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  1. # Session Start: Sun Dec 15 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #webplatform
  3. # [00:00] <renoirb> I thought that the 5xx class error in fastly would have that one too.
  4. # [00:00] <renoirb> anyway
  5. # [00:00] <eliezerb> ohh yeah
  6. # [00:00] <SynDaKit> renoirb , I'm still pretty new and all, I started looking at programming in high school about 5 years ago, but haven't really delved into it until now that I'm in college. I just love getting lost in the lines and lines of code and knowing I can make something that a lot of people might not understand how it was made off the top of their head....
  7. # [00:00] <eliezerb> The 500 has
  8. # [00:01] <SynDaKit> Also, I'm super anxious that I'm going to say something really dumb and embarrassing.
  9. # [00:01] <renoirb> Yeah, programming is like magic
  10. # [00:02] <eliezerb> SynDaKit, don't be :D
  11. # [00:02] <renoirb> If people are acting like dicks with you because of your knowledge (or lack).. they are just not worth your attention.
  12. # [00:02] <eliezerb> Everyone here is learning
  13. # [00:02] <SynDaKit> Woo. :)
  14. # [00:02] <renoirb> Do your best, its all that matters to you
  15. # [00:02] <renoirb> sure
  16. # [00:02] <eliezerb> Try to be better than youserlf
  17. # [00:02] <eliezerb> This is what really matters
  18. # [00:03] <eliezerb> So, if you look to your yesterday and see that you evolve
  19. # [00:03] <eliezerb> Then you are a winner
  20. # [00:03] <SynDaKit> why do you both have a b at the end of your names?
  21. # [00:03] <eliezerb> We are brothers
  22. # [00:03] <@frozenice> :D
  23. # [00:04] <eliezerb> lol
  24. # [00:04] <SynDaKit> cool. lol
  25. # [00:04] <@frozenice> bros
  26. # [00:04] <eliezerb> Just kidding
  27. # [00:04] <SynDaKit> damn... I believed it.
  28. # [00:04] <eliezerb> Both last names starts with B
  29. # [00:04] <renoirb> hahaha
  30. # [00:05] <renoirb> My full name is Renoir Boulanger
  31. # [00:05] <renoirb> My Github, Twitter, Facebook, Unix user, short domain name, etc, is 'renoirb'
  32. # [00:06] <SynDaKit> I think I'm gonna get a new nickname
  33. # [00:07] <eliezerb> What is your name SynDaKit ?
  34. # [00:07] <SynDaKit> I want one that goes with my real name, but is clever too
  35. # [00:07] <SynDaKit> my first name is Andrew... I was thinking Andronymous.
  36. # [00:07] <SynDaKit> lol
  37. # [00:07] <@frozenice> haha
  38. # [00:07] * SynDaKit is now known as Andronymous
  39. # [00:08] <Andronymous> doing it
  40. # [00:08] <@frozenice> I would associate that with Android, though
  41. # [00:08] <eliezerb> Me too frozenice
  42. # [00:08] <Andronymous> Well, good, I just started looking at making android apps. :P
  43. # [00:08] <@frozenice> :D
  44. # [00:08] <Andronymous> It's a mix of Andrew, Androgynous and Anonymous... for the record.
  45. # [00:08] <Andronymous> maybe it isn't as clever as I thought...
  46. # [00:09] <Andronymous> it's funny that it has anonymous in it, but also supposed to contain part of my first name though...
  47. # [00:09] <Andronymous> I'm torn.
  48. # [00:10] <Andronymous> it's funny, cuz renoirb sounds so familiar...
  49. # [00:10] <Andronymous> are you on SomethingAwful at all?
  50. # [00:13] <renoirb> what do you mean familiar?
  51. # [00:13] <renoirb> Oh, yeah, I have the first name of a famous painter family name :/
  52. # [00:13] <Andronymous> like I've seen it before.
  53. # [00:13] <renoirb> :)
  54. # [00:13] <Andronymous> lol
  55. # [00:14] <Andronymous> I thought I saw it in a Dota 2 IRC once, but I guess not.
  56. # [00:14] <Andronymous> :P
  57. # [00:14] <Andronymous> or maybe it just wasn't you.
