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  93. # [06:57] <@renoirb> Hey ptressel.
  94. # [06:57] <ptressel> renoirb o/
  95. # [06:58] <ptressel> FYA: I'm working on web scraping for Code for America project.
  96. # [06:59] <ptressel> Python & xpath currently, but we don't like xpath as well as DOM selectors, so might switch to BeautifulSoup.
  97. # [07:00] <ptressel> They don't really care what we use for scraping -- it just has to feed their database. They even said node.js was fine, so some folks may be doing that.
  98. # [07:01] <ptressel> I suggested that we should "borrow" your scraper. :D
  99. # [07:03] <ptressel> Oh, and I also suggested, if we're using xpath anyway, why not just use xslt directly w/o Python? I got howls of "noooo!" for that.
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  101. # [07:09] <@renoirb> BeautifulSoup is what they use at scraperwiki for that purpose.
  102. # [07:10] <ptressel> We're getting legislative info, which tends to be rather different per site.
  103. # [07:10] <@renoirb> If you do not mind me asking, I have this issue at the moment [0] that I need to fix soon enough.
  104. # [07:10] <@renoirb> Its lower in my chain of priorities, but for me to do it would require that I lean appropriately Python.
  105. # [07:10] <@renoirb> I thought of asking you about it
  106. # [07:10] <@renoirb> [0]: https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer/issues/3
  107. # [07:11] <@renoirb> s/lean/learn/
  108. # [07:11] <@renoirb> cool!
  109. # [07:11] <ptressel> Ah yes, I was wondering about the tag request vs. how hard MDN was getting hit.
  110. # [07:12] <ptressel> So the MDN folks might not mind, but their server has limits.
  111. # [07:12] <@renoirb> Our problem with the scraper is not the scraper itself. But the source site (MDN <--- Kuma) code needs to be understood by us so we can get deeper than we are getting now.
  112. # [07:12] <ptressel> Are we missing some pages?
  113. # [07:13] <@renoirb> The scraper do not hit the site at every import. frozenice created a cache and unless you delete the cache, it reuses the same cached data.
  114. # [07:13] <@renoirb> wow. lots of 'cache' in one sentence
  115. # [07:13] <@renoirb> yes
  116. # [07:14] <@renoirb> look at the bug description https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer/issues/3
  117. # [07:14] <ptressel> I am.
  118. # [07:15] <ptressel> Do we know that there are pages with compatibility tables, that do *not* have those tags?
  119. # [07:16] <ptressel> If they are all in pages with those tags, then they have a feed for new pages with specific tags.
  120. # [07:17] <@renoirb> hum, I can't tell
  121. # [07:17] <@renoirb> I mostly worked on the EntityConverter.js class
  122. # [07:18] <@renoirb> https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer/blob/master/lib/EntityConverter.js
  123. # [07:18] <ptressel> If those tags don't pick up all pages with compatibility tables, then we might be able to find them via web search, e.g. set up a Google Custom Search with a query that finds the tables by some other characteristic, like the heading "Browser Compatibility".
  124. # [07:18] <ptressel> I'm not sure what the actual issue is. Are they worried that they may need to do another complete import, and want to do that some other way?
  125. # [07:19] <ptressel> Or do they want to set up a server that receives a feed of new pages?
  126. # [07:19] <@renoirb> hum, that's probably what frozenice did.
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  128. # [07:20] <@renoirb> The problem is something there: https://github.com/mozilla/kuma/blob/master/apps/wiki/feeds.py#L22
  129. # [07:21] <ptressel> Yesbut...
  130. # [07:22] <ptressel> That's on *their* site.
  131. # [07:22] <@renoirb> Sorry. I might miss the point.
  132. # [07:22] <ptressel> Are we asking them to change that just for us?
  133. # [07:22] <@renoirb> I know its on their site. thats the problem. How can we find a way to get what we need. There might be an other way to list pages than that class. That's what we gotta find.
  134. # [07:23] <ptressel> Yes, I just suggested one.
  135. # [07:23] <ptressel> ^^ Google Custom Search
  136. # [07:23] <ptressel> Or set up a server to receive a feed
  137. # [07:23] <ptressel> Just the new / changed pages, not the whole thing.
  138. # [07:24] <ptressel> On this page https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Project:MDN/Tools/Feeds it says one option is tag/<tagname> and their description is:
  139. # [07:25] <ptressel> "Recently changed articles, in order by modification date. Only articles that have the specified tag are included in the feed."
  140. # [07:25] <@renoirb> Oh, you mean something that sits and grasp the changes as they come. Someday we will get deeper and deeper?
  141. # [07:25] <ptressel> That's for after we have the current / old set.
  142. # [07:26] <ptressel> That's why I'm asking if we're missing some current / old pages.
  143. # [07:27] <@renoirb> Yeah, that could work. We have a cached version after all. We might have to read the cached data, remove the existing data, add the new to the cache.
