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  109. # [13:53] <@Garbee> Should we remove Safari from the download browser list on the Beginners page? It is only available for Mac OS now and is pre-installed. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/beginners
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  113. # [14:42] <eighty4> Apple removed the win download?
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  118. # [14:47] <eighty4> Garbee: and by that logic IE should also be removed?
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  127. # [15:15] <@Garbee> True.
  128. # [15:16] <@Garbee> I really think those two go without mention tbh. We are targeting people who know what they are doing, having those updated should be a no-brainer.
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  131. # [15:23] <@Garbee> I'll update the list later. Working on testing sessions today.
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  161. # [17:47] <eighty4> Garbee: yeah, If you don't know that you have Safari/IE on your computer you shouldn't be reading on the site :)
  162. # [17:48] <@Garbee> I just made a note for them to be sure they are updated.
  163. # [17:48] <@Garbee> I still think it really isn't needed, but we still need to mention them to be tested in. So we'll figure that out later.
  164. # [17:49] <eighty4> Garbee: should also add textmate to the editor list. It's by far a better option than textwrangler
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  166. # [17:49] <@Garbee> Textmate is not free, at least in a binary form.
  167. # [17:50] <@Garbee> You need to compile that from source if you want it for free, so not mentioning it since it is not a straightforward install/usage without paying for the binary.
  168. # [17:50] <eighty4> no
  169. # [17:50] <@Garbee> Textwrangler is just another decent option.
  170. # [17:50] <eighty4> there's precompiled free versions
  171. # [17:50] <@Garbee> Where from?
  172. # [17:50] <eighty4> hang on
  173. # [17:51] <eighty4> https://github.com/textmate/textmate -> "this link to download a prebuilt binary"
  174. # [17:51] <eighty4> have been free/open sourced for a couple of months by now
  175. # [17:51] <eighty4> the free binary have an autoupdate as well
  176. # [17:52] <@Garbee> Then why does their site still have you pay for it? http://macromates.com/
  177. # [17:52] <eighty4> textmate 1 vs 2
  178. # [17:52] <eighty4> v1 is still closed source
  179. # [17:53] <@Garbee> oh, that is retarded.
  180. # [17:53] <@Garbee> And convoluted.
  181. # [17:53] <eighty4> no idea why they still have the pay link up but that's the way it is
  182. # [17:53] <eighty4> you could always ask about it in #textmate
  183. # [17:53] <@Garbee> I did.
  184. # [17:53] <@Garbee> They said "It is still paid for a binary."
  185. # [17:54] <eighty4> ok
  186. # [17:54] <eighty4> no idea then
  187. # [17:54] <@Garbee> Because I asked before so I could include it in the list.
  188. # [17:54] <@Garbee> But, I didn't because they said it was paid.
  189. # [17:54] <eighty4> I've just downloaded the v2 binary and used it
  190. # [17:54] <@Garbee> Kinda funny, their own IRC room doesn't know what is going on.
  191. # [17:54] <eighty4> might be that I actually have a version 1 license
  192. # [17:55] <@Garbee> Honestly, I'm going to probably remove the full list once Adobe Brackets is stable.
  193. # [17:55] <@Garbee> One cross-platform editor to try and get people started on.
  194. # [17:55] <eighty4> but I cant see anything about my version 1 license in v2
  195. # [17:55] <eighty4> brackets was nice, but doesn't handle sass/less :/
  196. # [17:55] <@Garbee> Plugins. ;)
  197. # [17:56] <@Garbee> And, for a "beginners guide" we won't be touching preprocessors at all.
  198. # [17:56] <eighty4> meh
  199. # [17:57] <eighty4> not using a preprocessor is just...
  200. # [17:57] <eighty4> horrible
  201. # [17:57] <eighty4> but yeah, you should probably learn css first
  202. # [17:57] <@Garbee> What part of a beginners guide isn't clicking here?
  203. # [17:57] <eighty4> :D
  204. # [17:58] <@Garbee> Our docs are around CSS, plain and simple. Preprocessors aren't standard in any way. But, they will ofc be getting plugged in the developer tools area.
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  206. # [17:59] <@Garbee> Eventually we will have a dev tools section covering different toolings such as precprocessors, other text editors, in-browser dev tools, etc. Along with explinations on how they are helpful. But, as far as preprocessors themselves we would need to see if it is something we would want to do detailed docs on.
  207. # [17:59] <@Garbee> Just like javascript libraries, things we still need to figure out.
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