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  1. # Session Start: Fri Feb 22 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #webplatform
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  5. # [00:06] <@Ryan_Lane> Garbee: I may have a solution to the SSO woes
  6. # [00:06] <@Garbee> Really? They seem gone to me.
  7. # [00:06] <@Ryan_Lane> not the session issues, but a better approach to SSO
  8. # [00:07] <@Garbee> Oh.
  9. # [00:07] <@Garbee> What would that be?
  10. # [00:07] <@Garbee> (sorry, SSO and session seemed to get pretty intermingled while we had issues.)
  11. # [00:08] <@Ryan_Lane> use openid as a provider from mediawiki
  12. # [00:08] <@Ryan_Lane> I just got a set of fixes in that make it usable
  13. # [00:09] <@Ryan_Lane> and I'm waiting on one for mediawiki core, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't affect webplatform
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  15. # [00:09] <@Garbee> Well, we have the test install. So couldn't we just plug it in there and see if it works or not?
  16. # [00:10] <@Garbee> Great that the patches have come around though.
  17. # [00:10] <@Garbee> OpenID = major yes. My only thing is how would things work with our current users and their contributions using a dedicated account?
  18. # [00:11] <@Ryan_Lane> well, this would be openid as a provider
  19. # [00:11] <@Ryan_Lane> and we'd force all our other apps to use our provider
  20. # [00:11] <@Ryan_Lane> maybe we could do openid as a consumer on the wiki as well
  21. # [00:11] <@Ryan_Lane> but every other app should use the wiki as a forced provider
  22. # [00:11] <@Garbee> yes, we need consumer as well.
  23. # [00:11] <@Ryan_Lane> so, you click "login" and it directs you to the wiki
  24. # [00:12] <@Garbee> Yea, should be doable.
  25. # [00:12] <@Ryan_Lane> I haven't tested chaining the authentication
  26. # [00:12] <@Garbee> tbh, I think the Q&A is coming down for a bit.
  27. # [00:12] <@Garbee> It really isn't getting used at all.
  28. # [00:12] * @Ryan_Lane nods
  29. # [00:12] <@Garbee> TBG we would need to figure out how to make that work. I think we could write a plugin to handle it which would let us force our provider.
  30. # [00:13] <@Garbee> It has OpenID built in. But tmk we can't restrict providers.
  31. # [00:13] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah. many consumer implementations have an idea of a forced consumer
  32. # [00:13] <@Ryan_Lane> it should be simple enough to add support for those that don't
  33. # [00:14] <@Ryan_Lane> it would also be ideal to set a cookie that tells the apps to automatically log the user in as well
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  35. # [00:14] <@Ryan_Lane> we have a single domain, so that's doable
  36. # [00:14] <@Ryan_Lane> (single top-level domain)
  37. # [00:14] <@Garbee> I'll talk with Zegenie tomorrow and see if he knows of a way we could quickly do it.
  38. # [00:14] * @Ryan_Lane nods
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  40. # [00:15] <@Ryan_Lane> I need to get my contact set up properly with w3c so I can start working again
  41. # [00:15] <@Ryan_Lane> but this should be a relatively easy change from the mediawiki perspective
  42. # [00:16] <@Garbee> Also, my account on the server should be disabled.
  43. # [00:16] <@Ryan_Lane> oh?
  44. # [00:16] <@Garbee> I don't need access for setting up TBG, so it should just be disabled now.
  45. # [00:16] <@Ryan_Lane> ok
  46. # [00:16] <@Ryan_Lane> can you send an email to denis and me?
  47. # [00:16] <@Garbee> Sure will.
  48. # [00:16] <@Ryan_Lane> thanks
  49. # [00:17] <@Garbee> I just don't need it, so best have it disabled. Then in the future if I ever need it all that needs to be done is a re-activation.
  50. # [00:17] <@Ryan_Lane> indeed
  51. # [00:17] <@Ryan_Lane> we'll just remove your key for now
  52. # [00:17] <@Garbee> See, I got the security part of this down. ;)
  53. # [00:17] <@Ryan_Lane> heh
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  55. # [00:28] <@Garbee> Ryan_Lane, Since the session issues seem to be pretty much cleared up should I close related bugs as I see them in the move to the new system?
