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  229. # [19:06] <@julee> hi
  230. # [19:07] <ptressel> o/
  231. # [19:09] <@renoirb> eliezerb: can you join
  232. # [19:09] <@renoirb> AmeliaBR: can you join VoIP?
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  236. # [19:10] <AmeliaBR> I can try. Wasn't sure if it was now or an hour from now.
  237. # [19:10] <@renoirb> its now :)
  238. # [19:10] <@renoirb> You have a VoIP client available?
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  240. # [19:10] <@renoirb> i can teach you how to have one if you dont
  241. # [19:10] <@renoirb> ping shepazu
  242. # [19:10] <+eliezerb> renoirb: I'm blocked by a proxy... I'll be on IRC
  243. # [19:10] <@renoirb> oh that’s a bummer
  244. # [19:11] <+eliezerb> renoirb: But I'll be focused on log
  245. # [19:11] <@renoirb> If you have good phone plan, +1.617.761.6200, Conference code: 3627 ("DOCS")
  246. # [19:12] <AmeliaBR> Just got my phone bill, so I don't think I'll do that. Might take a few minutes but I can download Skype...
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  248. # [19:16] <@renoirb> ok, download X-Lite, and create an account at ekiga
  249. # [19:16] <@julee> julee
  250. # [19:16] <@julee> 10:13
  251. # [19:16] <@julee> I'll scribe while renoirb talks...
  252. # [19:16] <@julee> 10:13
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  256. # [19:17] <@renoirb> Jérémie Patrionier
  257. # [19:18] <jswisher> Patonnier
  258. # [19:18] <@julee> ... he's w/ MDN
  259. # [19:19] <@julee> … we can crawl, we can get a table, we can normalize what we get
  260. # [19:19] <@julee> … we modify, add notes or removing notes, for example, if it's mozilla-specific
  261. # [19:20] <@julee> … there's a limitation in the python pager
  262. # [19:20] <@julee> … we don't want to hammer the server, but crawl the pages once we get them
  263. # [19:20] <@renoirb> Apache Nutch
  264. # [19:20] <@renoirb> ptressel:
  265. # [19:20] <@renoirb> ohai :)
  266. # [19:20] <ptressel> o/
  267. # [19:21] <@renoirb> we are talking about the crawler for the content to have it offline
  268. # [19:21] <@julee> … ptressel is doing this work with Nutch
  269. # [19:21] <@julee> … has a link...
  270. # [19:21] <@renoirb> http://docs.webplatform.org/test/css/properties/max-height#Testing_CompaTables
  271. # [19:21] <@renoirb> http://docs.webplatform.org/test/css/properties/break-before#Testing_CompaTables
  272. # [19:21] <ptressel> ...or w/ a hand-written crawler in node.js if nutch isn't sufficiently configurable.
  273. # [19:21] <@julee> … in these pages, when mdn is matched, we extend the template.
  274. # [19:22] <@julee> … sometimes, we have to put the tag manually
  275. # [19:22] <@julee> … more efficient than reading json and generating page per visitor
  276. # [19:22] <@julee> … Next steps: do this with caniuse.com.
  277. # [19:23] <@julee> … compare and merge
  278. # [19:23] <@julee> julee: when will this be ready for the wiki pages?
  279. # [19:23] <@julee> renoirb: all css properties pages can be done right now.
  280. # [19:23] <@renoirb> http://docs.webplatform.org/compat/compat-mdn.json
  281. # [19:24] <@julee> … barrier: hugh json object key
  282. # [19:24] <@renoirb> search break-before
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  284. # [19:24] <@julee> julee: what are the steps to adding the json
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  287. # [19:25] <@julee> renoirb: clunky json. take svg, for example
  288. # [19:25] <@julee> … user has to search for json.
  289. # [19:26] <@julee> … I will make a prettified version
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  291. # [19:26] <@julee> … but it would take a lot of time
  292. # [19:26] <@julee> … contributor would search for the key
  293. # [19:26] <@julee> … I'm in this media query, so here's how it's called
  294. # [19:27] <@julee> julee: can renoirb write the steps out?
