSIWYG in a test (also working on it for a site I am working for so it really doubles up.)
  265. # [14:12] <@Garbee> Then if we wanted to use this then we would know how to handle it.
  266. # [14:12] <@Garbee> Others we would need to re-asses.
  267. # [14:12] <@ravenzz> well you can always style them, I think that a markdown, MediaWiki, html compatible WYSIWYG editor is pretty hard to find
  268. # [14:12] <@Garbee> But, we want a single editor that handles the many markup types.
  269. # [14:12] <@Garbee> Well, look isn't all there is.
  270. # [14:13] <@Garbee> It is also pure optimization.
  271. # [14:13] <@ravenzz> sure
  272. # [14:13] <@Garbee> Why have someone wait to be served another editor?
  273. # [14:13] <@Garbee> When they can just be handed the one with multiple markup selection.
  274. # [14:13] <@Garbee> And no reflow.
  275. # [14:13] <@ravenzz> anyway I have been using ckeditor ... because I am too lazy (I don't have the time) to write one myself
  276. # [14:13] <@ravenzz> but is not the best thing in the world I have seen before
  277. # [14:13] <@Garbee> I just found it. Been using TinyMCE since that is what my software comes with.
  278. # [14:14] <@Garbee> I just piggy back off their copy of TinyMCE to save some resources. ;)
  279. # [14:14] <@Garbee> backed*
  280. # [14:15] <@ravenzz> this one seems better http://imperavi.com/redactor/ but it is not free
  281. # [14:18] <@Garbee> Yea, we need Open Source.
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  303. # [15:51] <odinho> I really dislike WYSIWYG, and want a WYSIWY(Mean) one, and there is one, but it's not really all that flexible and nice either. It should be damn easy to add divs/sections/classes around things etc.
  304. # [15:51] <@chrismills> odinho: you can do that with wiki markup ;-)
  305. # [15:52] <@chrismills> (yes, I know it's horrenous…!)
  306. # [15:52] <odinho> chrismills: I do it with code all the time, -- I meant for Normal People(tm). It was not really aimed at WP so much as to a general problem in the world today ;-)
  307. # [15:52] <@chrismills> aye, i hear you man!
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  323. # [16:22] <@Garbee> Honestly I'm against wasting resources on a WYSIWYG.
  324. # [16:22] <@Garbee> We are targeting developers to edit the content, not children.
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  326. # [16:22] <@Garbee> So, they should be able to figure out what is going on, or better yet we move to HTML as much as possible and just need to cover links and maybe another thing.
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  329. # [16:22] <@Garbee> Then everyone is comfortable editing.
  330. # [16:23] <@Garbee> So, they should be able to figure out what is going on, or better yet we move to HTML as much as possible and just need to cover links and maybe another thing. --What was said if Chris cares to know since he dropped for a second.
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  332. # [16:23] <@Garbee> I kinda think we are wasting our time with things like Pandoc and WYSIWYG editors.
  333. # [16:24] <@Garbee> When we have bigger fish to fry with the system.
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  352. # [16:57] <odinho> Garbee: That sounds very reasonable indeed.
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