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  166. # [11:24] <nbglink> Hi all )
  167. # [11:24] <nbglink> Hi all :)
  168. # [11:25] <@fr0zenice> hi!
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  311. # [21:11] <gotwig> hey there
  312. # [21:11] <gotwig> whats wrong with w3schools? http://w3fools.com/
  313. # [21:13] <@fr0zenice> exactly what is writen there
  314. # [21:13] <@fr0zenice> *written
  315. # [21:13] <gotwig> well
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  317. # [21:13] <gotwig> the facts are a big strange
  318. # [21:13] <gotwig> like saying, professional web developers dont use WYSIWYG editors..
  319. # [21:14] <gotwig> of course it make things easier
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  335. # [21:37] <@Garbee> gotwig, Can you point to a strange fact on w3fools.com?
  336. # [21:37] <gotwig> Garbee: saying that using wyiwyg is a strange method for professionals
  337. # [21:38] <gotwig> The example above will work in most browsers, but don't rely on it. Forgetting the end tag can produce unexpected results or errors.
  338. # [21:38] <gotwig> This is still wrong. The example uses <p> tags, which are one of the few exceptions where a closing tag is optional.
  339. # [21:38] <gotwig> that is also just a strange fact
  340. # [21:38] <@Garbee> Well, that is pointed more to the level of Dreamweaver, where it is known to have produced code that you then had to go work around.
  341. # [21:38] <gotwig> of course it can produce unexpected results of errors, when you remove the end tag
  342. # [21:39] <gotwig> it CAN not that it does
  343. # [21:39] <@Garbee> How is leaving a </p> off a strange fact?
  344. # [21:39] <gotwig> When you save an HTML file, you can use either the .htm or the .html file extension. We use .htm in our examples. It is a habit from the past, when the software only allowed three letters in file extensions. With new software it is perfectly safe to use .html
  345. # [21:39] <gotwig> Garbee: it says that if you forget the end tag, it may be not good
  346. # [21:39] <gotwig> not good practise
  347. # [21:40] <gotwig> the .htm html thing is also just super strange
  348. # [21:40] <gotwig> w3schools did not specify the OS
  349. # [21:40] <gotwig> and now w3fools say that unix never had problems with it
  350. # [21:40] <gotwig> who cares
  351. # [21:41] <@Garbee> gotwig, Yes. W3fools is *pointing* the error of W3Schools out.
  352. # [21:41] <gotwig> not error
  353. # [21:41] <gotwig> missing information
  354. # [21:41] <gotwig> *the* software
  355. # [21:42] <@Garbee> gotwig, Do you see it is crossed out? That means w3schools updated their information.
  356. # [21:43] <@Garbee> Which means the argument you see is referencing data that is no longer present.
  357. # [21:43] <gotwig> it isnt perfect..
  358. # [21:43] <@Garbee> So you aren't seeing what was being pointed out as wrong, just what made it wrong.
  359. # [21:43] <gotwig> the mozilla wiki is maybe better
  360. # [21:44] <gotwig> webplatform is an alternative to w3schools right?
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  363. # [21:44] <gotwig> but not for every case
  364. # [21:44] <@Garbee> WPD is an alternative to the web development parts of W3Schools.
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  366. # [21:44] <@Garbee> Right now it isn't finished, so don't expect a 1-to-1 article.
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  368. # [21:50] <gotwig> Garbee: I also expect info about SQL
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  370. # [22:01] <@Garbee> SQL, PHP, and related technologies are not a web standard. Further those are server-side technologies. WPD focuses on standardized front-end web technologies (and eventually a little bit about the protocol specifications.)
  371. # [22:02] <@Garbee> SQL, PHP, Ruby, etc. can all be as popular as they want, but they aren't standard. We are focusing on standards. The communities for the other technologies can maintain their own documentation.
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  374. # [22:05] <gotwig> SQL is a standard
  375. # [22:05] <gotwig> lol
  376. # [22:07] <@Garbee> By the W3?
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