  58. # [00:14] <renoirb> probably not, Dota 2 IRC, I do not know what it is
  59. # [00:14] <renoirb> Before starting contributing to WebPlatform, I stopped using IRC in 2002
  60. # [00:15] <renoirb> And at that time, I wasn't using my real name
  61. # [00:15] <renoirb> nowadays... meh!
  62. # [00:15] <Andronymous> Dota 2 is a video game. :P
  63. # [00:15] <Andronymous> lol
  64. # [00:15] <renoirb> I stopped playing video games too.
  65. # [00:15] <renoirb> I only code, and play with servers. Since 2002
  66. # [00:15] <Andronymous> lol
  67. # [00:16] <Andronymous> coding and playing with servers since 2002, renoirb trademark.
  68. # [00:16] <renoirb> I started earlier, but i mean professionally.
  69. # [00:16] <renoirb> hahaha
  70. # [00:19] <Andronymous> I was 7 in 2002. :P
  71. # [00:21] <renoirb> shepazu: is even older
  72. # [00:22] <@shepazu> much older
  73. # [00:22] <eliezerb> lol
  74. # [00:22] <renoirb> hahaha! I woke him up! :)
  75. # [00:22] <Andronymous> I can't imagine not playing some sort of games every now and then, but I have been cutting back in lieu of coding.
  76. # [00:22] <Andronymous> lol
  77. # [00:22] <Andronymous> way to go
  78. # [00:22] <eliezerb> much experient
  79. # [00:22] <@frozenice> let the old man sleep!
  80. # [00:23] <renoirb> Andronymous: that's what I did when I finished highschool.
  81. # [00:24] <renoirb> My friends were spending so much time in front of their games while I was levelling up.
  82. # [00:24] <renoirb> After two years, I was able to build from the ground up computer beige boxes for them while they had no idea about anything
  83. # [00:25] <Andronymous> You trapped them in beige boxes while they were playing video games?
  84. # [00:25] <Andronymous> That's mean.
  85. # [00:26] <renoirb> Hey, in 2000, that's all we had
  86. # [00:26] <renoirb> A 500Gb hard drive was 500$ CDN
  87. # [00:26] <renoirb> oh, sorry
  88. # [00:26] <renoirb> 5Gb
  89. # [00:27] <Andronymous> lol
  90. # [00:27] <Andronymous> Don't suppose I can change my username on WPD now, huh?
  91. # [00:27] <Andronymous> That's what you all were abbreviating earlier, I assume...
  92. # [00:27] <renoirb> I was listening to radio with my tape deck, and hitting record when my favourite song was passing on air.
  93. # [00:28] <Andronymous> good times...
  94. # [00:28] <Andronymous> If only I were there... lol
  95. # [00:28] <@shepazu> now is much more interesting
  96. # [00:28] <Andronymous> but, nah, I'm happy with the generation of technology I'm in. :)
  97. # [00:28] <renoirb> Uhm, actually I think it is possible, but I would need to search for that
  98. # [00:28] <renoirb> Worse case, just create a new account.
  99. # [00:28] <Andronymous> I'll fix it some other time then.
  100. # [00:28] <eliezerb> renoirb, I did the same, about the tapes!
  101. # [00:28] <renoirb> hahaha
  102. # [00:28] <Andronymous> I gotta go. :P bye guys. fun chat. :)
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  104. # [00:29] <eliezerb> It's been a long time since I saw a long conversation round here
  105. # [00:29] <renoirb> indeed
  106. # [00:31] <@Garbee> cya renoirb.
  107. # [00:31] <@Garbee> :P
  108. # [00:31] <renoirb> Hey Garbee you are back
  109. # [00:32] <@Garbee> Yea. Had to wait for a dudes ride to pick him up.
  110. # [00:32] <@Garbee> Too cold and rainy to leave him waiting outside for them.
  111. # [00:32] <@Garbee> ah, Andronymous just left.
  112. # [00:32] <@Garbee> We would have to change names manually in the DB.
  113. # [00:33] <@Garbee> There is no GUI method built in. Although there is most likely a plugin for it.
