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  1. # Session Start: Wed Dec 18 00:00:01 2013
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  17. # [01:35] <renoirb> hi AndrogymousHess
  18. # [01:35] <AndrogymousHess> hey :)
  19. # [01:35] <renoirb> Have you ever modified your hosts file to test a server?
  20. # [01:36] <AndrogymousHess> I modified my hosts file once... but I can't remember why.... and I almost wanna say it may have been for some devious purpose I'm not proud of...
  21. # [01:36] <AndrogymousHess> maybe hacking maplestory...
  22. # [01:36] <AndrogymousHess> that sounds right...
  23. # [01:36] <AndrogymousHess> man, I was like 13...
  24. # [01:36] <renoirb> Do you have time to help me a bit?
  25. # [01:36] <AndrogymousHess> 1. I seriously doubt I could help.
  26. # [01:36] <renoirb> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2013Dec/0087.html
  27. # [01:36] <AndrogymousHess> 2. I'm at work right now.
  28. # [01:37] <renoirb> Its quite easy, hijack the hosts file, then visit webplatform.org and do things
  29. # [01:37] <renoirb> If you can't, that's fine.
  30. # [01:37] <renoirb> I'm trying anyway.
  31. # [01:37] <AndrogymousHess> I can't right now, but in 2 hours I could be of assistance! :)
  32. # [01:37] <renoirb> If you can in two hours, that's fine.
  33. # [01:38] <AndrogymousHess> cool!
  34. # [01:38] <AndrogymousHess> I'll let you know when I'm home, then.
  35. # [01:38] <renoirb> I'm about to change underlying servers at midnight tonight
  36. # [01:38] <renoirb> I'm confident, but we do not have a lot of people who tried it
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  38. # [01:51] <AndrogymousHess> meh, I finished the blog.
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  41. # [01:58] <renoirb> you read all the posts AndrogymousHess ?%
  42. # [01:58] <AndrogymousHess> yeah, lol
  43. # [01:58] <renoirb> You could look at the guides too
  44. # [01:59] <renoirb> http://docs2.webplatform.org/wiki/guides/getting_started_with_css
  45. # [01:59] <renoirb> http://docs2.webplatform.org/wiki/guides
  46. # [01:59] <renoirb> (the 2 is because I'm using the fact that you will be on the new servers)
  47. # [01:59] <AndrogymousHess> do you always link with docs2 because you have your hosts files changed your own self?
  48. # [01:59] <AndrogymousHess> Kay
  49. # [01:59] <renoirb> no
  50. # [02:00] <AndrogymousHess> I'm not home yet, so I haven't changed hosts files or anything, just to let you know.
  51. # [02:00] <renoirb> the hosts file is because it is to hijack the redirection and various hardcoded links that would redirect to the production site. With the hosts file, it makes sure it EVER go to the production.
  52. # [02:00] <AndrogymousHess> http://blog.webplatform.org/2013/09/wpw-reading-writing-and-css-properties/ This is my favorite blog post because I didn't see the joke coming, just for the record.
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  54. # [02:01] <renoirb> no problem, media wiki (i.e. docs.webplatform.org/wiki/ ) is ok with staying on the subdomain docs2.... but it is not the case if you happen to click to the links on the header or the hardcoded ones.
  55. # [02:01] <renoirb> or on the other applications than mediawiki
  56. # [02:01] <renoirb> that's why its cumbersome
  57. # [02:04] <AndrogymousHess> right, I get it.
  58. # [02:04] <AndrogymousHess> So, the hosts file needs to be changed to prevent redirects.
  59. # [02:05] <AndrogymousHess> ?* let me change that to a question mark because I will not be certain of things I say here for a bit.
  60. # [02:05] <AndrogymousHess> lol
  61. # [02:09] <AndrogymousHess> oh, lame.
  62. # [02:10] <AndrogymousHess> Can't log in when docs2, I didn't exist three weeks ago. :P
  63. # [02:10] <renoirb> the hosts file makes sure you do not touch the production site.
