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  156. # [13:13] <mike5w3c> for the HTML element reference, is there a template? Or at least a page for an element that's fairly complete?
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  161. # [13:24] <@chrismills> mike5w3c: I filled in this page in great detail a while ago, as a kind of test piece. http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/dl
  162. # [13:24] <mike5w3c> chrismills: hey man
  163. # [13:24] <mike5w3c> thanks
  164. # [13:25] <@chrismills> that could maybe be useful for a template, or at least a value prototype
  165. # [13:25] <mike5w3c> I am thinking about spending some time porting over content from http://dev.w3.org/html5/markup/
  166. # [13:25] <mike5w3c> ok
  167. # [13:25] <@chrismills> righty? Cool.
  168. # [13:25] <@chrismills> Lemme know if you need any help
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  170. # [13:28] <@ravenzz> chrismills shouldn't elements be categorized in block-level and inline-level instead of referring to the CSS display value?
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  172. # [13:29] <@chrismills> ravenzz: I can see where you're going with your thinking. The only thing is that HTML5 introduces all these terms like phrasing elements, etc. So just thinking of them as block or inline is a bit out of date almost.
  173. # [13:29] <@chrismills> but even so
  174. # [13:29] <@ravenzz> ah I see
  175. # [13:30] <@chrismills> the original problem you are taling about perhaps still stands
  176. # [13:30] <@chrismills> talking*
  177. # [13:30] <@ravenzz> you're right though "The distinction of block-level vs. inline elements is used in HTML specifications up to 4.01. In HTML5, this binary distinction is replaced with a more complex set of content categories. The "block-level" category roughly corresponds to the category of flow content in HTML5, while "inline" corresponds to phrasing content, but there are additional categories."
  178. # [13:30] * @ravenzz is a bit out of date
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  180. # [13:31] <@chrismills> ravenzz uh huh ;-)
  181. # [13:31] <@chrismills> my guess was good ;-)
  182. # [13:33] <@ravenzz> indeed I have been referring to the flow and phrasing content tables when reading the specs but I missed the connection with the old distinction
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  185. # [13:39] <mike5w3c> "Show preview" seems to just be hanging for me
  186. # [13:40] <mike5w3c> nm
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  188. # [13:40] <mike5w3c> it's working now
  189. # [13:57] <@chrismills> mike5w3c: ah, good good
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  195. # [14:29] <mike5w3c> chrismills: OK, I added some subsections do the <dl> page. Please lemme know what you think
  196. # [14:29] <mike5w3c> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/dl#Permitted_contents
  197. # [14:29] <mike5w3c> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/dl#Permitted_attributes
  198. # [14:30] <mike5w3c> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/dl#Tag_omission
  199. # [14:30] <mike5w3c> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/dl#Permitted_parent_elements
  200. # [14:30] <@chrismills> mike5w3c: very useful - these look great
  201. # [14:31] <mike5w3c> OK, I made the existing text content there into a titled subsection
  202. # [14:31] <mike5w3c> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/dl#Details
  203. # [14:31] <mike5w3c> I don't know if "Details" is the right title or not
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  206. # [14:33] <mike5w3c> also, it seems a bit odd to me that the generated title what is called the "Main Content" section in the editing UI ends up being "Overview Table" in the rendered view
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  208. # [14:38] <@chrismills> mike5w3c: yup, there are still some weird things about it
  209. # [14:38] <mike5w3c> OK
  210. # [14:38] <@chrismills> perhaps drop a mail to the list, or submit a bug to the project?
  211. # [14:38] <mike5w3c> hai
  212. # [14:39] <@chrismills> http://project.webplatform.org/
  213. # [14:39] <mike5w3c> thanks
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  224. # [15:15] <@Garbee> shepazu, Wow, check this out: http://xing.github.io/wysihtml5/
  225. # [15:15] <@Garbee> Audio input.
  226. # [15:15] <@Garbee> Which on Chrome is pretty accurate.
  227. # [15:16] <@Garbee> :( Not for Firefox.
  228. # [15:21] <mike5w3c> why do pages sometimes show the table of contents on the right, and other times not?
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  238. # [16:02] <mike5w3c> chrismills: when you have a chance, please take a look again at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/elements/dl and lemme know if you think it's an improvement
  239. # [16:02] <mike5w3c> moved the Permitted* stuff to a table
  240. # [16:02] <mike5w3c> a la https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/dl
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  370. # [20:32] <Megs> Hello… It's been years since I've used a chat room so I'm just dipping my toe in to 'test the waters' after browsing the Webplatform site.