  295. # [19:27] <@julee> renoirb: will write out the steps and show how you can get the key (in a more user-friendly way)
  296. # [19:28] <@julee> AI: renoirb will do this in a week or so
  297. # [19:28] <@julee> renoirb: eliezerb did some work on the flags
  298. # [19:28] <@julee> … we should get eliezerb on a conference call
  299. # [19:29] <@julee> julee: what do you need from eliezerb?
  300. # [19:29] <+eliezerb> renoirb: I'm not able to join VoIP but we can do a quick hangout/skype conf later
  301. # [19:29] <@julee> renoirb: to know what he needs to finalize the flags.
  302. # [19:30] <@renoirb> yes
  303. # [19:30] <@renoirb> eliezerb ^
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  306. # [19:31] <@julee> eliezerb: we're done with this topic. Will you please email what you need to finalized the flags or get together with renoirb & shepazu to talk about any issues
  307. # [19:31] <@julee> next topic: content cleanup
  308. # [19:32] <@julee> renoirb: when I made the static site on github and we changed the home page
  309. # [19:32] <@julee> … nodejs static site generator. github clone to work on static site
  310. # [19:32] <+eliezerb> julee: we already have a an open thread about this -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Apr/0036.html
  311. # [19:32] <@julee> … stuff we don't need to generate dynamically
  312. # [19:32] <@julee> … I'm going to make a script to minify
  313. # [19:33] <@julee> … Jen suggested to change the menu as well
  314. # [19:33] <@julee> … we con't have "Issues" anymore
  315. # [19:33] <@julee> … where do we want it?
  316. # [19:33] <@julee> … I removed the "talk" menu item
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  318. # [19:34] <@julee> … we still need "issues"
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  320. # [19:34] <@julee> … but Jen doesn't want it on the global nav
  321. # [19:36] <@renoirb> http://www.webplatform.org/talk/
  322. # [19:36] <@renoirb> http://www.webplatform.org/talk/chatlogs/
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  324. # [19:37] <@julee> julee: but our primary persona is contributors who should file bugs
  325. # [19:37] <@renoirb> Lets defer for the next meeting about that
  326. # [19:37] <@julee> AI: Julee to email Jen & the list
  327. # [19:37] <@julee> re: removal of issues from global nav
  328. # [19:37] <@julee> topic: single sign-on
  329. # [19:38] <@julee> renoirb: needs help with the resource server
  330. # [19:38] <@julee> jswisher: sent renoirb information of team members whom he can ask
  331. # [19:39] <@renoirb> http://notes.webplatform.org/
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  333. # [19:39] <@julee> topic: annotations system is live
  334. # [19:40] <@julee> renoirb wants to merge these accounts
  335. # [19:40] <@julee> … saw the code, saw why it wasn't working
  336. # [19:40] <@julee> … he'll be able to reuse what we already have
  337. # [19:42] <@frozenice> renoirb: remember to get the WebSocket __streamer__ for annotations up :)
  338. # [19:42] <@julee> meeting over.
  339. # [19:43] <@renoirb> [adjourned]
  340. # [19:44] <@renoirb> re merging account: use firefox accounts as an authentication system, and import user credentials from MW to be used in new system without asking users to create, yet again, a new password.
  341. # [19:44] <@renoirb> current status is in analysis phase
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  343. # [19:47] <@renoirb> re help with the resource server: I’d need directions from Mozilla people who has experience with OAuth; configuring roles for each resource (e.g. mediawiki, annotation, etc) and how to pre-authorize applications among them. In other words allow transparent usage connected apps and therefore not asking user confirmation when switching among them (e.g. MediaWiki, BugGenie, Hypothes.is).
  344. # [19:47] <@renoirb> what do you mean frozenice ?
  345. # [19:48] <@renoirb> the __streamer__ is not fixed yet?
  346. # [19:48] <@frozenice> doesn't look so
  347. # [19:48] <@frozenice> ws://notes.webplatform.org/__streamer__/000/aaaaaaaa/websocket
  348. # [19:48] <@frozenice> still: Error during WebSocket handshake: 'Connection' header value is not 'Upgrade': keep-alive
  349. # [19:48] <@renoirb> on which view you can create this bug?