  64. # [02:10] <renoirb> even though you will get redirected.
  65. # [02:10] <renoirb> because most links and applications have it hardcoded.
  66. # [02:11] <renoirb> I could change myself, and I did, at many places in the configuration. The ones I did are easily revertable.
  67. # [02:12] <renoirb> But If I go too deep in the application code, not all code has all I need to make it easily reverted.
  68. # [02:12] <renoirb> hum, create an account
  69. # [02:12] <renoirb> I will practice the database import from the current live, in an hour or so
  70. # [02:22] <AndrogymousHess> renoirb: made a new account, made it under the same name as my current. everything will break, oh god.
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  72. # [02:23] <renoirb> no
  73. # [02:24] <renoirb> it won't. I'm about to overwrite all of what you do there is going to be lost.
  74. # [02:26] <renoirb> For example, look at http://blog2.webplatform.org/2013/11/gusty-doc-sprint-at-uw-in-seattle/
  75. # [02:26] <renoirb> The first sentence of the post
  76. # [02:26] <renoirb> Compared to http://blog.webplatform.org/2013/11/gusty-doc-sprint-at-uw-in-seattle/
  77. # [02:26] <AndrogymousHess> dammit!
  78. # [02:27] <AndrogymousHess> I forgot I don't have changed hosts.
  79. # [02:27] <renoirb> Be sure you have the hosts file
  80. # [02:27] <AndrogymousHess> lol
  81. # [02:27] <renoirb> told you
  82. # [02:27] <AndrogymousHess> I don't
  83. # [02:27] <AndrogymousHess> I added a comment
  84. # [02:27] <AndrogymousHess> lmao
  85. # [02:27] <AndrogymousHess> I'm so dumb.
  86. # [02:27] <renoirb> on the blog?
  87. # [02:27] <AndrogymousHess> yeah
  88. # [02:27] <AndrogymousHess> on the post.
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  90. # [02:27] <renoirb> no, everybody makes mistakes.
  91. # [02:27] <AndrogymousHess> it's a little bit hilarious, though.
  92. # [02:27] <renoirb> I forget too, that's why I add things and validate even though I'm confident.
  93. # [02:28] <AndrogymousHess> luckily, it is awaiting moderation.
  94. # [02:28] <renoirb> Did you see the difference of text between the two blog posts?
  95. # [02:29] <AndrogymousHess> Yeah. swag on.
  96. # [02:29] <renoirb> ok
  97. # [02:29] <renoirb> The hosts file would prevent that, even on blog2...., when you make a comment it stays on blog2.
  98. # [02:30] <AndrogymousHess> Yeah. I learned from my mistake. :)
  99. # [02:30] <AndrogymousHess> Let's go make more!
  100. # [02:30] <AndrogymousHess> mistakes I mean.
  101. # [02:34] <renoirb> No worries. Anyway we can see what people do and undo
  102. # [02:37] <AndrogymousHess> Sad news, renoirb, I can't validate my account because... it just doesn't work that way. My confirmation email says the link has expired. :/ Because I guess I technically signed up this new account 3 weeks ago? and the e-mail technically sent three weeks ago? I'm not sure...
  103. # [02:37] <renoirb> hum, that one is easy.
  104. # [02:37] <AndrogymousHess> nevermind.
  105. # [02:37] <AndrogymousHess> scrath that
  106. # [02:37] <AndrogymousHess> scratch*
  107. # [02:37] <renoirb> Copy the link, add the 2
  108. # [02:37] <renoirb> haha
  109. # [02:38] <renoirb> that's ok
  110. # [02:38] <AndrogymousHess> I did add the 2 the first time, but that's when it said it had expired.
  111. # [02:38] <renoirb> sure it is expired, the link you clicked with the special URL must have the 2 missing that is all.