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  372. # [20:38] <dbazuin> Hi Megs hope the water is not to cold :-)
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  378. # [20:38] <Megs> Thanks. It's a bit quiet in here. I feel as though I may be out of place in here as a learner instead of a developer.
  379. # [20:39] <@Garbee> Having learners around is great. You get to tell us where we are failing!
  380. # [20:40] <dbazuin> true
  381. # [20:40] <dbazuin> we alre all learners anyway
  382. # [20:40] <dbazuin> nobody knows it all
  383. # [20:40] <Megs> My driving curiosity for being here is continued education. I've got a semi-basic hold on HTML and I'm going to be using WebPlatform to strengthen that and build on my CSS knowledge.
  384. # [20:40] <@Garbee> CSS... http://css-tricks.com
  385. # [20:40] <@Garbee> Great stuff there.
  386. # [20:41] <dbazuin> http://www.codecademy.com/
  387. # [20:41] <dbazuin> great place for learning web stuff for free
  388. # [20:41] <@ravenzz> mh
  389. # [20:41] <Megs> In the meantime, I'm trying to work with my client as they've offered to help. But if I go learn for free I have no course cost so I'm taking my time into consideration.
  390. # [20:41] <Megs> Thank you for the references - checking them out now
  391. # [20:42] <@ravenzz> from the bottom of my experience :) I'd say that IRC is the best place for learning web stuff
  392. # [20:42] <@ravenzz> for free
  393. # [20:42] <dbazuin> ravenzz: irc is great for single questions
  394. # [20:42] <@Garbee> #css, #html, #html5 for stuff specific to that (although I don't really agree with having two separate rooms now.), #web. Four good rooms to lurk in.
  395. # [20:42] <@ravenzz> dbazuin you got to learn one single question at the time
  396. # [20:43] <dbazuin> but for complete curse in css, html or js there si nothing beter a course
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  398. # [20:43] <@ravenzz> codecademy and csstricks sometimes come up with bad practices
  399. # [20:43] <@Garbee> ravenzz, Everything does.
  400. # [20:43] <@Garbee> Nothing is 100% best practice.
  401. # [20:44] <dbazuin> and thta can happen on irc to
  402. # [20:44] <@Garbee> Because best practices can change depending on the needs of the project or/and/are are highly controversial in the first place.
  403. # [20:44] <@ravenzz> I went from behing a CSS noob to a mid-to-high (i think) level one thanks to IRC
  404. # [20:44] <dbazuin> yes but css it not that complicated
  405. # [20:45] <@Garbee> dbazuin, hahaha.
  406. # [20:45] <@Garbee> You are still at newb level then. ;)
  407. # [20:45] <Megs> all that learning from questions?
  408. # [20:45] <@Garbee> You will eat those words one day.
  409. # [20:45] <dbazuin> do it about 15 year yes still a newby :-)
  410. # [20:45] <@Garbee> Wow really? that long.
  411. # [20:45] <@Garbee> Layouts suck!
  412. # [20:45] <@ravenzz> Megs yeah and people correcting me and linking me the correct resources
  413. # [20:45] <@ravenzz> or learning material
  414. # [20:45] <@Garbee> Except for this new grid stuff and Flexbox.
  415. # [20:45] * dbazuin started back when thee was no css
  416. # [20:45] <@ravenzz> and passion of course
  417. # [20:46] <@Garbee> dbazuin, /me feels sorry for you.
  418. # [20:46] <dbazuin> hahaha
  419. # [20:46] <@Garbee> Layouts are the bane of CSS right now.
  420. # [20:46] <dbazuin> those where the days
  421. # [20:46] <@Garbee> They are the worst thing.
  422. # [20:46] <@Garbee> After that, the "worst" stuff just looks complicated and is only flash (like transformations.)
  423. # [20:46] <dbazuin> Drupal now
  424. # [20:47] <@Garbee> Laravel > Drupal.
  425. # [20:47] <@Garbee> However, that is a bit unfair.
  426. # [20:48] <dbazuin> there a many way's to build a site now
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  428. # [20:49] <dbazuin> Drupal is certenly not the worst
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  430. # [20:51] <@Garbee> Due to Laravel being purely a framework, I'm now building an admin area to it.
  431. # [20:51] <Megs> so if I mention wordpress how much crap would I get for it? :)
  432. # [20:51] <@Garbee> I prefer that over Drupal tbh. But, then again this is something for private use and isn't meant to be used by others.
  433. # [20:51] <dbazuin> not from me
  434. # [20:52] <dbazuin> Wordpress is ok and has his purpose
  435. # [20:52] <@Garbee> Megs, Not much unless someone is really over themselves.
