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  116. # [12:07] <imoification> hello
  117. # [12:13] <@ravenzz> hello imoification
  118. # [12:13] <@ravenzz> welcome
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  134. # [13:48] <imoification> thanks
  135. # [13:50] <imoification> HELP
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  200. # [19:09] <eliot> Eliot tells Renoir that there are errors on the server. Renoir goes to investigate.
  201. # [19:09] <imoification> cannot seem to create an account
  202. # [19:09] <eliot> <shepazu> TOPIC: static site infrastructure
  203. # [19:09] <eliot> ...landing page, home page, etc.
  204. # [19:10] <eliot> Jen ask for changes in repo
  205. # [19:10] <eliot> Renoir found a NodeJs static stie genrator, mirrored it on Github
  206. # [19:10] <eliot> Jensimmons: looks good
  207. # [19:11] <eliot> Shepazu: need to make it easy and obvious for someone helping
  208. # [19:11] <eliot> Just go to the repo with a similar URL to the live site, and make a pull request
  209. # [19:12] <eliot> ...Ppl have aasked to be able to help via GitHub. Yay, Renoir! and Jen!
  210. # [19:13] <eliot> Shepazu: Jen has pushed out the front page. Write a short blog post?
  211. # [19:13] <eliot> JenSimmons: yup
  212. # [19:13] <eliot> shepazu: add a little about pushing changes with GitHub, too.
  213. # [19:13] <eliot> ...Renoir can help with details, too.
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  215. # [19:15] <eliot> TOPIC: Compatibility Table Project
  216. # [19:15] <eliot> shepazu: Renoir's completed the code infrastructure
  217. # [19:15] <eliot> ...and has an instance running
  218. # [19:15] <eliot> ...running on test
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  220. # [19:15] <eliot> ...will generate tables.
  221. # [19:15] <eliot> ...Jen, can you look at the tables and do the minimum work to make them look nice?
  222. # [19:16] <eliot> ...The compat table extension is working
  223. # [19:16] <+jensimmons> Jen says yes.
  224. # [19:16] <eliot> ...takes the data and puts it on theweb ppage in a way that also caches, and caches properly.
  225. # [19:16] <imoification> help needed in creating account on webplatform.org
  226. # [19:17] <eliot> ...Critical moving forward, since only some data will change and we don't want to refresh it all everytime
  227. # [19:17] <eliot> ...on top of the MEdiaWiki extension
  228. # [19:17] <eliot> ...So, we can generate the tables.
  229. # [19:17] <eliot> ...But we can only generate the data.
  230. # [19:18] <eliot> ...Fro's solution had a problem with timeout with Kuma
  231. # [19:18] <eliot> ...Renoir talked with Pat Tressle to make a crawler that wd get all the data from MDN
  232. # [19:18] <eliot> ...so now we have the infrastructure. We just need all the data.
  233. # [19:18] <eliot> ....Not a challenging part of the project.
  234. # [19:18] <eliot> ....Eliezer or Renoir can put it into templates, too.
  235. # [19:19] <eliot> ...we need to figure out how to call each data thing. Should be template-driven.
  236. # [19:19] <eliot> ...You'd only have to put the name of the feature in and it goes off and grabs the compat table info,
  237. # [19:19] <+jensimmons> hi imoification. You happen to be asking for help right at the moment when our website is melting. The sys admin is working right now to get the site back up.
  238. # [19:19] <eliot> ...so that's tremendous.
  239. # [19:19] <eliot> ...Goes far to completing CSS!
  240. # [19:20] <eliot> RenoirB: on /test, I put implementation on the pages.
  241. # [19:20] * +eliezerb is following the meeting on IRC
  242. # [19:20] <eliot> ...We need to find a way to work around the block on MDN.
  243. # [19:20] <+jensimmons> imoification: normally it’s very straightforward to make an account. So sorry that it’s not right now.
  244. # [19:21] <wp-logger> Database connection lost! 5 retries until I give up entirely!
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  247. # [19:22] <eliot> Shepazu: MDN is stilll unable to give us a dump of the compat data
  248. # [19:23] <eliot> ...it would be good for us to prepare a blog post about the tables' progress.
  249. # [19:23] <wp-logger> Database connection lost! 4 retries until I give up entirely!
  250. # [19:24] <eliot> ACTION on shepazu: create blog post draft about progress on compat tables
  251. # [19:24] <eliot> ACTION on JenSimmons: Create a blog post about home page improvements
  252. # [19:25] <eliot> TOPIC: Recap Doc Sprint Fluent Conf
  253. # [19:25] <eliot> shepazu: I was a mess, b/c I had to present next day.