  112. # [02:38] <AndrogymousHess> Actually
  113. # [02:38] <AndrogymousHess> I got a new one, with the 2.
  114. # [02:38] <renoirb> oh.
  115. # [02:38] <AndrogymousHess> I just resent it from my preferences under 2.
  116. # [02:38] <renoirb> ok
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  119. # [03:00] <AndrogymousHess> renoirb: I'll be home in 40 minutes to break stuff. :)
  120. # [03:00] <AndrogymousHess> cya then
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  128. # [03:43] <Androgymous> renoirb, I'll go break things now.
  129. # [03:43] <renoirb> hi
  130. # [03:44] <Androgymous> hi :)
  131. # [03:44] <renoirb> just do not make harmful comments or additions
  132. # [03:44] <renoirb> Also, if you use Chrome, check the headers of the document you are using
  133. # [03:44] <renoirb> Are you using Chrome or Firefox?
  134. # [03:45] <renoirb> Androgymous: ^^
  135. # [03:45] <Androgymous> Chrome.
  136. # [03:47] <renoirb> Mac or Windows?
  137. # [03:47] <Androgymous> Windows
  138. # [03:47] <Androgymous> 7
  139. # [03:47] <Androgymous> 64 bit
  140. # [03:47] <renoirb> do you know the keyboard shortcut for developer tools?
  141. # [03:47] <renoirb> Try CTRL+SHIFT+C
  142. # [03:48] <renoirb> You should see a pane with "Elements, Resources, Network..."
  143. # [03:48] <renoirb> If you click on Network, and refresh the page, the first element is the HTTP request for the page.
  144. # [03:48] <renoirb> From there you should see all HTTP Response headers
  145. # [03:49] <renoirb> You should always see a header: X-Migration-note:13h45 EST
  146. # [03:50] <renoirb> Androgymous: ^
  147. # [03:52] <Androgymous> I'm sorry, I'll see this in the list that pops up in the Network tab? Because I'm not really seeing anything that looks like that....
  148. # [03:53] <Androgymous> I'm in my network tab. just not seeing the migration note thing.
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  150. # [03:54] <renoirb> you are in network tab?
  151. # [03:54] <renoirb> if you refresh the page
  152. # [03:54] <renoirb> you should see every elements the page requested, and the page
  153. # [03:54] <renoirb> each of those are separate HTTP requests
  154. # [03:54] <Androgymous> Yessir
  155. # [03:54] <renoirb> On the first one, the page itself, you should see it
  156. # [03:56] <Androgymous> the first one, the page itself says wiki/docs.webplatform.org ; should it have a 2 in it?
  157. # [03:56] <renoirb> do you have the hosts file changed?
  158. # [03:56] <Androgymous> nvm found it
  159. # [03:56] <Androgymous> I do have the hosts file changed
  160. # [03:57] <renoirb> so, it doesn't matter
  161. # [03:57] <Androgymous> and it immediately brought me to docs2
  162. # [03:57] <Androgymous> and www2
  163. # [03:57] <Androgymous> but yeah
  164. # [03:57] <Androgymous> I found it
  165. # [03:57] <renoirb> But, before doing anything, always check :)
  166. # [03:57] <Androgymous> at the very bottom...
  167. # [03:57] <Androgymous> On top of that
  168. # [03:57] <Androgymous> I didn't realize I had to click on the element, I thought the note would appear in the list
  169. # [03:57] <Androgymous> my bad.
  170. # [03:57] <renoirb> yeah, we have www2.webplatform.org
  171. # [03:57] <renoirb> but I could not do that on the TLD webplatform.org
  172. # [03:58] <renoirb> TLD: Top Level Domain, webplatform.org in our case
  173. # [03:58] <Androgymous> I looked it up, but thank you for the clarifying. :)
  174. # [03:59] <Androgymous> clarification*
  175. # [04:01] * Androgymous is now known as AndrogymousHess
  176. # [04:11] <AndrogymousHess> Was this contents thing added within the last 3 weeks? http://i.imgur.com/LzcILxs.png
  177. # [04:12] <AndrogymousHess> renoirb: ^?