  114. # [00:33] <@frozenice> MW doesn't like changing names I feel
  115. # [00:33] <@Garbee> However I'd rather we try to minimize extensions being added until we decide on the future architecture.
  116. # [00:33] <@Garbee> frozenice, Most relations should be done via ID's. So a username change shouldn't be a big issue.
  117. # [00:34] <@Garbee> It doesn't like *deleting* people at all.
  118. # [00:34] <@frozenice> yeah :p
  119. # [00:34] <@Garbee> oh no.
  120. # [00:34] <@Garbee> Bureaucrats can change usernames.
  121. # [00:34] <@Garbee> So, not us. :P
  122. # [00:34] <@Garbee> Only the steward guys and renoir can.
  123. # [00:35] <@frozenice> <- too
  124. # [00:35] <@Garbee> You're bureaucrat?
  125. # [00:35] <@frozenice> think so
  126. # [00:35] <renoirb> go try, worse case we could ask him to create an issue
  127. # [00:35] <renoirb> I am overwhelmed with server migration at the moment
  128. # [00:36] <@Garbee> oh yea, frozenice is one.
  129. # [00:36] <@frozenice> I have ze power!!
  130. # [00:37] <@frozenice> Garbee: have you heard of Firebase?
  131. # [00:37] <@Garbee> Not sure how you would with the social user pages thing though.
  132. # [00:37] <@Garbee> Not ringing a bell.
  133. # [00:37] <@Garbee> https://www.firebase.com/ ?
  134. # [00:37] <@frozenice> yeah
  135. # [00:37] <@Garbee> yup, never heard of it then.
  136. # [00:38] <@Garbee> wow, this thing is expensive.
  137. # [00:38] <@frozenice> basically a realtime JSON db, gets updated on clients instantly (they subscribe via JS)
  138. # [00:38] <@frozenice> it get's awesome if you combine it with AngularJS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7ZI7z7qnHU#t=1027
  139. # [00:38] <@frozenice> -'
  140. # [00:39] <@Garbee> Wow.
  141. # [00:40] <@frozenice> indeed
  142. # [00:40] <@Garbee> Too bad this isn't affordable for WPD. :P
  143. # [00:40] <@frozenice> don't know what we would do with it :D but yeah it's awesome
  144. # [00:40] <@frozenice> that's also why I took a look at Socket.IO
  145. # [00:41] <@frozenice> basically I got my own private firebase thingy working now (Groovy backend)
  146. # [00:41] <@frozenice> Socket.IO server is normally in NodeJS, but there is also a Java impl
  147. # [00:41] <@Garbee> I was thinking we'd store docs in it with the new site. That way as people are working on the docs you'd know.
  148. # [00:42] <@Garbee> Lower stepping on top of others in editing.
  149. # [00:42] <@frozenice> storing a flag would be enough
  150. # [00:42] <@Garbee> Yea, there are a few ways to do session locking and things.
  151. # [00:43] <@frozenice> just another tech to keep in mind (we can also implement that ourselves, with Socket.IO)
  152. # [00:44] <@Garbee> socket.io looks nice.
  153. # [00:44] <@Garbee> Plus good browser support.
  154. # [00:44] <@frozenice> yup
  155. # [00:44] <@Garbee> I also had my gears working while I was waiting at the store...
  156. # [00:44] <@frozenice> it also supports namespaces and rooms
  157. # [00:45] <@Garbee> localstorage for storing edits? That way you could edit, leave the page, then come back and your edits would persist without saving? (assuming you are on the same device.)
  158. # [00:45] <@Garbee> Any thoughts to that?
  159. # [00:45] <@frozenice> yes please
  160. # [00:45] <@frozenice> Dabblet does it, no?
  161. # [00:45] <@Garbee> I think so
  162. # [00:45] <@Garbee> Pretty sure Lea updated it to do that so you didn't have the annoying "Are you sure you want to exit" dialouge.
  163. # [00:45] <@frozenice> some other tools I know, too, it's nice
  164. # [00:46] <@Garbee> It is in no means trivial for what we are doing, but it would be a great feature to add in.
  165. # [00:46] <@Garbee> H5BP is looking at storing GA scripts in local storage.