  56. # [00:28] <@Ryan_Lane> yep
  57. # [00:28] <@Ryan_Lane> I'm glad that's fixed
  58. # [00:28] <@Garbee> OK, just making sure it is sane to do so.
  59. # [00:28] <@Garbee> Me too!
  60. # [00:28] <@Garbee> I saw a lot of stuff that I just didn't fix because of those issues.
  61. # [00:29] <@Garbee> Now I'm working on the beginners guide as time permits. So that is going to be fun! :D
  62. # [00:29] <@Garbee> You have no idea how happy I am now that I can make edits without needing to think about absolute speed to avoid the session stuff.
  63. # [00:33] <@Ryan_Lane> :D
  64. # [00:33] <@Garbee> I am actually going to do the infrastructure bugs last. I am realizing I will want to make components for these as they are imported to keep things somewhat organized.
  65. # [00:33] <@Garbee> Looking over it, doing components up front with that project will save time and effort later, while also proving a nice example of what part of the system can do.
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  71. # [00:55] <@Garbee> 'ey shepazu.
  72. # [00:55] <@Garbee> How is the conference?
  73. # [00:59] <@shepazu> hey, Garbee, going pretty well
  74. # [00:59] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: you're in SF?
  75. # [00:59] <@Garbee> Can't way to see the WPD talk this morning on-demand.
  76. # [00:59] <@Garbee> I didn't know it was being streamed until after that talk. :P
  77. # [01:00] <@Ryan_Lane> shepazu: I invited lea to drinks at wikimedia on friday. you and other webplatform folks are welcome as well
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  79. # [01:00] <@Ryan_Lane> there's also a wikimedia/wikihow meetup tonight focusing on mediawiki and other related technology tonight at the wikimedia offices as well
  80. # [01:01] <@Ryan_Lane> oh. I guess it's mobile specific: http://www.meetup.com/Wikipedia-Engineering-Meetup/events/100444752/
  81. # [01:01] <@Garbee> you mean, wikihow can we make this system better? ...Then the epic code simply responds with something vague and unhelpful.
  82. # [01:01] <@Garbee> ;)
  83. # [01:01] <@Ryan_Lane> :)
  84. # [01:03] <@Garbee> Is it just me or should this bug go to the WHATWG project on Bugzilla? https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18702
  85. # [01:03] <@Garbee> It is for them.
  86. # [01:05] <@Garbee> Actually, I'll ask the #whatwg room to have a look at it.
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  88. # [01:13] <ronaldmansveld> Ah, so some people here are actually at the conference now :)
  89. # [01:13] <@Garbee> Yea.
  90. # [01:13] <@Garbee> Find Doug!
  91. # [01:13] <@Garbee> hehe
  92. # [01:14] <ronaldmansveld> hahaha, I just have to do with the livestream ;)
  93. # [01:14] <gluxon> ronaldmansveld: What conference?
  94. # [01:14] <ronaldmansveld> even though it's the middle of the night here now
  95. # [01:14] <gluxon> This is the most active this channel has ever been.
  96. # [01:14] <ronaldmansveld> w3c conf
  97. # [01:14] <@Garbee> http://w3.org/conf
  98. # [01:15] <@Garbee> iirc Peter Lubbers is also there.
  99. # [01:15] <gluxon> Grr... traveling.
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  101. # [01:15] <ronaldmansveld> yeah, he was interviewed an hour ago or so
  102. # [01:15] <ronaldmansveld> Pretty sure a lot of dutch people are there listening to all the accents :P
  103. # [01:16] <@Garbee> Eh, maybe not.
  104. # [01:16] <@Garbee> Oh ok.
  105. # [01:17] <@Garbee> First thing when I met Peter that surprised be besides his height was his accent.
  106. # [01:17] <@Garbee> It is pretty strong.
  107. # [01:17] <@Garbee> surprised me*
  108. # [01:17] <ronaldmansveld> It is, I noticed during the interview
  109. # [01:18] <ronaldmansveld> But I'm pretty sure Faruk also has a pretty dutch accent
  110. # [01:18] <@Garbee> no idea who that is.
  111. # [01:18] <ronaldmansveld> @kurafire
  112. # [01:18] <ronaldmansveld> creator of modernizr
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  114. # [01:19] <@Garbee> Ah.
