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  1. # Session Start: Wed Apr 16 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #webplatform
  3. # [00:00] <@renoirb> you never got out of USA?
  4. # [00:00] <@Garbee> Nope.
  5. # [00:00] <@Garbee> :(
  6. # [00:01] <@Garbee> Once I get done with this store site and am working on WPD again, I should probably try to find a way to one of the international doc sprints.
  7. # [00:01] <@Garbee> That would be awesome.
  8. # [00:01] <@Garbee> btw, https://codio.com --- Online IDE. Pretty nifty.
  9. # [00:02] <@Garbee> Been using it lately, other than some pretty major intermittent issues the past two weeks it has been awesome.
  10. # [00:03] <@renoirb> cool.
  11. # [00:03] <@renoirb> I try to focus on vim and when I must use a mouse, sublime text
  12. # [00:03] <@renoirb> must as in, my human behavior kicks in :D
  13. # [00:03] <@Garbee> yea, I have vim keybindings on.
  14. # [00:03] <@Garbee> :D
  15. # [00:04] <@Garbee> I *love* vim for local editing.
  16. # [00:04] <@Garbee> But, this keeps my dev system stable and out of my hands.
  17. # [00:04] <@Garbee> Plus, works on my Chromebook. :D
  18. # [00:05] <@renoirb> do you use visual mode?
  19. # [00:05] <@Garbee> From time-to-time.
  20. # [00:05] <@renoirb> in horizontal?
  21. # [00:05] <@Garbee> Mainly when I'm re-indenting certain chunks of code.
  22. # [00:05] <@renoirb> sorry, vertical?
  23. # [00:06] <@Garbee> You mean my monitor orientation?
  24. # [00:06] <@renoirb> no, I wanted to know what you know that I dont, and vice-versa
  25. # [00:07] <@Garbee> I have no clue what the orientation is referring too.
  26. # [00:07] <@renoirb> I do a few quirks such as executing command with :! , regexes with :%s/from/to/
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  28. # [00:07] * @Garbee don't regex.
  29. # [00:07] <@Garbee> I don't get how to regex. Not a skill I have needed yet.
  30. # [00:08] <@Garbee> https://github.com/garbee/dotvim --My needs are pretty simple.
  31. # [00:08] <@renoirb> if you get in [ESC] and do [CTRL]+[v] and move your cursor down. You can then do [shIft]+[i] and type. When you [ESC], then : it’ll do the same that you typed.
  32. # [00:08] <@renoirb> b = goes word backward
  33. # [00:08] <@renoirb> w = goes word forward
  34. # [00:09] <@Garbee> ah, those are the jump commands!
  35. # [00:09] <@renoirb> learn the basics without dotfiles. I can tell you, I have a curse at the moment.
  36. # [00:09] <@Garbee> I had been looking for those.
  37. # [00:09] <@renoirb> I learned screen with replacing [CTRL]+[a] with [ctrl]+[j]
  38. # [00:09] <@Garbee> (too lazy to RTFM and apparently haven't been able to find the right keywords for Google.)
  39. # [00:09] <@renoirb> and now i cannot unlearn
  40. # [00:09] <@renoirb> oh
  41. # [00:10] <@Garbee> I don't get what to call the commands where you actually quick jump around the document.
  42. # [00:10] <@Garbee> like Ctrl + A is end of line,then insert mode.
  43. # [00:10] <@Garbee> but I don't know how to get to the beginning. :(
  44. # [00:10] <@Garbee> Although, that one I can probably Google.
  45. # [00:11] <@Garbee> argh. ofc, I search that one, and get a good cheatsheet: http://www.worldtimzone.com/res/vi.html
  46. # [00:11] <@Garbee> fml
  47. # [00:11] <@Garbee> I spent a whole day looking for a navigation cheatsheet like this.
  48. # [00:11] <@Garbee> (few months ago.)
  49. # [00:16] <@renoirb> begining is easy Garbee
  50. # [00:16] <@renoirb> escape 0
  51. # [00:16] <@renoirb> to get to a line its escape :34
  52. # [00:17] <@renoirb> to go to line 34
  53. # [00:17] <@renoirb> in a json file, to format it
  54. # [00:17] <@renoirb> :%! python -m json.tool
  55. # [00:17] <@renoirb> % means take in put from current file, ! means that its to execute something, then python -m json.tool is to use the json.tool utility to pretty format it
  56. # [00:19] <@renoirb> if you are in a place where you want to delete a word
  57. # [00:19] <@renoirb> esc, dw will delete word
  58. # [00:19] <@renoirb> or a line from where you are: esc d$
  59. # [00:19] <@renoirb> $ is end of line
  60. # [00:19] <@renoirb> % is next matching bracket ({}, <>)
  61. # [00:20] <@Garbee> ah, to delete a line I always Shift + V and dd
  62. # [00:20] <@Garbee> d$ seems much faster. :P
  63. # [00:22] <@renoirb> yes, SHIFT + V is for lines
  64. # [00:22] <@renoirb> and if you do ctrl+u and ctrl+d
  65. # [00:22] <@renoirb> goes up and down
  66. # [00:22] <@renoirb> get used with those, youll see :)
  67. # [00:23] <@Garbee> I'll need to go over all that again later. :P
  68. # [00:24] <@Garbee> Focusing on a DB structure right now.