  350. # [19:49] <@shepazu> ouch! sorry folks, I got caught up with the plumber, and didn't realize the time!!!!
  351. # [19:49] <@frozenice> it's on no view :P this is how my bot wants to connect to the streamer
  352. # [19:49] <@frozenice> works for hypothes.is
  353. # [19:50] <@shepazu> julee, jswisher, renoirb, I apologize :(
  354. # [19:50] <@renoirb> julee: I have a news for you
  355. # [19:51] <@renoirb> I fixed the sitemaps xml generation
  356. # [19:51] <@renoirb> julee: > http://www.webplatform.org/robots.txt
  357. # [19:51] <@julee> wow!
  358. # [19:51] <@julee> That's fantastic!!
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  360. # [19:52] <@renoirb> So, Its not automatic, but I got my head around it and have some notes to make it automated
  361. # [19:52] <@julee> Even if we run it occasionally, that'll be better than nothing!
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  363. # [19:52] <@renoirb> yup!
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  365. # [19:52] <@renoirb> In fact, that’s now part of the static pages project at https://github.com/webplatform/www.webplatform.org/
  366. # [19:53] <@julee> hey, renoirb: Some of the pages are getting stuck on "Waiting for available socket…"
  367. # [19:54] <@renoirb> When I’ll be done with the other sub projects [webplatform/mediawiki, webplatform/webplatform-wordpress-theme] i’ll have things automated when somebody changes something, it regenerates, makes a zip file, and syncs it to all machines
  368. # [19:54] <@julee> That would be so cool
  369. # [19:54] <@renoirb> ok, ill have a look with hypothesis
  370. # [19:54] <@julee> k
  371. # [20:01] <@renoirb> Julee, have a look at http://docs.webplatform.org/compat/compat-mdn-human.json
  372. # [20:02] <@julee> renoirb: pretty!
  373. # [20:03] <@julee> But then, what would be the next steps to getting this data into a page?
  374. # [20:04] <@renoirb> Have a look at the example at http://docs.webplatform.org/test/Tests/Compatibility_table_and_caching
  375. # [20:06] <@renoirb> you can edit a page julee, that one has the <compatability feature=“b” format=“table”></compatability>
  376. # [20:06] <@julee> Yes, there it's in the form of a table class="compat-table"
  377. # [20:07] <@renoirb> The way the HTML is generated is completely new. I can change the style easily, just that it wasnt the scope of my work ATM
  378. # [20:08] <@julee> Sorry, I typed that in before you mentioned editing a page.
  379. # [20:08] <@renoirb> I made sure it uses same HTML/CSS patterns… and that it doesnt break when you resize the browser. Lets rework the CSS later :)
  380. # [20:08] <@julee> Right now, I'm unable to get to the editing page
  381. # [20:08] <@renoirb> I even added some a11y attributes to the columns
  382. # [20:08] <@renoirb> you have to be logged in, are you? (its in the /test/ wiki)
  383. # [20:09] <@julee> When I try to log in (http://docs.webplatform.org/t/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&returnto=Tests%2FCompatibility+table+and+caching)
  384. # [20:09] <@renoirb> you might have to create another account there
  385. # [20:09] <@renoirb> its a separate wiki
  386. # [20:09] <@renoirb> (that’d be also part of the single SignOn :) )
  387. # [20:10] <@julee> I enter my password and select login, but it returns me to the page without logging me in
  388. # [20:10] <@julee> I had a login on the test pages before.
  389. # [20:11] <@renoirb> http://docs.webplatform.org/test/User:Julee
  390. # [20:11] <@renoirb> you are there, that’s strange
  391. # [20:11] <@julee> yep.
  392. # [20:11] <@renoirb> let me see if i can override your password
  393. # [20:12] <@julee> same thing happened on another page: http://docs.webplatform.org/test/javascript/Array
  394. # [20:12] <+eliezerb> renoirb: same here
  395. # [20:12] <+eliezerb> If I try to log in the test wiki
  396. # [20:12] <@renoirb> uhm.
  397. # [20:12] <@renoirb> oh, right!!
  398. # [20:12] <@renoirb> Varnish!
  399. # [20:12] <@renoirb> I know why.
