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  1. # Session Start: Thu May 08 00:00:00 2014
  2. # Session Ident: #webplatform
  3. # [00:00] <@julee> IMHO : flip the switch! ;-) Thanks much, renoirb!
  4. # [00:00] <@julee> Oh, and add the oauth stuff, because of the non-ssl login process, if anyone cares.
  5. # [00:00] <@renoirb> the image quirk... I think its due to confusion and a caching, "just" have to find the right one among: MW cache, Fastly, MW File:filename.png cache .... and also for good measure we have files with same purpose but different name and formats
  6. # [00:01] <@julee> lol
  7. # [00:01] <@renoirb> http://docs.webplatform.org/upgrade/File:cc-by-sa-small-wpd.png http://docs.webplatform.org/upgrade/File:cc-by-sa-small-wpd.svg and various http://docs.webplatform.org/upgrade/Template:External_Attribution_Block/MDN http://docs.webplatform.org/upgrade/Template:External_Attribution_Block/MSDN that has hardcoded File:name.ext urls...
  8. # [00:01] <@renoirb> this is crazy
  9. # [00:01] <@julee> I meant add the oauth to the version page when you can
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  11. # [00:02] <@renoirb> julee, have a look at https://accounts.webplatform.org/
  12. # [00:02] <@renoirb> its not live, not in use, and data you create wont be kept. But, its the new account system i'm working on. it uses mozilla Firefox Accounts... that they use with the new Firefox 29 sync https://accounts.firefox.com/
  13. # [00:04] <@julee> yes, I'm just referring to the fact that I am on an http:// page instead of https:// page when I am entering my username & password.
  14. # [00:06] <@julee> So I figured it was because you were using some schema that doesn't require ssl, right?
  15. # [00:07] <@julee> oauth?
  16. # [00:08] <@julee> At any rate, I think if it's listed with the other things on the http://docs.webplatform.org/upgrade/Special:Version page, it will help those who are more expert than I.
  17. # [00:10] <@julee> renoirb : re: https://accounts.webplatform.org/signup — yeah!!
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  19. # [00:14] <AmeliaBR> renoirb: #iditis like that. Mostly I was using ids because they already existed in the templates and I thought it was the safest way to avoid messing up anything else on the page -- since I knew that a given id was only going to exist in one place, so if I made all my selectors descendants of that it would help quarantine them.
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  21. # [00:30] <@renoirb> oh, sure AmeliaBR. But i'm not saying that you have it. Just that in your example there's other ways to use the same anchors that all mediawiki templates has instead of #id
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  23. # [00:31] <@renoirb> julee, we do not have ssl so far because nobody set it in place. Because it requires that we have a SSL certificate (that we didn't had, so far) at Fastly, then between our server, and fastly, then fastly to the public.
  24. # [00:31] <@renoirb> But I talked to Fastly and we will have it enabled.
  25. # [00:31] <@renoirb> But in the meantime the priority is that the login mechanism is independent from MW and that it supports OAuth.
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  27. # [00:32] <@renoirb> With OAuth, we'll be able to connect other dots together.
  28. # [00:32] <@renoirb> SSL will be there too... but i'd prefer prioritize other stability issues first.
  29. # [00:32] <@renoirb> s/stability issues/stability threats/
  30. # [00:33] <AmeliaBR> On wonky API parameters. I've got a temp fix on the test wiki, to not print the syntax block at all if there is more than one parameter. For reasons I haven't quite figured out, some methods that only have one parameter are returning a count of 2, and therefore also getting suppressed, but better than the reverse...?
  31. # [00:34] <AmeliaBR> Test wiki template as edited: http://docs.webplatform.org/t/index.php?title=Template:API_Object_Method&action=edit
  32. # [00:34] <@julee> OK, you know best renoirb. I'm just reading that OAuth 2, which is what Mozilla uses (https://login.persona.org/sign_in), requires SSL. But what do I know?! I leave it in your capable hands.
  33. # [00:34] <@renoirb> Thanks julee.
  34. # [00:35] <@renoirb> I can make it simple to understand now that I spent all that time reading about it :)
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  37. # [00:37] <@renoirb> I thought of installing persona julee... https://webplatformhome.global.ssl.fastly.net/.well-known/browserid But it'd require we also provide email. Not there yet. Not sure its going to be a priority soon either.