  115. # [01:20] <@Garbee> One tool I don't really use. ;P
  116. # [01:21] <ronaldmansveld> Ah, he _is_ dutch XD
  117. # [01:22] <@Garbee> Who? Peter?
  118. # [01:22] <ronaldmansveld> At least he went to highschool in Holland
  119. # [01:23] <ronaldmansveld> No, Faruk
  120. # [01:23] <ronaldmansveld> But Peter as well
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  122. # [01:24] <@Garbee> Well, my laptop is starting to give in on me tonight. I know it has been going to long when my speakers stop working. ;)
  123. # [01:24] <@Garbee> See everyone tomorrow.
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  125. # [01:25] <ronaldmansveld> Cheers Garbee!
  126. # [01:25] <ronaldmansveld> I'm just gonna check the last speaker at the conf before turning in myself as well
  127. # [01:26] <ronaldmansveld> *tucking
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  131. # [01:59] <@Ryan_Lane> \o/ the remaining change needed for making openid work as a provider was just merged into mediawiki core
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  159. # [03:55] <Rodrigo> Hello there
  160. # [03:57] <@arkhi> Hi Rodrigo
  161. # [03:57] <Rodrigo> I just saw the WebPlatform vide
  162. # [03:57] <Rodrigo> video*, i found it very amazing
  163. # [03:58] <Rodrigo> I only have one question and it's about the language, it's going to be only in english?
  164. # [04:02] <@arkhi> Plans are to have it multi-langual.
  165. # [04:03] <@arkhi> But the focus is first on organizing the english version to have a stable structure.
  166. # [04:03] <@arkhi> Then translations can start, following the same logic.
  167. # [04:04] <@arkhi> It’s all about using resources available and focusing on something, I’d say. :)
  168. # [04:06] <Rodrigo> Just saw a spanish version of the 'html text' page
  169. # [04:08] <Rodrigo> Really great stuff here! Congratulations!
  170. # [04:09] <@arkhi> Rodrigo: how did you reach that page in Spanish?
  171. # [04:11] <Rodrigo> from here: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/tutorials#The_HTML_body
  172. # [04:13] <Rodrigo> I follow in this order index->html5 (from hot topics)->html learning material
  173. # [04:14] <Rodrigo> sorry for my english btw
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  177. # [04:18] <@arkhi> I see, thank you Rodrigo
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  179. # [04:19] <Rodrigo> no problem, is there something wrong about that?
  180. # [04:22] <@arkhi> I didn’t know about it, but I’m not maybe I missed something in the process.
  181. # [04:22] <@arkhi> Since there is no direct link from the article itself, I would say that this is not ready, but this needs inquiring. :)
  182. # [04:23] <@arkhi> This might have an answer when Europe wakes up.
  183. # [04:26] <Rodrigo> Direct link for the spanish version of the article?
  184. # [04:26] <Rodrigo> Here it's http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/guides/html_text_es
  185. # [04:26] <Rodrigo> It's written in a no-neutral spanish, it's probably from Spain
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  272. # [11:06] <ronaldmansveld> It looks like the preview-function is behaving buggy
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  275. # [11:07] <ronaldmansveld> it won't give the preview, and since the css-style changes the pointer to 'wait', it looks like it hangs
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  307. # [14:14] <@ravenzz> uhuh Janet is talking about wpd at the w3conf
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  311. # [14:22] <@Garbee> ravenzz, Problem?
  312. # [14:23] <@ravenzz> uhm no!?, why?
  313. # [14:24] <@ravenzz> by the way when the live pastebin was launched/announced?
  314. # [14:27] <@Garbee> You mean Dabblet?
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  316. # [14:27] <@ravenzz> yes
  317. # [14:27] <ronaldmansveld> Have any of you noticed problems with the preview-function?
  318. # [14:28] <@Garbee> Doesn't look like it has been "announced".
  319. # [14:28] <@Garbee> It really still isn't fully in place.
  320. # [14:28] <@Garbee> ronaldmansveld, Preview stuff can be broken for a few reasons.
  321. # [14:28] <@Garbee> We only have the install up. No actual integration yet tmk. -- For our Dabblet install.
  322. # [14:28] <@ravenzz> k, so is it just there for testing purposes?