  69. # [00:24] <@Garbee> Product variations suck.
  70. # [00:24] <@Garbee> :(
  71. # [00:25] <@renoirb> Doctrine2?
  72. # [00:25] <@Garbee> I think I may just hash the keys together. Use that as an identifier.
  73. # [00:25] <@Garbee> Nah, eloquent.
  74. # [00:25] <@renoirb> let me have a look.
  75. # [00:25] <@renoirb> As I recall, the de-facto respected standard is Doctrine2 those days.
  76. # [00:26] <@Garbee> I need a way to identify product variations. i.e. one product can have 6 different variations (some even a few dozen variations due to colors.)
  77. # [00:26] <@renoirb> I validated with Python SQLAlchemy guys and explained what Doctrine2 says and its what the good ORMs does
  78. # [00:26] <@Garbee> Storing all variations and their values in their own table, relating back to the main product to which they belong.
  79. # [00:27] <@renoirb> you see, soft delete is a good pattern.
  80. # [00:27] <@Garbee> Yea, eloquent has soft deletes.
  81. # [00:27] <@renoirb> But it should not be part of ORM.
  82. # [00:27] <@Garbee> What is it you want to look at exactly?
  83. # [00:27] <@renoirb> ORM is ONLY about Object Relation Maps.
  84. # [00:27] <@renoirb> Not behavior.
  85. # [00:28] <@Garbee> http://laravel.com/docs/eloquent --Docs to eloquent.
  86. # [00:28] <@renoirb> If you want behaviuor, you can add @ORM\LifecycleEvents annotation to a Doctrine2 entity.
  87. # [00:28] * @renoirb sounds opinionated, sorry for that. If you were to use Doctrine2, I coudl actually guide you.
  88. # [00:28] <@renoirb> i’m in the eloquent docs :)
  89. # [00:28] <@renoirb> that’s why I’m saying this;
  90. # [00:29] <@renoirb> The nice thing is that you do not need an annotation reader, like symfony.
  91. # [00:29] <@Garbee> Yea. I just went with what Laravel provides. It has gotten the job done well so far.
  92. # [00:29] <@renoirb> But I never tried it.
  93. # [00:29] <@Garbee> Better than what i was using anyways. :P
  94. # [00:29] <@renoirb> Sure.
  95. # [00:30] <@renoirb> I’m sure you can use Doctrine2 into laravel
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  97. # [00:31] <@Garbee> yup, you could.
  98. # [00:31] <@Garbee> Let me go check out the doctrine docs on that.
  99. # [00:31] <@Garbee> Maybe it will let me think of a way to do it in Eloquent.
  100. # [00:34] <@renoirb> the architecture seems to be different.
  101. # [00:34] <@renoirb> Eloquent makes me think of how Propel 1 worked
  102. # [00:35] <@renoirb> i might be wrong. I looked at documentation for five minutes only
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  104. # [00:38] <@Garbee> Yea, Laravel does a bit more that only what an ORM should do.
  105. # [00:39] <@Garbee> Laravel/Eloquent
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  139. # [04:55] <@renoirb> Garbee: Doctrine2 does all of what I’m talking about. Doctrine has a clear separation between common libraries to handle resultsets (regardless they come out off MongoDB, or MySQL), the connection layer (“DBAL”), the ORM, the ODM (for MongoDB), and on top of that, doctrine uses Symfony EventDispatcher; with that you have a set of events that you can create subscribers to handle.
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  144. # [04:56] <@renoirb> And compared to Laravel+eloquent its one package back again like the old time. I might be wrong. Just that its been heavily inspired by Hibernate2 that is based on Hibernate1 that was already good in the java world.
  145. # [04:57] <@renoirb> And I feel that Eloquent is not leveraging the lessons learned.
  146. # [04:57] <@renoirb> that is all.
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  187. # [10:41] <@Garbee> You aren't wrong at all on what Eloquent is doing. But, it is built to be a more simple API all around. So mixing all the functions into the ORM gives a simple thing to setup and a pretty good API to interact with it from.
  188. # [10:42] <@Garbee> Yes, it kinda sucks for people that have used non-inclusive things. But for people that haven't touched one or just like the API that is the easiest to get running in, Eloquent is fine. Especially for teaching others.
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