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  41. # [00:48] <@renoirb> AmeliaBR, I think its related to the #ask filter that Dom is talking about < http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Special:Ask
  42. # [00:48] <@renoirb> http://docs.webplatform.org/upgrade/Special:Ask
  43. # [00:49] <@renoirb> http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Inline_queries
  44. # [00:49] <@renoirb> AmeliaBR ^
  45. # [00:50] <AmeliaBR> Thanks, yeah, working on it. I'm using an ask query with "count" result format to find out how many parameters, but it's giving me "2" when there is only 1.
  46. # [00:51] <AmeliaBR> It gives the right number if zero or if more than 1, at least in the examples I've tested...
  47. # [00:51] <@renoirb> i think we should look at how the ordering works... based on the document id of each attribute or something like that
  48. # [00:51] <@renoirb> or if we can have an order property and use it for sorting
  49. # [00:52] <@renoirb> ... but i never used that.
  50. # [00:52] <@renoirb> i should get back at oauth/ accoutns now.
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  52. # [00:55] <+eliezerb> Hey AmeliaBR renoirb
  53. # [00:55] <+eliezerb> Can you give an insight about what you guys have been doing?
  54. # [00:56] <AmeliaBR> eliezerb: For the wonky API syntax, I've been starting with a stop-gap approach: count how many parameters there are, and if more than one don't print syntax (better nothing than incorrect!)
  55. # [00:57] <+eliezerb> AmeliaBR: I solve the order issue
  56. # [00:57] <+eliezerb> Adding two more parameters on the ask query
  57. # [00:57] <+eliezerb> sort=Property value syntax|order=asc
  58. # [00:57] <+eliezerb> for the templates where there is the Syntax header
  59. # [00:58] * +eliezerb will read the ML thread with patience
  60. # [00:59] <AmeliaBR> The template with the problem is http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Template:API_Object_Method
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  62. # [01:00] <AmeliaBR> and http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Template:Method_Parameter defines the properties used in that template's ask query
  63. # [01:01] <+eliezerb> AmeliaBR: So two issues
  64. # [01:01] <+eliezerb> 1) Random order at Synax
  65. # [01:02] <+eliezerb> Syntax*
  66. # [01:03] <+eliezerb> 2) Do not display any parameter if no one is related to the page?
  67. # [01:03] <+eliezerb> Am I Right?
  68. # [01:03] <AmeliaBR> The don't display works fine. That was just a stop gap I was suggesting: until we get syntax right, hide it for the ones that will be wonky
  69. # [01:04] <AmeliaBR> This is my test template code: http://docs.webplatform.org/t/index.php?title=Template:API_Object_Method&action=edit
  70. # [01:06] <AmeliaBR> It ends up blocking some syntaxes that it shouldn't (e.g. http://docs.webplatform.org/t/index.php?title=dom/methods/getElementById&action=submit ), but it might still be worth pushing to the main site for now while we work on getting the actual syntax right
  71. # [01:06] <AmeliaBR> (of course, we wouldn't copy the bit of code that prints out the parameter count -- that was just me trying to figure out what was going on!)
  72. # [01:07] <+eliezerb> AmeliaBR: We can disable this syntax section for the API template
  73. # [01:07] <+eliezerb> For now
  74. # [01:07] <+eliezerb> And just do the order fix for the CSS templates
  75. # [01:08] <+eliezerb> Actually they are in different files
  76. # [01:09] <+eliezerb> We can work on the fix for the API for now to fix the issue
  77. # [01:09] <AmeliaBR> Yeah, easiest would just be to comment out the entire section of the template. My idea of checking for parameter count just complicates things and makes pages inconsistent. Haven't checked the CSS templates. Same issue I assume?
  78. # [01:09] <+eliezerb> yup
  79. # [01:09] <+eliezerb> but adding that two parameters
  80. # [01:09] <+eliezerb> It wil lbe fine
  81. # [01:10] <+eliezerb> to the as query it will be fine
  82. # [01:10] <+eliezerb> I will do the update
  83. # [01:16] <AmeliaBR> Okay. Looked at CSS: really a different issue, isn't it? Each "property value syntax" field is an entire expression of form `property: name;`, the query just creates a table of all the possibilities.