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  325. # [14:29] <@Garbee> Not really testing.
  326. # [14:29] <@Garbee> That is what we will be using.
  327. # [14:29] <@Garbee> Just not integration with our form system on MediaWiki.
  328. # [14:29] <@ravenzz> I see
  329. # [14:29] <@Garbee> That is iirc.
  330. # [14:30] <@Garbee> I'm not sure how far along they are with getting it setup.
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  332. # [14:32] <ronaldmansveld> Garbee, OK, cause I had some problems with it earlier today, but the regular save/check/edit cycle did the trick
  333. # [14:32] <@Garbee> Preview is especially broken when showing code blocks off iirc.
  334. # [14:33] <@Garbee> It doesn't begin to show what the output really would be once it hits a code element.
  335. # [14:33] <ronaldmansveld> And will Dabblet be a substitution for the current syntaxhighlight, or more like a real code-playground to integrate?
  336. # [14:33] <ronaldmansveld> Ah, that would've been the problem then
  337. # [14:33] <@Garbee> Dabblet will be for live examples.
  338. # [14:33] <@ravenzz> Garbee exactly
  339. # [14:33] <@Garbee> Our current syntax highlighting stuff is going to still be in place, except eventually work and use prism.js.
  340. # [14:33] <@Garbee> So it will look all fancy. ;)
  341. # [14:34] * ronaldmansveld likes fancy
  342. # [14:34] <@ravenzz> also you have to convert anything into html entities
  343. # [14:34] <ronaldmansveld> ravenzz, you mean within the syntaxhighlighting?
  344. # [14:35] <ronaldmansveld> cause that would create a _lot_ of work as far as i can see
  345. # [14:37] <@ravenzz> ronaldmansveld code examples iirc
  346. # [14:38] <@ravenzz> but maybe code examples too
  347. # [14:38] <@ravenzz> I wrote some examples at the last doc sprint, and I had to do that
  348. # [14:38] <ronaldmansveld> then we better write a script for it :P
  349. # [14:39] <@Garbee> the inline code examples, yes. The code for live previews no. Escape inline displays (so they aren't interpreted) and for live examples do not escape since you want it interpreted.
  350. # [14:39] <@ravenzz> or at least that was what chris suggested me to do
  351. # [14:41] <@Garbee> There are plenty of scripts around for escaping HTML entities.
  352. # [14:42] <@Garbee> i.e. http://www.htmlescape.net/htmlescape_tool.html
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  354. # [14:42] <@Garbee> It really isn't as much work as people want to make it out to be most of the time. You really only need to escape less than symbols 95% of the time.
  355. # [14:43] <ronaldmansveld> ah, that ain't too bad
  356. # [14:43] <@ravenzz> well yes the problem is that you end up saving an ugly escaped code snipped that it is hard to edit
  357. # [14:43] <@ravenzz> snippet*
  358. # [14:44] <@Garbee> Not if you only really escape the less than symbols (which is all you need to most of the time.)
  359. # [14:44] <@Garbee> Then it is pretty manageable.
  360. # [14:44] <@Garbee> If you escape everything regardless then you do make it more difficult to edit/read source. But that is why you shouldn't do it.
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  363. # [14:51] <@ravenzz> sure, infact I did escape only the necessary... but still it is not nice :)
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  444. # [18:08] <DougM> @tobie what's the doc channel?
  445. # [18:08] <@tobie> DougM: I have no idea what you're talking about. :(
  446. # [18:09] <@tobie> DougM: I'd love to help but I'm rather useless.
  447. # [18:09] <@tobie> shepazu isn't around (W3CConf)
  448. # [18:10] <DougM> @tobie thanks -- the wp docs team has a call on fridays, and last week they had me switch to a more specific irc channel
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  450. # [18:10] <@tobie> DougM: oh, yeah. No idea, I'm afraid.
  451. # [18:10] <@tobie> lmclister: hey Larry
  452. # [18:11] <lmclister> tobie: hey Tobie
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  458. # [18:18] <@Garbee> The room for telcons is #webplatform-site.
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  460. # [18:19] <@Garbee> We may not be doing a telcon today.
  461. # [18:19] <@Garbee> Due to the conf.
  462. # [18:19] <@Garbee> Most people are there.
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