  400. # [20:12] <@julee> eliezerb: are you seeing the "waiting for available socket…" status message.
  401. # [20:12] <@renoirb> cookies
  402. # [20:12] <+eliezerb> I'm redirected even if the password is wrong
  403. # [20:12] <@renoirb> Its my fault, i forgot the test wiki :(
  404. # [20:12] * @julee loves cookies — most of the time. Sometimes they're stale.
  405. # [20:13] <@renoirb> Improved the caching layer, I forgot to add test wiki cookies
  406. # [20:13] <+eliezerb> oh wait
  407. # [20:14] <@renoirb> eliezerb: look here https://github.com/webplatform/varnish-configs/blob/master/docs.vcl#L64
  408. # [20:14] <+eliezerb> I guess that I'm only logged at the Login page
  409. # [20:14] <@julee> ha!
  410. # [20:20] <@renoirb> julee, eliezerb fixed!
  411. # [20:20] <@renoirb> I’m very sorry for that
  412. # [20:20] <+eliezerb> renoirb: 100% now :)
  413. # [20:21] <@renoirb> sure!
  414. # [20:21] <+eliezerb> thank you!
  415. # [20:21] <+eliezerb> renoirb: ASAP I'll check again the flag system on test wiki
  416. # [20:22] <+eliezerb> renoirb: I need to see another time that working then I mail you with some "new" ideia or something more precise
  417. # [20:22] <@renoirb> eliezerb: https://github.com/webplatform/varnish-configs/commit/be9434c05d270674ecdc11ea8aa62bb007de8ccd#diff-e22d86fbcc5f43f7e1a2b4fb14724db9
  418. # [20:23] <+eliezerb> renoirb: but for now our situation is that email topic that I sent you a couple of minutes ago
  419. # [20:23] <@renoirb> ok, let me see
  420. # [20:24] <@julee> renoirb: back to where you said "you can edit a page julee, that one has the <compatability feature=“b” format=“table”></compatability>"
  421. # [20:24] <@julee> now that I can log on, I see what you're saying.
  422. # [20:25] <@renoirb> see :)
  423. # [20:25] <@julee> But then, I'm confused as to why I'd ever want to view the json.
  424. # [20:25] <@renoirb> julee, easy; You are working on a documentation page
  425. # [20:25] <@julee> Is it to get the value of feature=[value]
  426. # [20:25] <@julee> yes
  427. # [20:26] <@renoirb> and you find where, in that json, is defined the compatibility information
  428. # [20:26] <@renoirb> you would add this tag.
  429. # [20:26] <@renoirb> … or have a SemanticMediaWiki form input to let you set that keyword.
  430. # [20:26] <@renoirb> precisely.
  431. # [20:26] <@julee> I'd add the compatibility tag, no problem. But what value do I need to look up in the raw json?
  432. # [20:27] <@renoirb> the first level key
  433. # [20:27] <@renoirb> In the json file, http://docs.webplatform.org/compat/compat-mdn-human.json, at "battery-manager”,
  434. # [20:28] <@julee> OK, so just for clarification, are these the steps I'd take?
  435. # [20:28] <@renoirb> should match to our doc at … (searching) ...
  436. # [20:28] <@renoirb> yes
  437. # [20:28] <@julee> 1. Review the box-shadow page.
  438. # [20:28] <@renoirb> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/apis/battery_status/BatteryManager
  439. # [20:28] <@julee> 2. In edit mode, if it does not have the new compatibility tag, add it:
  440. # [20:29] <@julee> 2.a. Go to http://docs.webplatform.org/compat/compat-mdn-human.json
  441. # [20:29] <@julee> 2.b. Search for box-shadow
  442. # [20:29] * Parts: svineet (~Thunderbi@117.200.93.248)
  443. # [20:30] <@renoirb> (sometimes keywords doesnt match, like I showed here with ‘battery-manager’ … and “apis/battery_status/BatteryManager”)
  444. # [20:30] <@julee> 2.c. If box-shadow exists, add <compatability feature=“box-shadow” format=“table”></compatability> in edit mode
  445. # [20:30] <@renoirb> exactly, julee
  446. # [20:30] <@julee> If box-shadow does not exist, search for similar terms.