  254. # [19:25] <wp-logger> Database connection lost! 3 retries until I give up entirely!
  255. # [19:25] <eliot> ...Jen, too?
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  257. # [19:26] <eliot> julee: About 8 people showed up out of 80 who signd up.
  258. # [19:27] <eliot> ...2 of those were "not really engaged"
  259. # [19:27] <eliot> ...123 changes to the docs. Pretty significant.
  260. # [19:27] <eliot> ...Good thing: Scott Murray
  261. # [19:28] <eliot> JenSimmons: Even though there weren't many people, they stayed all day and participated.
  262. # [19:28] <eliot> ...They were engaged.
  263. # [19:28] <wp-logger> Database connection lost! 2 retries until I give up entirely!
  264. # [19:28] <eliot> ....even though there were 8 people, there were 2-3 women who were enthusiastic.
  265. # [19:28] <eliot> julee: May have been "meet-up junkies"
  266. # [19:29] <eliot> jensimmons: still OK, though.
  267. # [19:31] <eliot> ...there's an assumption that if we're open source with a lot of volunteer hours, the only way it's going to be successful is with serious cheerleaders.
  268. # [19:32] <eliot> ...."Yeah!!!!! Welcome to Nerddom" and that energy helps to keep people coming back.
  269. # [19:32] <eliot> ....OK, so we didn't have a lot of people, there was something happening that I wouldn't call a failure.
  270. # [19:33] <eliot> ...even though it didn't go the way we wanted, it went well.
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  272. # [19:34] <eliot> ...and this must be a conscious thought. It doesn't happen by itself.
  273. # [19:34] <eliot> shepazu agrees
  274. # [19:34] <eliot> julee: Do we want to associate with conferences?
  275. # [19:35] <eliot> ...people like Carlos--in the bay area--and PAul V, too.
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  277. # [19:35] <eliot> ...by the data, European doc sprints are more predictable about who shows up
  278. # [19:35] <eliot> ....maybe we support them more?
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  280. # [19:36] <eliot> shepazu: observations: planning a sprint when people have other things to do or have expended or are about to expend a lot of energy, seems counter productive.
  281. # [19:36] <eliot> ....we should be overt that we're learning this.
  282. # [19:36] <eliot> ....maybe we can have a different event than a doc sprint at these things.
  283. # [19:37] <eliot> eliot: like bof sessions or meetups about how to get involved (for an hour) and mention another full doc sprint
  284. # [19:37] <eliot> ...we talked to Opera and identified the right person from Opera about getting more involved.
  285. # [19:38] <eliot> shepazu: Head of dev rel from Opera was there.
  286. # [19:38] <eliot> ...Scott Murray (D3 expert) showed up. Good talk about SVG.
  287. # [19:39] <eliot> ACTION: Doug to send mail to opera
  288. # [19:39] <eliot> ACTION: each attendee of Fluent to send piggyback mail about what should be in a blog post about the Fluent Doc sprint
  289. # [19:40] <eliot> JenSimmons: do we know why 70 people didn't show up?
  290. # [19:41] <eliot> ACTION: on Julee to send out a 3 question survey about why people didn't show up
  291. # [19:42] <eliot> shepazu: we just want (politely) to know why people didn't show up
  292. # [19:42] <eliot> jensimmons: How did they find out about it? Why did they sign up? And then, why not show....
  293. # [19:45] <eliot> shepazu: We should follow up with this discussion on the list
  294. # [19:46] <eliot> ...how'd you hear about it? Did you show up? If not, why? Or something like that.
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  297. # [19:47] <eliot> TOPIC: Web Platform Wedesday
  298. # [19:47] <eliot> julee: JS docs didn't get good response, and it's documented elsewhere
  299. # [19:48] <eliot> ...do we want to do something we have more impact in, like SVG?
  300. # [19:48] <eliot> shepazu: YAY!
  301. # [19:49] <eliot> ACTION on Eliot to verify the content of the JS pages and sending out a request to the list or blog
  302. # [19:50] <eliot> shepazu: Regarding SVG: I can a) follow up with Scott Murray about having a doc sprint at an SVG conference in England
  303. # [19:51] <eliot> ...b) ask the SVG and d3 community --a small community--to help out with SVG
  304. # [19:51] <eliot> julee: we should pull in SVG designers, too
  305. # [19:52] <eliot> shepazu: MediaWiki doesn't let you do SVG on its pages. Looking for a workaround
  306. # [19:52] <eliot> ...love the idea of designers making attractive tutorials
  307. # [19:52] <eliot> ...2 main uses: data visualization and icons. We need several tutorials for those.