  84. # [01:17] <+eliezerb> AmeliaBR: Yes
  85. # [01:18] <+eliezerb> The CSS Property Syntax it's only a list of a property
  86. # [01:18] <+eliezerb> The API Object Template auto generates that line of code
  87. # [01:18] <+eliezerb> It's a little bit more complex
  88. # [01:19] <+eliezerb> http://project.webplatform.org/tmpl/issues/15
  89. # [01:19] <AmeliaBR> Exactly. Once we get it figured out, we could start dealing with making better syntax for CSS properties that take multiple values (e.g. background) in a particular order, but first things first...
  90. # [01:20] <+eliezerb> AmeliaBR: We need to get some data consistent
  91. # [01:21] <+eliezerb> Let's fix that CSS order and them give priority to the API Objects
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  93. # [01:21] <AmeliaBR> In the meantime, do you also want to edit http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Template:API_Object_Method to comment out the syntax block entirely while I play around in test wiki land trying to figure out a solution?
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  95. # [01:27] <AmeliaBR> eliezerb renoirb: I'm searching the semantic mediawiki docs, but off the top of your heads do you know of a parser function/template that can create an auto-incremented counter?
  96. # [01:28] <AmeliaBR> (e.g., every time a template is called, the next value is assigned...)
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  99. # [01:44] <@shepazu> AmeliaBR, maybe we should just create a different template for those pages?
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  101. # [01:46] <AmeliaBR> shepazu: Well, if nothing else we just add a field to the form where you can indicate the index of the paramater
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  103. # [01:47] <@renoirb> Yeah, that's what I thought AmeliaBR... If we have methodA(PropertyA, PropertyB, PropertyC) and we want to have methodB(PropertyB, PropertyA) we are screwed. But in javascript property names aren't very relevant.... except to describe the structure. If we deduplicate... we loose the advantage to create PropertyA once and refer to it in multiple places.
  104. # [01:47] <AmeliaBR> E.g., for a syntax like .insertBefore(newElement, before), the sub-form for "newElement" would explicitly say "Parameter index: 1", while the sub-form for "before" would explicitly say "Parameter index: 2". Then it's easy to sort by "Parameter index"
  105. # [01:48] <@shepazu> hrm
  106. # [01:48] <@renoirb> How about we rethink the way those pages are made
  107. # [01:48] <AmeliaBR> renoirb: hadn't thought of that. Is it an issue in the API pages, though? The parameters don't have their own pages, they are just SMW properties of the method page.
  108. # [01:49] <+eliezerb> An "simple" solution maybe is change this field to be edited by a text field
  109. # [01:49] <+eliezerb> s/an/a
  110. # [01:58] <AmeliaBR> Okay, here is one thing I have tried that DIDN'T work: use a count #ask query in the template that defines the sub-object to see how many instances of this property have previously been defined. All instances are given the final count value.
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  112. # [01:59] <+eliezerb> AmeliaBR: We can sorte the query by the index order
  113. # [01:59] <+eliezerb> sort*
  114. # [02:00] <AmeliaBR> If we *define* an index order for everything. Still trying to do it automatically by the order in which the parameters are arranged in the form.
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  124. # [02:47] <AmeliaBR> Anyone else still here? eliezerb renoirb shepazu ?
  125. # [02:47] <@renoirb> Hi AmeliaBR
  126. # [02:47] <@renoirb> yup
  127. # [02:47] <@renoirb> about to go take a walk. I'm in Vancouver for the week.
  128. # [02:47] <@shepazu> hi, AmeliaBR
  129. # [02:48] <AmeliaBR> OK: Tried (on test wiki) to add in a form field to specify the order of parameters, and sort them by it on the syntax print-out
  130. # [02:49] <AmeliaBR> Works alright once you manually go through and add index values to each page, but until you do that, the syntax will print out without any parameters at all.
  131. # [02:49] <@shepazu> that seems workable
  132. # [02:50] <@shepazu> we'll just have to do the pages by hand
  133. # [02:50] <AmeliaBR> If anything, I'd rather have no parameters showing up than them showing up in the wrong order.