  447. # [20:30] <@renoirb> yes
  448. # [20:30] <@julee> 2.d. Otherwise, ask renoirb. ;-)
  449. # [20:30] <@julee> Got it!
  450. # [20:30] <@julee> Thanks renoirb.
  451. # [20:31] <@julee> SISTITH — sorry I'm so thick in the head
  452. # [20:32] <@renoirb> But in the case of CSS properties, it was easy. Because we map almost one-to-one with the address (e.g. css/properties/border-left) we can map to “border-left” directly and make a template for it http://docs.webplatform.org/test/css/properties/border-left
  453. # [20:32] <@julee> Oh, but, theoretically, we could do a script that would add the compatibility table info to a page based on a URL-JSON match, right?
  454. # [20:32] <@renoirb> That’s ok julee, transfering knowledge from somebody who had to wrap it all in his mind to somebody else is a sport… that is not easy :/
  455. # [20:32] <@julee> docs.wp.org…/box-shadow with json 1st node box-shadow...
  456. # [20:33] <@julee> I hear ya.
  457. # [20:33] <@renoirb> yes, i know. itll be improved
  458. # [20:33] <@renoirb> For now, we deal with what we have and we do not have collision. We’ll have eventually to separate the nest.
  459. # [20:33] <@julee> Also, you may want to change the tag name to compatibility (not compata…)
  460. # [20:33] <@julee> yes, makes sense
  461. # [20:34] <@renoirb> its not top level BTW, I just removed the useless stuff in the -human.json file.
  462. # [20:34] <@julee> ah got it.
  463. # [20:34] <@renoirb> (useless for this particular task)
  464. # [20:34] <@julee> y
  465. # [20:34] <@renoirb> Its a list of browser version, etc.
  466. # [20:34] <@julee> right
  467. # [20:34] <@renoirb> also, note that the “notes” part in the JSON is not used at all.
  468. # [20:35] <@julee> That's good, right? Then we won't overwrite any custom notes that folks have already put in?
  469. # [20:35] <@renoirb> its a sanity check, I copied over in that part of the nest so we can ensure once again if the mapping makes sense
  470. # [20:35] <@julee> UhOh. Late for an appt. Gotta go.
  471. # [20:35] <@renoirb> ok, glad you are up to date now!!
  472. # [20:35] <@renoirb> :)
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  475. # [20:42] <AmeliaBR> @renoirB FYI that I did eventually get a VOIP/SIP set up (after spending too much time trying to figure out how I was supposed to be able to call in free from my Skype account), but the conference call must have ended by then -- got the "restricted at this time" message. Next week?
  476. # [20:46] <@renoirb> AmeliaBR: let me get back to you (in a meeting ATM)
  477. # [20:47] <@renoirb> i’ll help you to set it up, np
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  508. # [22:37] <@renoirb> AmeliaBR: yt?
  509. # [22:38] <AmeliaBR> I'm back
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  511. # [22:42] <AmeliaBR> (pinging @renoirb)
  512. # [22:42] <@renoirb> ok AmeliaBR
  513. # [22:42] <@renoirb> so, you got an access to ekiga?
  514. # [22:42] <@renoirb> Sorry, a VoIP address. Ekiga, https://ekiga.im/, has it free
  515. # [22:43] <AmeliaBR> Yep. I was able to get an Ekiga account and software working.
  516. # [22:43] <AmeliaBR> Working in that I was calling in to the system and it was recognizing the conference code as valid, just no longer open for connections by that time.
  517. # [22:44] <AmeliaBR> Any idea where the comment about "Skype users should be able to call in for free" came from / is that out of date?
  518. # [22:45] <@renoirb> I never succeeded to use it with skype for free
  519. # [22:45] <@renoirb> have a look in private, i created a test room
  520. # [22:45] <@renoirb> fo you to test
  521. # [22:46] <@renoirb> s/fo/for
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  531. # [23:13] <@Garbee> AmeliaBR: The skype thing is probably outdated. Originally we used one of the stewards' phone conference setups.
  532. # [23:14] <@Garbee> Not sure if that has changed though. It has been a long time since I participated in a telcon.
