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  1. # Session Start: Fri May 17 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #webplatform
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  6. # [00:22] <@Garbee> webpro, No, this is the right room.
  7. # [00:23] <@Garbee> #webplatform-site is used only during telcons for the most part.
  8. # [00:24] <@Garbee> krit, The separate room was initially made right after launch. There was *a lot* of noise in this room, so a handful of us who really wanted to focus our conversation on the docs went to another room. Now it is only used for telcons to keep telcon chat (i.e. transcripts) separate from the main room.
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  10. # [00:24] <krit1> Garbee: k
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  12. # [00:25] <@Garbee> oops. That shouldn't be the room mentioned in the post...
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  14. # [00:29] <@Garbee> webpro, Do you need any help with contributing to WPD?
  15. # [00:36] <webpro> Garbee: yeah I was looking for some coordination, but tbh i'm more interested in some more generic topics ("Concepts") than in the current batch of CSS properties
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  18. # [00:38] <@Garbee> Sure. First off don't worry about not going with the current flow that is going on. Anywhere you want to contribute, do so (as long as it is in scope.)
  19. # [00:38] <webpro> what is "in scope"?
  20. # [00:39] <@Garbee> Front-end web tech which is at least working to become a standard.
  21. # [00:39] <@Garbee> i.e. No PHP/SQL stuff.
  22. # [00:39] <@Garbee> Or Ruby.
  23. # [00:40] <@Garbee> Second, on coordination that is something that we are still working on figuring out.
  24. # [00:40] <webpro> how about concepts such as progressive enhancement, responsive web design, templating, single-page interface, architecture, mvc, ...?
  25. # [00:40] <@Garbee> Yup, all that is in-scope.
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  27. # [00:41] <@Garbee> As long as it is something that can be used in the front-end web (W3C Standards) it is good to be documented, especially concepts.
  28. # [00:41] <@Garbee> We are even considering adding tooling documentation at some point.
  29. # [00:41] <webpro> then let's take the first one: progressive enhancement, where would i start?
  30. # [00:42] <@Garbee> even though PHP, SQL, Ruby, and an abundance of other languages and tech are *huge* to the web, we simply can't facilitate documenting all of it.
  31. # [00:42] <@Garbee> Doing a quick search for that, I already see some content for it. http://docs.webplatform.org/w/index.php?search=progressive%20enhancement
  32. # [00:43] <@Garbee> So, the first thing we need to do is decide where it should go within the docs.
  33. # [00:43] <@Garbee> It should go under a section of concepts I think.
  34. # [00:43] <@Garbee> so, there already is http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/concepts/progressive_enhancement which is a stub.
  35. # [00:44] <@Garbee> So that would be a great page to improve with what you feel appropriate.
  36. # [00:44] <webpro> OK that's clear :-)
  37. # [00:45] <webpro> what's the process re. drafts, reviewing?
  38. # [00:45] <@Garbee> There is no official process.
  39. # [00:45] <webpro> can i just "save" and publish to "production"?
  40. # [00:45] <@Garbee> So what I would do is just think up what I'd like to write, and put it in the page as headings for an outline first.
  41. # [00:45] <@Garbee> Yup, every edit is instantly live.
  42. # [00:46] <@Garbee> (Although you *may* need to wait for the varnish cache to refresh or drop it using the refresh link under the "edit" submenu)
  43. # [00:46] <@Garbee> Doing an outline first means you have a reminder of what is needed and if someone else wants to jump in and help they can have an idea of what is going on.
  44. # [00:47] <webpro> yeah, clear
  45. # [00:47] <webpro> can I create a new topic/page?
  46. # [00:47] <@Garbee> http://project.webplatform.org/content/issues/41 --This is an example issue of how we are *trying* to use our project management system to organize *large* content edits/additions.
  47. # [00:47] <@Garbee> Yea, for creating new pages though, use http://docs.webplatform.org/WPD:New_Page
  48. # [00:48] <@Garbee> wiki/WPD:New_Page *
  49. # [00:48] <@Garbee> That will put any content added in our template/form system.
  50. # [00:49] <webpro> cool
  51. # [00:49] <webpro> and pages can be moved if placed in the wrong section?
  52. # [00:50] <@Garbee> yea. Move by just using the normal MediaWiki move process.
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  58. # [00:51] <@Garbee> I do encourage you (if you want to take the time to do so) to write up a goal for the section of content and an outline. Put that into the project management system and then shoot an email into the ML asking for feedback on it. -- ML information at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/
  59. # [00:52] <@Garbee> That way you can try to get some feedback from others on what is going on before doing all of the writing. While waiting for feedback though, just start chugging ahead on your writing.
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  64. # [00:52] <webpro> what does it mean to put it into the PM system? just "save"?
  65. # [00:55] <@Garbee> PM system = Project Management system, that is our software at http://project.webplatform.org
  66. # [00:56] <@Garbee> Sadly, that has a secondary account from MediaWiki. :(
  67. # [00:56] <@Garbee> But, it does have OpenID support, so that should help ease the pain of another account.
  68. # [00:57] <@Garbee> You need to have an account to open issues outside of the project for the PM software. Specifically an issue for content additions would go under the Content project. http://project.webplatform.org/content
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  70. # [01:04] <webpro> thanks Garbee, def interested in contributing
  71. # [01:05] <webpro> but it's 1AM here so i call it a day
  72. # [01:05] <@Garbee> hehe, Thanks for helping out!
  73. # [01:05] <@Garbee> Enjoy your sleep.
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  314. # [10:48] <andreio> hi. i'm working on the webplatform docs and i ran into an issue. if anyone has a moment to discuss it's mostly css related
  315. # [10:53] <@ravenzz> andreio hi
  316. # [10:53] <@ravenzz> what is it about?
  317. # [10:55] <andreio> this link http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/ms530797(v=vs.85).aspx specifies that ul/ol should not have margin-left set to 0 or else the list-style-type will be clipped. But this is not the case, see here: http://code.webplatform.org/gist/5597612 The paragraph appears on the webplatform docs.
  318. # [11:02] <@ravenzz> andreio yeah because the list-style-position initial value is outside
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  320. # [11:03] <@ravenzz> andreio see http://code.webplatform.org/gist/5597904
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  322. # [11:04] <@ravenzz> andreio anyway ul/ol can have its margin-left value set to 0
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  324. # [11:06] <andreio> ok. so should the information be there as a note? (might disappear if you don't use padding..) first of all msdn says its related to the margin property but it's actually padding.
  325. # [11:06] <@ravenzz> yeah that's wrong
  326. # [11:06] <@ravenzz> I wouldn't see disappear though
  327. # [11:07] <andreio> ok. thanks :)
  328. # [11:08] <@ravenzz> just point out that the list-style-position initial (default) value is outside therefore the bullets are drawn outside the element so they might be clipped off.
  329. # [11:09] <@ravenzz> when the list or its parent has overflow: hidden for example
  330. # [11:10] <@ravenzz> andreio I am pretty sure your english is better than mine :)
  331. # [11:12] <andreio> haha no problem, that's a good idea. i'll make a dabblet example with both cases.
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  333. # [11:13] <@ravenzz> cool
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