  134. # [02:51] <AmeliaBR> This is what it looks like once sorted (edit to see form structure): http://docs.webplatform.org/test/canvas/methods/arcTo
  135. # [02:52] <AmeliaBR> Compare with a version where the order hasn't been specified: http://docs.webplatform.org/test/canvas/methods/bezierCurveTo
  136. # [02:52] <AmeliaBR> (The parameter count won't be there, that was just a temporary version of the template)
  137. # [02:55] <AmeliaBR> renoirb: I suspect I'll run into admin privileges issues if I try to make this live on the real site. How easy is it to bump me up to admin? Or I can give you or shepazu a list of the test wiki pages I modified and you can copy the content over.
  138. # [02:56] <@shepazu> AmeliaBR, it's easy to make you an admin
  139. # [02:56] <AmeliaBR> shepazu: easier than doing the work yourself, you mean!
  140. # [02:57] <@shepazu> :D
  141. # [02:57] <@renoirb> i'm going off.
  142. # [02:57] <@shepazu> I'm happy either way
  143. # [02:57] <@shepazu> later, renoirb
  144. # [02:57] <@renoirb> i'll make you admin AmeliaBR, no problem
  145. # [02:57] <@shepazu> renoirb, I'll take care of it
  146. # [02:57] <@renoirb> ok
  147. # [02:58] <AmeliaBR> Thanks shepazu. Let me know when I'm good to go. Go enjoy Vancouver springtime renoirb!
  148. # [02:59] <@shepazu> AmeliaBR, done!
  149. # [03:00] <AmeliaBR> Great. I'll get on that, then send a note to the email list letting people know that the incorrect info is fixed and that they should start editing pages to add in index values.
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  151. # [03:01] <AmeliaBR> (Or more realistically, it can be added to our checklist for the massive review of page readiness state...)
  152. # [03:01] <@shepazu> yup, good timing
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  160. # [03:21] <AmeliaBR> shepazu (or anyone): how about this for a default syntax print-out if order or arguments hasn't been specified? http://docs.webplatform.org/test/canvas/methods/bezierCurveTo
  161. # [03:22] <@shepazu> AmeliaBR, yes, great idea
  162. # [03:23] <AmeliaBR> Ok. I think I'm done fussing then. Time to make it live.
  163. # [03:23] <@shepazu> sweet
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  166. # [03:26] <+eliezerb> AmeliaBR: You can use a class
  167. # [03:26] <+eliezerb> AmeliaBR: To make you JavaScript looks like JavaScript
  168. # [03:27] <AmeliaBR> ??
  169. # [03:27] <AmeliaBR> do you mean like syntax highlighting?
  170. # [03:27] <+eliezerb> Yes!
  171. # [03:28] <@shepazu> or you can surround it with a <syntaxHighlight> tag
  172. # [03:30] <+eliezerb> AmeliaBR: you can follow shepazu tip or just add <pre class="language-javascript">
  173. # [03:31] <AmeliaBR> Ok, back to test wiki to see what happens...
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  176. # [03:35] <AmeliaBR> not seeing a difference with <pre> alone, looks like you also need <code>
  177. # [03:36] <AmeliaBR> much better, now just have to get rid of an extra blank line and should be good to go. Thanks eliezerb
  178. # [03:40] <@shepazu> looks excellent
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  192. # [04:27] <ptressel> renoirb, Did you get my pubkey?
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  195. # [04:31] <RJ45> can anyone here please help me get SSL working with Apache2?
  196. # [04:31] <RJ45> I'm only asking here 'cos I have literally triad everything I can! x_x
  197. # [04:31] <RJ45> tried*
  198. # [04:32] <ptressel> I've got some example config files, but don't know if the setup changed in the latest version.
  199. # [04:32] <RJ45> Firefox says this: (Error code: ssl_error_rx_record_too_long)
  200. # [04:32] <RJ45> and Apache errorlog say: [Thu May 08 03:26:47 2014] [error] [client 192.168.0.3] Invalid method in request \x16\x03\x01
  201. # [04:33] <RJ45> 443 port is open in every way possible
  202. # [04:33] <ptressel> You have it working with port 80?
  203. # [04:33] <RJ45> yes
  204. # [04:33] <RJ45> regular http works fine
  205. # [04:34] <RJ45> just not https
  206. # [04:34] <RJ45> got my self-signed certs set-up
  207. # [04:34] <RJ45> have ports.conf set-up
  208. # [04:35] <RJ45> and have 'default-ssl' file set-up with all the relevant locations of the certs
  209. # [04:35] <RJ45> no joy :(
  210. # [04:35] <ptressel> Would it be ok to paste your Apache site config at (say) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/ ?