  533. # [23:18] <AmeliaBR> Maybe there used to be a North America toll-free number? And then people have been copying & pasting the same blurb without thinking about it...
  534. # [23:20] <@Garbee> Yea, the old conference system was that. A toll-free number that was called which connected to a conference system.
  535. # [23:20] <@Garbee> We then put in the code for the conference and were connected in.
  536. # [23:21] <AmeliaBR> Ah well, I got it figured out eventually, and Renoir even set me up a test conference to ensure that I could hear him and he could hear me. But I spent waaay too long looking at Skype help pages trying to figure out how to connect with SIP!
  537. # [23:22] <@Garbee> :(
  538. # [23:22] <@Garbee> I'm sorry.
  539. # [23:22] <@renoirb> AmeliaBR: the phone number is straight to Cambridge (Boston), MA at MIT
  540. # [23:22] <@Garbee> I'll be glad when I'm not working on this store site so much. Then I can work on W3Fools, and after that WPD again along with other documentation stuff I want to do.
  541. # [23:22] <@renoirb> Can you point out the pages you found (from your history) it would be worh adjusting!
  542. # [23:23] <@Garbee> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Meetings
  543. # [23:24] <@Garbee> That whole telcon info section needs updating.
  544. # [23:24] <@Garbee> We deprecated the -site room.
  545. # [23:24] <AmeliaBR> This is the useful page I found about the MIT/W3 conference: http://www.w3.org/2006/tools/wiki/Zakim-SIP
  546. # [23:24] <AmeliaBR> and http://www.w3.org/2006/tools/wiki/Zakim-SIP-tips
  547. # [23:24] <AmeliaBR> (tele)conference (system)
  548. # [23:27] <AmeliaBR> @Garbee Yes, I must have stumbled across that previously, because I know I was expecting to just dial in a 1-800 number
  549. # [23:28] <@Garbee> I'm not seeing anything else on the docs currently with skype even mentioned except for some a11y stuff in the docs themselves.
  550. # [23:28] <@renoirb> This system is not young at all, btw
  551. # [23:28] <@Garbee> Also, you can save yourself the @ symbol when mentioning us.
  552. # [23:29] <@Garbee> Just saying our nicks does fine. The @ just represents our Op privs.
  553. # [23:29] <@renoirb> At MIT, we have a few bots. One to take care of the line (“Zakim”) one for generating the minutes (but we have to be on same channel, we only have it on irc.w3.org that is a public IRC network too), and one that sends bugs to issue tracker from IRC
  554. # [23:29] <@renoirb> W3C works heavily via IRC
  555. # [23:29] <AmeliaBR> That page *does* redirect to http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Community/Meetings/Content, which is up-to-date. But having the out-of-date material is distracting.
  556. # [23:30] <@renoirb> Yeah, the @ just means Operator in IRC symbols
  557. # [23:30] <@Garbee> renoirb: Am I hearing that I should join another IRC network?
  558. # [23:30] <@Garbee> :P
  559. # [23:31] <AmeliaBR> (and thanks for the tips, Garbee, wasn't sure it would ping without the extra symbols)
  560. # [23:31] <@Garbee> Yup, pings perfect! ;)
  561. # [23:32] <@renoirb> Oh, that :)
  562. # [23:32] <@renoirb> AmeliaBR, irc.w3.org is also available for the public.
  563. # [23:32] <@Garbee> rofl. I can't deop myself here.
  564. # [23:32] <@renoirb> Team member has access to special rooms that aren’t accessible tot he public. If you /whois renoirb on irc.w3.org you will see I have team.cloak
  565. # [23:33] <@renoirb> Same for shepazu
  566. # [23:33] <@Garbee> I think I do enough support on Freenode. Not sure if I could handle another network. :/
  567. # [23:33] <@renoirb> So, if you want to see the bleedingest (sic) just go to irc.w3.org on #css and see how webstandards are made!
  568. # [23:33] <@Garbee> Then again, I bet the W3 IRC is more technically minded.
  569. # [23:34] <@renoirb> its for members to collaborate, and public to read the meetings.
