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  212. # [17:45] <jgough> hi, great site / idea
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  214. # [17:45] <@chrismills> jgough: thanks! We are working hard at the moment on getting plans in place for what major content area to tackle first
  215. # [17:46] <@chrismills> we are going to do CSS properties...
  216. # [17:46] <jgough> cool :)
  217. # [17:47] <jgough> I am working with a few college students / devs on some projects, and I plan to have them start learning from the content, and hopefully we will also contribute as we go
  218. # [17:49] <jgough> on the Q an A page...that looks like an embedded "stack overflow" component or something.... is it? or, just something similar?
  219. # [17:50] <jgough> nevermind, i see the links
  220. # [17:50] <@Garbee> Yea, custom hosted solution.
  221. # [17:50] <jgough> cool, looks nice
  222. # [17:51] <@Garbee> Although, we are currently having talks of it going down for a while once the issue tracker is in place. Then bringing that back later when it can serve its intended purpose.
  223. # [17:51] <@Garbee> ^^possibly brining it back. Won't be sure until a decision is first made to take it down or not, then again down the road on whether we see it as useful (which we will find a way to make it useful probably.)
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  226. # [17:52] <jgough> i was in the process of writing up some tutorials for an api i work on, and found this site, as a healthy alternative to w3schools
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  228. # [17:54] <@Garbee> Yea, one of the obvious main points when they made the site was to give people a good place to go with detailed information other than w3schools.
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  231. # [17:57] <jgough> i work for a company called www.versionone.com, which makes an "agile management" tool. They've been around 10 years now, and suddenly saw this need to take open-source more seriously (I guess?) -- so I'm trying to nudge them in the direction of thinking about the community for the community's sake, not just for the "open source can help us as a company" angle
  232. # [17:57] <jgough> so in the tutorials and code samples I write, I'm trying to rely as much as I can on other open source projects and resources
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  234. # [18:05] <@chrismills> jgough: sounds great. I am currently trying to write some instructions to help others implement pages
  235. # [18:05] <jgough> awesome.... If I have some code samples that use open js libraries, like Backbone, jQuery, jQueryMobile ... If I can adapt them to free them from proprietary stuff (or make the proprietary support a plugin), could I contribute them in the JavaScript or mobile sections?
  236. # [18:07] <@Garbee> We don't know how we are going to handle JS libraries yet, if we are even going to do so.
  237. # [18:07] <jgough> Ok
  238. # [18:07] <@Garbee> It would be something to bring up in the Mailing List to get some discussion around.
  239. # [18:07] <@Garbee> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/
  240. # [18:08] * @Garbee is off to Lunch. See y'all later.
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  243. # [18:08] <jgough> yeah...kind of a giant rabbit hole
  244. # [18:08] <@chrismills> the CSS properties guide as it stands is at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:CSS_property_guide
  245. # [18:09] <@chrismills> jgough: yeah, you have to consider that generally JS libraries have vibrant communities and good docs of their own
  246. # [18:09] <@chrismills> same with a lot of server-side languages
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  248. # [18:09] <@chrismills> so to reproduce all that wouldn't necessarily be the best use of our time
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  252. # [18:12] <jgough> is the idea to improve on what is on w3, or to distill from it into something more task-oriented, and how-to oriented, rather than spec-exhaustive? I mean, it's been a while since I read w3 specs in my spare time, but I used to have to in order to figure anything out.... I don't remember them being that hard to use.... but I guess these days there is just so much information
  253. # [18:12] <@chrismills> jgough: basically, the latter
  254. # [18:12] <@chrismills> specs aren't the best way to learn web standards
  255. # [18:13] <@chrismills> and what is out there is largely quite fragmented
  256. # [18:13] <jgough> yeah
  257. # [18:13] <@chrismills> there is some good stuff on MDN, HTML5 rocks, and other places
  258. # [18:13] <jgough> personally i like code samples and exercises, coupled with explanations that aren't super super verbose, but can point me to the specs when needed
  259. # [18:13] <@chrismills> but we wanted to join together and make something far deeper, more consistent, and regularly updated
  260. # [18:13] <jgough> yeah
  261. # [18:14] <@chrismills> I work for Opera and W3C, and we've also got Moz, MS, Goog, and lots of others involved
  262. # [18:14] <jgough> it's nice when a sample can fit nicely into a JSFiddle, for example
  263. # [18:14] <@chrismills> yup!
  264. # [18:14] <@chrismills> Well, we are planning on having live code examples slightly later on
  265. # [18:14] <@chrismills> currently working on it
  266. # [18:14] <jgough> that will be cool
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  268. # [18:15] <jgough> there are some good aspects to jsfiddle, and some bad ones.... I mean...I would like to be able to embed the fiddle as Editable and Live into the context of a page
  269. # [18:15] <jgough> the EloquentJavaScript.net book had something like that
  270. # [18:15] <@chrismills> Lea Verou, who works for W3C dev relations, also wrote the Dabblet live code tool, and has been working hard to integrate that in webplatform.org
  271. # [18:15] <jgough> but the author wants to keep that proprietary...at least ..he wants to keep it for his book
  272. # [18:15] <jgough> oh cool
  273. # [18:15] <@chrismills> I have read that - it is pretty cool
  274. # [18:15] <jgough> that looked promising
  275. # [18:16] <@chrismills> so yeah, we'd love you to get involved, give us feedback, etc.
  276. # [18:16] <@chrismills> are you on the mailing list?
  277. # [18:16] <@chrismills> that's the easiest way to keep up to speed, in a low maintenance kind of way ;-)
  278. # [18:17] <jgough> I am trying to make something similar, but for a rewrite of www.OpenEpi.com, which a suite of tools for public health and medical professionals (I used to work with CDC here in Atlanta, so that's how I got interested and connected to that) -- I want students who read the material to be able to "try out" the statistics or calculators in the page, not have to open a new "page" or "App"
  279. # [18:17] <jgough> Ok
  280. # [18:17] <jgough> I just joined the web site, i'll look for the mailing list
  281. # [18:18] <@chrismills> excellent
  282. # [18:18] <@chrismills> Feel free to introduce yourself on the mailing list, and we'll say hi and see how best we think we can help each other
  283. # [18:18] <jgough> will do
  284. # [18:19] <jgough> Thanks Chriss
  285. # [18:19] <@chrismills> cool, cheers
  286. # [18:19] <jgough> I'm Josh, by the way
  287. # [18:19] <@chrismills> pleasure to meet you, Josh
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