  308. # [19:53] <eliot> julee: sprite sheets, responsive SVG
  309. # [19:53] <eliot> ...what containers you can put SVG in
  310. # [19:53] <eliot> ...if Dapple doesn't work well, we could use Code Pen or something else
  311. # [19:54] <eliot> shepazu: Dabblet is fine.
  312. # [19:54] <eliot> sd/Dapple/Drupel
  313. # [19:57] <eliot> shepaze: scripting SVG, too
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  315. # [20:01] <@ravenzz> eliot did you realize that neither julee nor shepazu are here?
  316. # [20:01] <@ravenzz> is*
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  321. # [20:14] <@renoirb> eliot, you can have a look at http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Projects/Homepage
  322. # [20:15] <@renoirb> Its the summary of the objectives and reasons behind the static site generator
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  332. # [21:04] <FeatheredSerpent> inb4 someone screams "PASTEBIN!!!".
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  357. # [22:51] <@Ryan_Lane> renoirb: howdy
  358. # [22:52] <@Ryan_Lane> renoirb: was that github password reset email to the public list?
  359. # [22:52] <@Ryan_Lane> renoirb: also, we should block out some time to use the newer version of the deployment system and to upgrade mediawiki
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  364. # [23:28] <@renoirb> It was me Ryan_Lane
  365. # [23:29] <@renoirb> I totally agree Ryan_Lane
  366. # [23:29] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah, but does that go to a public list?
  367. # [23:29] <@Ryan_Lane> everything is now 100% checked into a git repo, right?
  368. # [23:29] <@renoirb> The mail went to team-webplatform-admin , it is not public
  369. # [23:29] <@Ryan_Lane> because the new deployment system is git based and not rsync based
  370. # [23:30] <@Ryan_Lane> so it forces people to check things in
  371. # [23:30] <@renoirb> Not all, we still have private things in salt
  372. # [23:30] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah, that's fine
  373. # [23:30] <@renoirb> (that’s a work in progress, i’m 80% there)
  374. # [23:30] <@Ryan_Lane> as long as the applications have everything checked-in it's fine
  375. # [23:31] <@Ryan_Lane> salt deploys itself anyway
  376. # [23:32] <@Ryan_Lane> we'll move one application at a time to the new deployer
  377. # [23:32] <@renoirb> But as for MediaWiki, I succeded to have something that seems to work from an empty checkout from mediawiki/core on refs/head/wmf/1.23wmf19 (from a few weeks ago)
  378. # [23:32] <@Ryan_Lane> excellent
  379. # [23:32] <@renoirb> and run a full install locall from my vagrant VM
  380. # [23:32] <@Ryan_Lane> does it work with all of our extensions, too?
  381. # [23:32] <@renoirb> from that https://github.com/webplatform/saltyvagrant-mediawiki
  382. # [23:32] <@Ryan_Lane> stupid SMW now must be installed via composer, so that should make things interesting
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  384. # [23:33] <@renoirb> I have a list of discrepancies though, Ryan_Lane
  385. # [23:33] <@renoirb> I have the list somewhere.
  386. # [23:33] <@Ryan_Lane> cool
  387. # [23:33] <@Ryan_Lane> I wonder if we can use composer on the deployment host, then check in whatever it pulls down
  388. # [23:34] <@Ryan_Lane> then push it out with git
  389. # [23:34] <@renoirb> i’d like that!
  390. # [23:34] <@Ryan_Lane> I hate that we have to do that
  391. # [23:34] <@renoirb> I think what’d nice is that the webplatform/mediawiki has all other external dependencies
  392. # [23:34] <@renoirb> if you think that’s a good idea
  393. # [23:34] <@Ryan_Lane> well, it mostly does now via submodules
  394. # [23:35] <@renoirb> yeah. I do not want to overthink it.
  395. # [23:36] <@renoirb> I think the best is that in /srv/code/docs … we can rebuilt it from nothing by doing some systematic operations: clone a wmflabs branch to current folder, put config files (*Settings.php) form private git repo, pull any other dependencies on top of that.