  436. # [20:52] <@Garbee> Just keep it updated.
  437. # [20:52] <Megs> Glad to hear it.
  438. # [20:52] <@Garbee> Anything you use, keep it updated.
  439. # [20:52] <@Garbee> We actually use Wordpress for the WPD blog currently.
  440. # [20:52] <dbazuin> that goed for Drupal as well
  441. # [20:53] <dbazuin> and any other cms or framework
  442. # [20:53] <@Garbee> Yup.
  443. # [20:54] <@Garbee> Wordpress like MediaWiki is old and used by *many*. So they are built to allow for the most possible PHP versions. Therefore may seem unorthadox in methods if you are used to systems for newer PHP versions only.
  444. # [20:55] <@Garbee> But, they have their place for use just like any other good piece of software.
  445. # [20:55] <@Garbee> is/are up there after Mediawiki.
  446. # [20:55] <Megs> So, last question I guess based on this chat room, I will keep some of the specific rooms in mind based on a question I have - html or css etc - but what is the norm for basing questions on this room or is it more general web development chat?
  447. # [20:56] <dbazuin> Megs if you go to the css room be carefull the are not a very polite bunc there :-)
  448. # [20:56] <@Garbee> We try to stick to WPD Documentation related stuff, but we can also get sidetracked to that end too...
  449. # [20:56] <@Garbee> Yea, #html too.
  450. # [20:56] <@Garbee> they are very strict in topic.
  451. # [20:56] <@Garbee> *very*
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  453. # [20:57] <@Garbee> #web is an awesome room for just general web chatter. Anything and everything goes pretty much.
  454. # [20:57] <Megs> awesome. You guys have been super helpful to get the ball rolling for me. I really appreciate it.
  455. # [20:59] <@Garbee> np, enjoy your adventures.
  456. # [20:59] <dbazuin> np
  457. # [21:00] <dbazuin> enjoy
  458. # [21:00] <Megs> thanks. catch ya later.
  459. # [21:00] <dbazuin> Megs one more http://www.codeschool.com/
  460. # [21:01] <Megs> oh good, thanks
  461. # [21:01] <dbazuin> not free but very very good
  462. # [21:01] <Megs> I'm ok with not free, actually. It's something I can pass to the client
  463. # [21:01] <dbazuin> try the freee css course
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  465. # [21:02] <dbazuin> wow a client that pays for a course
  466. # [21:02] <dbazuin> thats new for me
  467. # [21:02] <Megs> I'm a VA and they want to use me for more things and I need to expound my knowledge. Plus, they are great clients.
  468. # [21:03] <@Garbee> Sounds like it.
  469. # [21:03] * @Garbee is in VA too btw.
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  471. # [21:03] <@Garbee> Down by Lynchburg.
  472. # [21:03] <Megs> haha no.. actually I'm from Chicago but living in Costa Rica
  473. # [21:03] <Megs> but I'm a virtual assistant
  474. # [21:03] <dbazuin> VA?
  475. # [21:03] <@Garbee> Oh, *a* not *in*.
  476. # [21:03] <@Garbee> That is what i get for reading too much PHP in a day.
  477. # [21:03] <Megs> yup
  478. # [21:04] <dbazuin> nice
  479. # [21:04] <@Garbee> Maybe I should take a break...
  480. # [21:04] <Megs> It's not bad. Can't complain
  481. # [21:04] <@Garbee> No.
  482. # [21:04] <dbazuin> I am In The netherlands
  483. # [21:04] <@Garbee> Assistant as in teacher or tech support?
  484. # [21:04] <Megs> I spent 3 months several years ago in Breda
  485. # [21:04] <@Garbee> If I had to do remote tech support all day I'd scream.
  486. # [21:04] <dbazuin> nice
  487. # [21:05] <dbazuin> Breda is nice city
  488. # [21:05] <Megs> Tech support, admin, event planning.. anything that is within my reach.
  489. # [21:05] <Megs> but I don't work all day. I'm p/t
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  491. # [21:05] <dbazuin> looks like you live the dream Megs?
  492. # [21:06] <Megs> dbazuin: tryin to!
  493. # [21:06] <dbazuin> and where are your clients
  494. # [21:07] <Megs> USA. Having them from my home country is easiest on taxes and business logistics
  495. # [21:07] <dbazuin> ok
  496. # [21:08] <Megs> I need to get back to work now. Thanks again for the suggestions and help.
  497. # [21:09] <dbazuin> ok have a nice day
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