  178. # [04:13] <renoirb> I do not know when it appears or not.
  179. # [04:13] <renoirb> Sometimes its there, sometimes not.
  180. # [04:13] <AndrogymousHess> http://docs2.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/webaudio
  181. # [04:14] <AndrogymousHess> docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/webaudio
  182. # [04:14] <renoirb> I dont have it
  183. # [04:14] <AndrogymousHess> docs I have it
  184. # [04:14] <AndrogymousHess> docs2 I don't have it
  185. # [04:14] <renoirb> uhm.
  186. # [04:17] <AndrogymousHess> I guess I don't really know what I'm looking for, I'm just going through this list of things to do and I just noticed it.
  187. # [04:19] <renoirb> Good.
  188. # [04:19] <renoirb> I had it in note but you can send it to the mailing list
  189. # [04:20] <AndrogymousHess> I don't understand the mailing list... I thought you sign up for a mailing list... not mail to a mailing list.
  190. # [04:20] <AndrogymousHess> I got a 500 server error
  191. # [04:20] <AndrogymousHess> I am neat.
  192. # [04:22] <renoirb> A mailing list has many related addresses, one is the mailing list you send to and get mails from.
  193. # [04:22] <renoirb> One is to mail the maintainers
  194. # [04:22] <renoirb> One is a bot that takes care of subscribing/unsubscribing
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  197. # [04:25] <AndrogymousHess> Unable to open CDB file for write "/srv/webplatform/wiki/current/cache/l10n_cache-en.cdb" ?
  198. # [04:26] <AndrogymousHess> renoirb blog. has your first line changed, too, not just blog2
  199. # [04:26] <renoirb> uhm
  200. # [04:26] <renoirb> is that the first time you see it, where?
  201. # [04:26] <renoirb> ok
  202. # [04:26] <renoirb> wait
  203. # [04:26] <renoirb> oh, yeah.
  204. # [04:26] <AndrogymousHess> maybe my hosts file broke...
  205. # [04:26] <AndrogymousHess> lol
  206. # [04:26] <renoirb> forgot to check after running highstate
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  208. # [04:26] <renoirb> oops
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  210. # [04:29] <AndrogymousHess> http://i.imgur.com/xsSflEG.png
  211. # [04:29] <AndrogymousHess> renoirb
  212. # [04:30] <renoirb> wait, had to modify states to permanently fix my mistake
  213. # [04:30] <AndrogymousHess> http://i.imgur.com/h1S1p3y.png
  214. # [04:30] <AndrogymousHess> kay
  215. # [04:30] <renoirb> done
  216. # [04:31] <renoirb> I know :)
  217. # [04:31] <AndrogymousHess> works again. :)
  218. # [04:31] <renoirb> sure
  219. # [04:31] <renoirb> i fixed it
  220. # [04:31] <AndrogymousHess> You're a champ
  221. # [04:31] <AndrogymousHess> lol
  222. # [04:31] <renoirb> Salt Stack makes it so easy
  223. # [04:31] <AndrogymousHess> I'll live in ignorance for now. :)
  224. # [04:31] <AndrogymousHess> lol
  225. # [04:32] <renoirb> This infrastructure is about 20 virtual machines
  226. # [04:32] <renoirb> http://monitor2.webplatform.org/ganglia/
  227. # [04:34] <AndrogymousHess> I don't understand it, but it's interesting I'm sure. lol
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  229. # [04:34] <AndrogymousHess> I think I broke my chrome
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  234. # [04:41] <renoirb> Thanks, do you still get errors now?ç
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  236. # [04:42] <AndrogymousHess> Just got a 500 server error on docs2
  237. # [04:43] <AndrogymousHess> and a "sorry this site is experiencing technical difficulties on docs1
  238. # [04:43] <AndrogymousHess> or just docs
  239. # [04:43] <AndrogymousHess> I mean...
