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  135. # [12:15] <sike> hi everyone
  136. # [12:18] <@chrismills> sike hi ;-)
  137. # [12:19] <sike> chrismills: I was just wondering do you know anyone that still uses frontpage 2003 for frontend development ?
  138. # [12:20] <sike> or anybody here knows ?
  139. # [12:20] <sike> lol
  140. # [12:20] <dahlfors> if anybody would, I think they'd be too ashamed to admit it...
  141. # [12:20] <@chrismills> ummm, sorry, no
  142. # [12:21] <@chrismills> why do you ask?
  143. # [12:21] <sike> well I use it...
  144. # [12:21] <@chrismills> Ok, fair enough
  145. # [12:21] <sike> not that I want to use it
  146. # [12:21] <@chrismills> are you forced to use it, by employment, of school?
  147. # [12:21] <sike> (cause I have a sublime text licence)
  148. # [12:21] <@chrismills> or*
  149. # [12:21] <sike> force to use it
  150. # [12:21] <sike> by boss
  151. # [12:23] <sike> we are a small company outside Lisbon, Portugal
  152. # [12:23] <sike> and the way we work is really...
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  154. # [12:23] <sike> how can i call it.
  155. # [12:23] <sike> old
  156. # [12:23] <@chrismills> wow, that is old school
  157. # [12:24] <@chrismills> and a program made in 2003 is bound to enforce some pretty bad coding practices
  158. # [12:24] <@chrismills> I take it you've tried to make changes?
  159. # [12:24] <@chrismills> hand coding would surely be better?
  160. # [12:24] <sike> it's actualy funny when you open a .less file in frontpage
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  162. # [12:24] <@chrismills> although I'm guessing that your workflow is somewhat built around that program now? So changes would be hard?
  163. # [12:24] <sike> (don't do it)
  164. # [12:24] <@chrismills> ;-)
  165. # [12:25] <sike> the problem
  166. # [12:25] <sike> is that
  167. # [12:25] <sike> we use some kind of checkout system
  168. # [12:25] <sike> that it's so old
  169. # [12:25] <sike> frontpage
  170. # [12:25] <sike> frontpage extensions or something
  171. # [12:27] <@chrismills> righty
  172. # [12:27] <@chrismills> hrm, that is a difficult one
  173. # [12:27] <@chrismills> so changing the dev tool would have much more changes to the workflow than just that one program...
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  175. # [12:28] <sike_> got disconnected... maybe it was my boss
  176. # [12:28] <sike_> lol
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  179. # [12:30] <@chrismills> wow, poor guy/gal ;-)
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  187. # [12:57] <@Garbee> chrismills, I'm rethinking the Beginner's Guide a bit.
  188. # [12:57] <@Garbee> My thought is we take the "tabs" part of the interface out at first, and do traditional sections.
  189. # [12:57] <@Garbee> Then, do an extra optional part on making those sections into tabs.
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  191. # [12:58] <@Garbee> That would allow us to add accessibility of those tabs in with that as well, since it is something pretty simple so we should show it up front. (Referencing this post for the accessibility, http://www.marcozehe.de/2013/02/02/advanced-aria-tip-1-tabs-in-web-apps/ )
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  193. # [13:07] <@chrismills> Garbee: hey man!
  194. # [13:07] <@chrismills> thanks for the notes.
  195. # [13:07] <@chrismills> Yes, I like where you are going with this.
  196. # [13:08] <@chrismills> adding in an excuse to demonstrate some web app a11y techniques is a good thingmf or sure
  197. # [13:08] <@Garbee> That, plus just keeping it upfront page as simple as possible.
  198. # [13:09] <@Garbee> Make the initial build easy so people don't feel overwealmed, then show these extra UI tricks to clean things up and do them as optional extra steps.
  199. # [13:09] <@Garbee> That also allows us to do a11y right there compared to making it yet another module.
  200. # [13:09] * @Garbee is for having developers think of a11y as they build vs as an extra thing.
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  202. # [13:10] <@chrismills> yup yup yup
  203. # [13:10] <@chrismills> a11y should be an inherent part of your work form the start
  204. # [13:11] <@chrismills> from*
  205. # [13:11] <@chrismills> not a bolt on extra
  206. # [13:11] <@chrismills> we need to get that into people's heads from the start
  207. # [13:11] <@Garbee> Yea. Sadly due to me rushing the retheme on my dads store I left a11y out. I'm working on getting it back in though once I have this module done for our products.
  208. # [13:12] <@chrismills> no worries. As long as you can get a solid outline gemmed up, we can just assume a11y
  209. # [13:12] <@Garbee> That is also what I am working on now, which means I can't really start on the Beginner's Guide in detail until Wednesday. Possibly later.
  210. # [13:12] <@chrismills> When I am not so busy with the CSS properties, I'll have time to help write some of this stuff
  211. # [13:12] <@Garbee> I'm trying to find 40 minutes or so today to work on the guide. To at least have a start on it.
  212. # [13:13] <@Garbee> I'm going to do re-outlining. Really trim down what would be in the initial thing and then make modules to everything else.
  213. # [13:14] <@Garbee> Just assume a11y in every part as well. Even make a note on sections that don't need extra a11y markup that it is not needed for whatever reason.
  214. # [13:15] <@Garbee> My only complaint about the last two weeks is I haven't really been active in the ML or with getting the guide written. Too busy getting some cool stuff done for this store site.
  215. # [13:15] <@Garbee> But, my dad should be able to manage things after this week is over so I can refocus on WPD for a while.
  216. # [13:15] <@chrismills> no worries at all - you do so much for us in general ;-)
  217. # [13:16] <@Garbee> Yea, now to get to a backlog of email from the ML I have neglected.
  218. # [13:17] * @Garbee curses Peter for getting me on Gmail.
  219. # [13:17] <@Garbee> The autotagging they have makes it *so* easy for me to neglect email now.
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  275. # [16:31] <@shepazu> nice job, Garbee
  276. # [16:55] <@Garbee> shepazu, On what? The bug report(s) from a few minutes ago?
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  280. # [17:03] <@shepazu> Garbee, yeah, good eye catching the dupe
  281. # [17:04] <@Garbee> heh, not really eye catching there. Just something I knew was already there.
  282. # [17:05] <@Garbee> But thanks, I think that may be the only real thing besides some outlining I can get done today for WPD. (MySQL is kicking my butt right now.)
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  285. # [17:07] <@Garbee> I can't wait to see the slides for W3 conf though, I will stop whatever I am doing to look those over.
  286. # [17:07] <@Garbee> ofc that could still be a few days.
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  292. # [17:12] <@shepazu> Garbee, yeah, it will be a couple days… glad you're interested
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