  396. # [23:39] <@renoirb> Ryan_Lane: Extension list is here: https://gist.github.com/renoirb/9923697
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  398. # [23:40] <@Ryan_Lane> renoirb: yeah
  399. # [23:41] <@renoirb> Some extensions might not be needed anymore. E.g. SearchAutocomplete can be set as a separate javascript. The other might be the comments, that we import them in our new notes.webplatform.org
  400. # [23:42] <@Ryan_Lane> renoirb: we could have a config repo and a MW repo
  401. # [23:42] <@Ryan_Lane> the MW repo could have the code and the extensions
  402. # [23:42] <@renoirb> But that’s an other matter, since I have you with me now, lets talk about things you know that I dont :)
  403. # [23:42] <@Ryan_Lane> then we can deploy the config separately from the code
  404. # [23:42] <@Ryan_Lane> sure
  405. # [23:43] <@renoirb> Config repo separate from code: I agree. In fact, I thought of Salting the salt master. In /srv/private/ I keep private files such as account information, SSL certificates, etc.
  406. # [23:43] <@Ryan_Lane> did I mention I figured out how to make gitfs work for salt? :)
  407. # [23:43] <@renoirb> yaay!
  408. # [23:43] <@Ryan_Lane> gitpython is missing from the apt repo
  409. # [23:43] <@Ryan_Lane> I put in a bug for that
  410. # [23:43] <@renoirb> Oh, One thing if you can help me fix it, its over my capabilities.
  411. # [23:43] <@Ryan_Lane> but you can pip install it
  412. # [23:44] <@renoirb> Can you help me trace what makes salt call slow, please
  413. # [23:44] <@Ryan_Lane> salt-call?
  414. # [23:44] <@Ryan_Lane> yeah. last time it was because it was including a ton of files, which I moved outside of its file path
  415. # [23:44] <@renoirb> no, on deployment, when I use ‘salt ‘whatever’ …’
  416. # [23:45] <@Ryan_Lane> when you use state.highstate?
  417. # [23:45] <@renoirb> Yeah, you talked to me about tracing. But its too cryptic for me.
  418. # [23:45] <@Ryan_Lane> or any command at all?
  419. # [23:45] <@renoirb> When I use state.highstate, state.sls etc
  420. # [23:45] <@renoirb> almost any command.
  421. # [23:45] <@Ryan_Lane> is test.ping slow/
  422. # [23:45] <@renoirb> no, not that.
  423. # [23:45] <@Ryan_Lane> are any of the nodes non-responsive?
  424. # [23:45] <@renoirb> no, that’s checked.
  425. # [23:45] <@Ryan_Lane> all the ones in the keys?
  426. # [23:45] <@renoirb> you are right, its only when state.something
  427. # [23:46] <@Ryan_Lane> ah. ok
  428. # [23:46] <@renoirb> I do everything through either state.highstate, or state.sls
  429. # [23:46] <@Ryan_Lane> I traced this last time by using strace and filtering on reads and writes
  430. # [23:46] <@Ryan_Lane> strace -Ff -p <pid-of-salt-master> -eread,write
  431. # [23:46] <@renoirb> Yeah, the options doesnt enlighten my brain.
  432. # [23:47] <@Ryan_Lane> and noticed that it was reading every single file in the file tree for every minion
  433. # [23:47] <@Ryan_Lane> what version of salt are you running?
  434. # [23:47] <@renoirb> current latest - 0.0.1
  435. # [23:48] * @Ryan_Lane nods
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  438. # [23:49] <@renoirb> Ok, let me see that
  439. # [23:50] <@renoirb> Ryan_Lane: any salt-master PID will do? Or I must use the parent pid?
  440. # [23:52] <@Ryan_Lane> parent
  441. # [23:52] <@Ryan_Lane> Ff tells it to attach to any fork as well
  442. # [23:52] <@renoirb> I assume its the smallest number in the list of pids
  443. # [23:52] <@renoirb> It reads a lot of things, but no names
  444. # [23:52] <@renoirb> [pid 6890] write(12, "\1\0\0\0...)
  445. # [23:52] <@renoirb> lots of nameless things
  446. # [23:54] <@Ryan_Lane> renoirb: it should be a pid with a parent of 1
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  448. # [23:55] <@renoirb> ok.
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  450. # [23:55] <@renoirb> When I look at `salt-master -l debug` it seems to read and re-read things like in a loop
  451. # [23:56] <@Ryan_Lane> what things is it reading?
  452. # [23:56] <@Ryan_Lane> do you have any large repos in its file roots path?
  453. # [23:57] <@renoirb> uhm. let me find the appropriate pid
  454. # [23:58] <@renoirb> pstree -p gave it to me. So I can strace AND follow log
  455. # [23:59] <@renoirb> nothing big. /srv/salt without much code.
  456. # [23:59] <@renoirb> and in pillar_roots: /srv/pillar, /srv/private/pillar
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