  240. # [04:43] <AndrogymousHess> (Can't contact the database server: Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111 (master.db.wpdn))
  241. # [04:45] <renoirb> where
  242. # [04:45] <renoirb> oh, sure, wait a asec
  243. # [04:45] <renoirb> i rebooted it
  244. # [04:45] <renoirb> should be fixed
  245. # [04:45] <AndrogymousHess> no sir... :/
  246. # [04:47] <renoirb> ok
  247. # [04:49] <renoirb> I know my mistake
  248. # [04:49] <renoirb> gosh
  249. # [04:49] <renoirb> wait
  250. # [04:49] <renoirb> d'aah.
  251. # [04:49] <renoirb> done
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  253. # [04:50] <AndrogymousHess> Yes, you are a winner!
  254. # [04:50] <AndrogymousHess> :)
  255. # [04:50] <AndrogymousHess> lol
  256. # [04:50] <renoirb> Hate that, when i do: "That's going to be a good thing". Then later in real-life.... why the heck did I chose this
  257. # [04:50] <AndrogymousHess> So, I went through your little list thing, or at least what I could do...
  258. # [04:50] <AndrogymousHess> So, woo, I helped...
  259. # [04:50] <AndrogymousHess> I guess...
  260. # [04:50] <AndrogymousHess> lol
  261. # [04:51] <renoirb> you did, congrats!
  262. # [04:51] <renoirb> Thanks so much
  263. # [04:51] <renoirb> So, soon, i'm flipping the real switch
  264. # [04:51] <AndrogymousHess> Yeah, no problem, glad I could help. I'm gonna go learn how to contribute now by actually understanding all this stuff.
  265. # [04:52] <AndrogymousHess> When's midnight for you? Are we in the same timezone...
  266. # [04:52] <renoirb> it's 22:49 here in Montreal
  267. # [04:52] <AndrogymousHess> Nope, I'm an hour behind you.
  268. # [04:56] <renoirb> oh, where are you?
  269. # [04:57] <AndrogymousHess> Minnesota. :3
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  275. # [05:30] <renoirb> Are you still there AndrogymousHess
  276. # [05:30] <renoirb> ?
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  281. # [05:38] <AndrogymousHess> just got back
  282. # [05:38] <AndrogymousHess> sorry
  283. # [05:38] <AndrogymousHess> was cleaning
  284. # [05:38] <AndrogymousHess> renoirb *poke*
  285. # [05:38] <AndrogymousHess> lol
  286. # [05:40] <renoirb> hehe
  287. # [05:40] <renoirb> Just updated the server maintenance notice on the site.
  288. # [05:42] <AndrogymousHess> where does it show?
  289. # [05:43] <renoirb> I think I have an explanation why the table of content do not show
  290. # [05:43] <renoirb> it shows on the live site.
  291. # [05:43] <renoirb> not on the demo
  292. # [05:43] <renoirb> I had to remove my hosts file entry
  293. # [05:43] <renoirb> the purple block.
  294. # [05:43] <renoirb> on top
  295. # [05:44] <AndrogymousHess> that's lame, how come I can switch back in forth in docs, but not on the front page?
  296. # [05:44] <renoirb> you mean the top top page?
  297. # [05:44] <AndrogymousHess> yes...
  298. # [05:44] <AndrogymousHess> I think so...
  299. # [05:46] <renoirb> yup.
  300. # [05:46] <AndrogymousHess> weird
  301. # [05:46] <AndrogymousHess> Chrome keeps redirecting to www2 even though I changed my hosts file
  302. # [05:46] <AndrogymousHess> but mozilla doesn't...