  166. # [00:46] <eliezerb> IndexedDB
  167. # [00:46] <@Garbee> Save on bandwidth usage.
  168. # [00:46] <@frozenice> yeah could be a bit complicated with the forms and stuff
  169. # [00:46] <@Garbee> https://github.com/h5bp/html5-boilerplate/issues/1444
  170. # [00:46] <@Garbee> But, GA is a much simpler task.
  171. # [00:46] <@Garbee> :P
  172. # [00:47] <@Garbee> Has indexdb gotten Safari support?
  173. # [00:47] <@Garbee> IndexedDB*
  174. # [00:47] <@frozenice> not according do caniuse
  175. # [00:47] <@frozenice> *to
  176. # [00:47] <@Garbee> nope.
  177. # [00:47] <eliezerb> http://caniuse.com/indexeddb
  178. # [00:47] <eliezerb> Not good support
  179. # [00:47] <@Garbee> http://www.html5rocks.com/en/features/storage
  180. # [00:47] <@Garbee> I was looking at that.
  181. # [00:47] <@Garbee> Overlooked the link buttons to caniuse.
  182. # [00:48] <@Garbee> I guess Web Storage is LocalStorage...
  183. # [00:48] <@frozenice> yup
  184. # [00:48] <@Garbee> So yea, that looks like the one to go with for us.
  185. # [00:48] <@Garbee> I'd need to research more into Web storage vs IndexedDB though.
  186. # [00:48] <@Garbee> Since IDB could be the better option as far as API and abilities go.
  187. # [00:49] <@frozenice> I don't think we would need complex objects on the client
  188. # [00:49] <@frozenice> simple JSON might be enough
  189. # [00:50] <@frozenice> don't know the standard quotas of the storages, though
  190. # [00:50] <@Garbee> 5MB iirc.
  191. # [00:51] <@Garbee> On Chrome you can request more somehow too iirc.
  192. # [00:51] <@frozenice> yeah
  193. # [00:51] <@Garbee> But, that should be plenty for storing some edit data for pages.
  194. # [00:51] <@Garbee> Then as it is filled up we just remove the oldest stuff first quietly.
  195. # [00:59] <@Garbee> Ok, I'm off for the night.
  196. # [00:59] <@frozenice> nn
  197. # [00:59] <@Garbee> Have a good evening everyone.
  198. # [00:59] <eliezerb> Good evening Garbee !
  199. # [00:59] <@frozenice> I'm off, too. dreaming of a custom WPD software :)
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  249. # [10:18] <@Garbee> Wow. Looks like from the top answer here that IndexedDB would be our preferred choice of local storage options: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5924485/how-is-indexeddb-conceptually-different-from-html5-local-storage
  250. # [10:19] <@Garbee> Or actually, we could use normal web storage just for edit information storage, then use indexedDB for other uses. Mixing the two should be possible if we keep it isolated.
  251. # [10:20] <@frozenice> would need a polyfill for Safari though
  252. # [10:21] <@Garbee> or safari uses just wouldn't get the benefit of web storage editing...
  253. # [10:22] <@Garbee> Wow 2.5MB is the safe usage amount for localStorage.
  254. # [10:22] <@Garbee> http://html5please.com/#storage
  255. # [10:22] <@frozenice> there is a IndexedDB polyfill for browser that support WebSQL (which Safari does): http://nparashuram.com/IndexedDBShim/
  256. # [10:23] <@Garbee> oh whoops.
  257. # [10:23] <@Garbee> I thought Safari was out on web storage and supported IDB. :P
  258. # [10:23] <@Garbee> Got the rows mixed up.
  259. # [10:23] <@Garbee> Yah, we would need a polyfill for them for anything we'd use IDB for.
  260. # [10:23] <@Garbee> But really what would we use IDB for?
  261. # [10:24] <@frozenice> good question!
  262. # [10:24] <@Garbee> Web Storage is perfect to just store a json string of the form data.
  263. # [10:24] <@Garbee> We wouldn't iterate over the data, or need to do any queries across it.
  264. # [10:24] <@Garbee> Since all we'd do is load it up by the key on edit page load if present.
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