  570. # [23:34] <@renoirb> Also, if you want, you can follow the mailing lists from here http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/
  571. # [23:34] <@renoirb> And, the community groups at https://w3.org/community
  572. # [23:35] <@renoirb> but… for web developers that actually make web pages, its too technical.
  573. # [23:35] <@renoirb> Generally conversations are about how the browser should ...
  574. # [23:35] <@renoirb> (do things)
  575. # [23:35] <@Garbee> also, #whatwg on *this* (freenode) network.
  576. # [23:35] <AmeliaBR> I'm not sure if you're trying to suck me in or scare me away...
  577. # [23:36] <@Garbee> AmeliaBR: imo, hang around if you can separate the noise that you can't understand, that way you can find awesome stuff out that you may not have known before.
  578. # [23:36] <@Garbee> I am in like 30 rooms in Freenode for that reason. I go through logs of discussion and find neat tricks and things that show up.
  579. # [23:37] <@renoirb> hahaha AmeliaBR
  580. # [23:38] <@renoirb> no, just telling you what is what, in case you are interrested
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  583. # [23:38] <@renoirb> I wished I learned this when I started professionnaly
  584. # [23:38] <@renoirb> I might have started reading the mailing lists before. I learned so much just by doing that.
  585. # [23:39] <@Garbee> oh wow, there is a payments room.
  586. # [23:39] <@Garbee> But, only one other person. :(
  587. # [23:40] <@Garbee> I actually need to look into that. I've seen almost nothing from the payments WG.
  588. # [23:40] <@Garbee> I wonder what is up with it.
  589. # [23:41] <AmeliaBR> Fair enough. Scanning the mailing list archives is a good way to keep track of what's up. <renoir> Not much it looks like: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-payments/ <Garbee>
  590. # [23:42] <@Garbee> ah yea nothing really. :(
  591. # [23:42] <@Garbee> Working on an ecommerce thing, a payment API standard would be epic.
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  593. # [23:47] <@renoirb> you tried Stripe Garbee ?
  594. # [23:47] <@Garbee> Yup.
  595. # [23:47] <@Garbee> Stripe has a very nice API.
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  597. # [23:47] <@Garbee> and a dev sandbox that works. :P (Shaking fist at Paypal here.)
  598. # [23:49] <@renoirb> Have also a look at APIary
  599. # [23:49] <@renoirb> http://apiary.io/
  600. # [23:49] <@renoirb> it allows you to create API and documentation
  601. # [23:49] <@Garbee> ugh, I hate living where I do. No conferences are anywhere near me. :(
  602. # [23:50] <@renoirb> with mock data so you can work with your logic and the API without making the backend right away, it gives also logging on attempts while developing
  603. # [23:50] <@renoirb> you are in Oregon?
  604. # [23:50] <@Garbee> Southern Virginia. :(
  605. # [23:50] <@Garbee> But, might as well be Oregon.
  606. # [23:51] <@renoirb> I have no idea. I’m a frenchie from Québec
  607. # [23:51] <@renoirb> :)
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  609. # [23:52] <@renoirb> I just looked where South Virginia is, that’s not close to water :/
  610. # [23:54] <@Garbee> We are kinda close to Smith Mountain Lake.
  611. # [23:54] <@Garbee> I live just outside of Lynchburg.
  612. # [23:55] <@Garbee> +1 to apiary.
  613. # [23:55] <@Garbee> This thing looks awesome.
  614. # [23:56] <@renoirb> In my life, I only went to (and around) Boston, New-York, Chicago, Pompano Beach, Miami. That is all.
  615. # [23:58] <@Garbee> I've been down to Orlando (driving) for a comic convention with my dad (megacon.)
  616. # [23:58] <@Garbee> Lived in Charlotte, NC for two years as a kid.
  617. # [23:58] <@Garbee> And Google flew me out to Mountain View for a Doc sprint in Dec 2012.
  618. # [23:58] <@Garbee> Other than that, I've mostly just been here.
  619. # [23:59] <@Garbee> Washington DC on a school trip for one day (few times actually. Different schools.) and then VA Beach for some vacations.
  620. # [23:59] <@Garbee> That is the extent of my travels.
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