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  353. # [17:40] <Gismosoz> hi
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  355. # [17:42] <David_Bradbury> Howdy
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  359. # [17:46] <zachasme> So I was wondering how the content structure is designed and chosen. Right now, there doesn't seem to be a clear topic separation, just a vague set of sometimes overlapping categories (ie the HTML5 APIs which are accessible from the frontpage through both javascript/html/apis)...
  360. # [17:46] <zachasme> Or am I missing something?
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  373. # [18:07] <Gismosoz> Thats how I see it too
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  377. # [18:12] <zachasme> So how would one go on about proposing, discussing and settling on a content structure? Should I make a wikipage under the WPD: namespace? Make bug report? There doesn't seem to be talk pages on the wiki, and I fail to find instructions for how to make decisions with the community. I don't even know how much WPD wants the public to be involved in this.. Could someone shed some light on this? :)
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  379. # [18:15] <@Garbee> zachasme, Mailing List would be the best place atm.
  380. # [18:15] <@Garbee> I think we have the architecture figured out though, we just need to figure out how translations are going to work exactly.
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  382. # [18:16] <@Garbee> API arch though they are still discussing as things come up.
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  384. # [18:17] <@Garbee> Also things not being clear right now are due to things from the import still not having been moved/merged around.
  385. # [18:20] <zachasme> Oh cool, thanks. Has the arch been written down somewhere, in case one would like to help with moving/merging?
  386. # [18:21] <@Garbee> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:Editors_Guide/Topic_Hierarchy ---The current state of things. Although, I do need to move it out of Meta:
  387. # [18:21] <@Garbee> So expect that to get moved later today. It should be a part of the editor's guide. It was moved out with an update for some reason.
  388. # [18:22] <@Garbee> This gives a slightly more insane view, but also slightly outdated: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Architecture
  389. # [18:23] <@Garbee> 'I'm going to update that page later with the new arch and possibly with a little more detail in certain areas to make it clear how things will be structured. Like deciding if something is a CSS tutorial or a general tutorial. (Should be pretty obvioius, but you never know sometimes.)
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  397. # [18:29] <zachasme> That's exactly what I was looking for. The only (albeit major) issue I see, is that there is no clear home for HTML5 API's documentation, is this decided in this "new arch"? I'll be sure to check it later today or tomorrow. :) On a side note, what purposes does the meta and wpd namespaces serve, or at least how do they differ?
  398. # [18:29] <Gismosoz> I am new to web developement is the webpage accurate enough to learn from the beginning since it is alpha?
  399. # [18:30] <@Garbee> HTML5 API? Where is that in the spec?
  400. # [18:31] <@Garbee> Gismosoz, Navigation will be rough and the Beginners Guide is pretty dated (I am working on a new one though.) So just know there is extra cruft in places of information that you don't really need to know. Other than that things should be fairly usable.
  401. # [18:32] <@Garbee> zachasme, Do you mean Javascript?
  402. # [18:32] <zachasme> Sorry, I simply meant the API's introduced with the HTML5 spec, like the File Access API, WebSockets API, etc.
  403. # [18:32] <@Garbee> Those are JS.
  404. # [18:34] <Gismosoz> lol i spend much time on the beginners guide
  405. # [18:34] <Gismosoz> for nothing ;p
  406. # [18:35] <Gismosoz> where should I look?
  407. # [18:35] <@Garbee> See: http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-websockets-20091222/ -- Depends upon HTML5, but is not a part of HTML5 itself.
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  411. # [18:35] <@Garbee> The beginners guide is a good starting poing, just right now it has things like "X was in HTMl4, but in HTML5 it means Y" which is just cruft and needs to be removed.
  412. # [18:35] <Gismosoz> I started at w3schools then i got to w3fools which said w3schools is not good and they linked me to here and this place is alpha so where i can go now? ;p
  413. # [18:36] <@Garbee> MDN is another place.
  414. # [18:36] <@Garbee> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/
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  418. # [18:37] <zachasme> Garbee, yes they are indeed JS APIs. But some APIs are related to the DOM, some are completely unrelated to HTML. Right now there is the category "APIs" but also separate categories for DOM/HTML/JS. So should the API be put under the specific area they work in (and JS if they are not related to DOM/HTML), or under the main API category?
  419. # [18:38] <@Garbee> zachasme, You need to send an email to the ML and get a response from someone who knows more on the APIs then I do. ;)
  420. # [18:38] <zachasme> Right on. Will do. Thanks for the input Garbee :)
  421. # [18:38] <@Garbee> I'm not that kind of a developer. ;)
  422. # [18:38] <@Garbee> So sorry, but I just don't know.
  423. # [18:39] <zachasme> No problem. The mailing list seems the way to go.
  424. # [18:39] <@Garbee> But, if you bring it up I will make sure I kick someone to add it to the arch page.
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  429. # [18:46] <@Garbee> shepazu, Talk about something that has never been used... http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Bugzilla_Guidelines
  430. # [18:46] <@Garbee> haha
  431. # [18:46] <@Garbee> Woops.
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  442. # [18:59] <@ravenzz> isn't the Beginner Guide a port of the Chris' Web Standards Curriculum
  443. # [18:59] <@ravenzz> ?
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  449. # [19:07] <@ravenzz> Gismosoz if you are unsure about the Beginners Guide you can start from here http://www.w3.org/community/webed/wiki/Main_Page also http://html5doctor.com and http://eloquentjavascript.net (for javascript)
  450. # [19:07] <@ravenzz> see you in few months :D
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  452. # [19:09] <@ravenzz> #html #css and #javascript are there for you btw
  453. # [19:12] <@Garbee> ravenzz, Whether it is a part of that or not I'm working on it. Also where is info on the WSC?
  454. # [19:13] <@Garbee> We should add it to the WSC wiki page when the new info is online and has been reviewed.
  455. # [19:14] <Gismosoz> thanks ravvenzz
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  457. # [19:15] <@ravenzz> Garbee the old one was hosted by opera, then (almost) everything was moved to the W3C webed wiki. That's all I know
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  462. # [19:23] <@Garbee> ravenzz, Which explains the current state of it...
  463. # [19:23] <@Garbee> ;)
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  465. # [19:25] <Gismosoz> the w3c wiki is very similar to what i've read on welplatform so it wasnt wasted time ;)
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