  144. # [07:27] <ptressel> The other way is to crawl, but slowly.
  145. # [07:27] <ptressel> We'd need to look at what their robots.txt allows, if we want to crawl.
  146. # [07:28] <@renoirb> yeah.
  147. # [07:28] <@renoirb> I'm a bit over-loaded though.
  148. # [07:28] <ptressel> The only dependency on Python that I see is on their end.
  149. # [07:29] <ptressel> So no need to use Python on our end.
  150. # [07:30] <@renoirb> I have other projects that takes all my time. I'm working on improving an openstack cluster at the moment.
  151. # [07:31] <ptressel> Ah!
  152. # [07:31] <ptressel> So what is the real goal?
  153. # [07:32] <ptressel> Doing another import without hitting the limit?
  154. # [07:32] <ptressel> Or finding if there are more pages with compatibility tables than what is in the cache?
  155. # [07:32] <ptressel> Or updating the cache with new / changed pages?
  156. # [07:33] <ptressel> I could post that question in the ticket, so maybe folks will post answers...would that be useful?
  157. # [07:34] <ptressel> I'm not finding their robots.txt in their github repo.
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  160. # [07:38] <@renoirb> I would say: "Finding (and caching) [if there] are more pages with compatibility tables ..."
  161. # [07:39] <@renoirb> https://developer.mozilla.org/robots.txt
  162. # [07:39] <@renoirb> ptressel ^
  163. # [07:40] <ptressel> :D
  164. # [07:41] <ptressel> Heh, so they put it in by hand...
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  166. # [07:44] <ptressel> Would those be pages with the same tags, but new? or pages that don't have any of those tags?
  167. # [07:44] <ptressel> Or both?
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  169. # [07:47] <@renoirb> I can't tell.
  170. # [07:47] <@renoirb> :/
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  172. # [07:49] <@renoirb> They also have this domain: https://developer.allizom.org/en-US/
  173. # [07:49] <@renoirb> reverted mozilla
  174. # [07:50] <ptressel> Right, just saw that on their "new developers" page.
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  176. # [07:58] <ptressel> I expect they don't want us to crawl their staging server. ;-)
  177. # [08:08] <ptressel> renoirb, Here's an example query on Google that looks on developer.mozilla.org for "Browser Compatibility" in the page text, for pages changed in the last week:
  178. # [08:08] <ptressel> https://www.google.com/search?as_q=&as_epq=Browser+Compatibility&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=w&as_sitesearch=developer.mozilla.org&as_occt=body&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&;as_rights=
  179. # [08:08] <ptressel> Only returned about 40 pages.
  180. # [08:09] <ptressel> Could execute that twice a week...
  181. # [08:11] <ptressel> The query itself doesn't touch MDN at all. One can do queries programmatically. Haven't checked if the api includes the page changed date term.
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  183. # [08:23] <ptressel> Hmm, the query also has an operator for pages that contain a particular link. MDN tags are links, so presumably could restrict results to particular tags. But the "link:" operator is only shown in Google's "simple" search, not their "advanced" search. If I try a query with "link:" the corresponding operator should show up in the url.
  184. # [08:28] <@renoirb> that could work.
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  316. # [18:58] <@shepazu> julee, jensimmons, are you able to join the telcon? if not, I'll just cancel it
  317. # [18:58] <+jensimmons> dialing
  318. # [18:59] <+jensimmons> http://webplatform.jensimmons.com/design/
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  320. # [19:12] <+jensimmons> https://dev.twitter.com/docs/embedded-timelines
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  323. # [19:15] <+jensimmons> https://join.app.net/
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  341. # [19:31] <@shepazu> jensimmons, http://status.net/blogs/evan
  342. # [19:31] <@shepazu> https://identi.ca/
  343. # [19:32] <@shepazu> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identi.ca
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  345. # [19:37] <+jensimmons> https://alpha.app.net/marco
  346. # [19:43] * offSchub is now known as DenSchub
  347. # [19:44] <+jensimmons> http://unicorninstitute.com/
  348. # [19:45] <+jensimmons> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jmspool/unicorn-institute-courses-to-shape-the-future-of-u
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  351. # [19:50] <+jensimmons> http://squarespace.com/
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  353. # [19:52] <+jensimmons> discussion of app.net http://5by5.tv/buildanalyze/87
  354. # [19:52] <+jensimmons> (one of many)
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  365. # [20:24] <+jensimmons> http://monosnap.com/image/DAbesrVP5ZStaL2vsrdkcegWqsitFc.png
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  390. # [22:06] <@julee> Having a weird reload problem...
  391. # [22:06] <@julee> http://project.webplatform.org/infrastructure/issues/INFR-66
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  400. # [22:45] <@renoirb> I saw the issue, i cannot reproduce
  401. # [22:47] <@renoirb> Julee, i saw the issue e-mail. Working into it
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