  303. # [05:46] <renoirb> we have Jen Simmons that is working on the design things
  304. # [05:46] <renoirb> uhm
  305. # [05:46] <renoirb> it'll be fixed soon, when everything will be under the new
  306. # [05:48] <AndrogymousHess> Kay... I'll believe you for now. lol
  307. # [05:49] <renoirb> I told you, I have lots of places where I have the 2 hardcoded and that I have to revert
  308. # [05:49] <renoirb> and do not forget that an HTTP request if it seems the same one time to another, it uses the cached one.
  309. # [05:50] <AndrogymousHess> Yeah, I was thinking that...
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  311. # [05:52] <renoirb> Found the reason
  312. # [05:52] <renoirb> of the Table of content
  313. # [05:52] <renoirb> The javascript has if (location.hostname.indexOf('docs.') !== 0) {...
  314. # [05:52] <renoirb> which is exactly not our case here. yet another example of hardcoded hostname
  315. # [05:53] <AndrogymousHess> that's crazy...?
  316. # [05:53] <renoirb> Not much
  317. # [05:53] <AndrogymousHess> Is that so it doesn't appear on the blog and other parts?
  318. # [05:53] <renoirb> yup
  319. # [05:53] <renoirb> but that's ok. Because the TOC is generated via javascript. It basically loop the current page, reads headings, and creates a heading list with links to it.
  320. # [05:53] <renoirb> all by javascript
  321. # [05:54] <renoirb> it's quite nice actually.
  322. # [05:54] <AndrogymousHess> it sounds cool.
  323. # [05:54] <renoirb> But using javascript to change content,
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  326. # [05:55] <AndrogymousHess> Why isn't there a forum anymore?
  327. # [05:55] <renoirb> I'll give you the URL
  328. # [05:55] <renoirb> http://docs2.webplatform.org/w/load.php?debug=true&lang=en&modules=skins.webplatform&only=scripts&skin=webplatform&;*
  329. # [05:55] <renoirb> search for custom-toc
  330. # [05:55] <renoirb> that's the javascript
  331. # [05:56] <renoirb> Its a concatenated by php javascript file... from many ones, but you can see it from there
  332. # [05:58] <AndrogymousHess> This is overwhelming. :/
  333. # [05:58] <AndrogymousHess> lol
  334. # [05:59] <renoirb> Lots of things to follow
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  336. # [06:01] <AndrogymousHess> It's cool. :)
  337. # [06:02] <AndrogymousHess> I'm giddy about it all!
  338. # [06:02] <AndrogymousHess> lol
  339. # [06:02] <AndrogymousHess> geeking out a little too hard right now...
  340. # [06:02] <AndrogymousHess> can't stop, though.
  341. # [06:02] <renoirb> My advice: never stop reading
  342. # [06:03] <renoirb> If you can read more than once: Douglas Crockford's: JavaScript the good parts. You will understand things more and more at each time.
  343. # [06:04] <AndrogymousHess> Thanks. :) I have an o'reilly head first book for javascript on my desk right now... I don't have any other javascript books...
  344. # [06:04] <AndrogymousHess> I have 2 java books.
  345. # [06:04] <AndrogymousHess> 1 html/css head first book.
  346. # [06:16] <AndrogymousHess> renoirb: got it...
  347. # [06:16] <AndrogymousHess> I will read it when I have time, thanks for the recommendation. :)
  348. # [06:19] <AndrogymousHess> lol, the status page is a tumblr... that's fantastic.
  349. # [06:19] <renoirb> Yup, Twitter has the same
  350. # [06:20] <AndrogymousHess> I was just big into tumblr for the past year or so, so it was a bit amusing to see when the link doesn't make it obvious.
  351. # [06:20] <AndrogymousHess> I can't believe this is a thing.
  352. # [06:20] <AndrogymousHess> http://it-ebooks.info/book/274/
  353. # [06:20] <AndrogymousHess> Feels illegal.
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  364. # [07:24] <renoirb> Hi Ryan_Lane
  365. # [07:24] <renoirb> Quick question regarding master
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