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  212. # [04:36] <RJ45> ptressel: I'll just paste it the my webserver itseflf :D , BRB
  213. # [04:38] <RJ45> here: http://94.173.177.100/publ/apache2.conf
  214. # [04:40] <RJ45> ptressel: ?
  215. # [04:41] <ptressel> I'm looking for examples on another server...the port 443 files seem to have been deleted. May have been done in reaction to heartbleed...
  216. # [04:42] <RJ45> :/
  217. # [04:42] <ptressel> Let me see if I have local copies.
  218. # [04:43] <RJ45> ~ $ apache2 -V
  219. # [04:43] <RJ45> Server version: Apache/2.2.22 (Debian)
  220. # [04:43] <ptressel> It's not the main conf file we need to look at but rather the site file.
  221. # [04:44] <RJ45> I'm using Debian BTW, I heard Apache's quite different on Windows
  222. # [04:44] <RJ45> okay hold on..
  223. # [04:46] <RJ45> ptressel: all here: http://94.173.177.100/publ/
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  225. # [04:51] <ptressel> Ok, thanks! I'm being time-shared with another conversation, so there may be pauses...
  226. # [04:51] <RJ45> lol, NP, I got all night :)
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  229. # [05:01] <ptressel> RJ45, I'm still here...telling someone about OpenStreetMap and online disaster response...
  230. # [05:02] <RJ45> ptressel: you are a good person :)
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  242. # [05:43] <ptressel> RJ45 It looks like you're using just about the default config file that came with Apache?
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  244. # [05:44] <RJ45> yes
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  246. # [05:44] <ptressel> Are you going to be online for a while? I'm at a meeting and we're just breaking up, so I have to leave...will take me about an hour to get back online.
  247. # [05:44] <RJ45> sure, I'm online for many many hours, my computer is my life (^_^)
  248. # [05:45] <ptressel> :D
  249. # [05:45] <RJ45> :)
  250. # [05:45] <ptressel> Ok, I'll be back later!
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  252. # [05:45] <RJ45> cool :D
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  286. # [07:42] <ptressel> Hi, RJ45! I was looking on the wrong server for examples... These are the lines from our ports.conf and our site file that relate to ssl: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7414271/
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  288. # [07:44] <ptressel> One thing I noticed was that for SSLCertificateChainFile we have an actual .pem file -- yours has the .crt again.
  289. # [07:45] <RJ45> okay, I'll go change a buncha stuff and I'll let you know how it works-out..
  290. # [07:45] <ptressel> The comments say that's ok when "the CA certificates are directly appended to the server certificate for convinience"
  291. # [07:45] <ptressel> So if your .crt is like that, it's fine.
  292. # [07:45] <ptressel> Oh, wait...
  293. # [07:46] <ptressel> You have *:443
  294. # [07:46] <ptressel> Try putting in the actual IP address.
  295. # [07:46] <ptressel> And add a ServerName line.
  296. # [07:50] <ptressel> Hmmm...I see that the person who dealt with upgrading OpenSSL on that server did not revoke and reissue the cert. *Sigh*
  297. # [07:53] <ptressel> Meh. I forgot to copy out the error messages you got.
  298. # [07:53] <ptressel> I see "wp-logger" -- presume that's logging the channel...
  299. # [07:53] <ptressel> Does anyone know if the IRC logs are posted online anywhere?
  300. # [07:56] <RJ45> so I did this: http://94.173.177.100/publ/default-ssl
  301. # [07:57] <RJ45> still borked :/
  302. # [07:57] <ptressel> Try the fully-qualified domain name?
  303. # [07:57] <RJ45> which would be 94.173.177.100 ?
  304. # [07:58] <ptressel> No, the DNS name, like blah.blah.org
  305. # [07:58] <ptressel> That's for the ServerName line
  306. # [07:58] <RJ45> I don't think that'd make any difference, as I've tried accessing it on 192.168.0.2 (it's LAN IP)
  307. # [07:58] <RJ45> I have no DNS :P
  308. # [07:58] <ptressel> Also, do you have both /home/pi and /home/pit ?
  309. # [07:58] <ptressel> Ok
  310. # [07:58] <RJ45> do I?, hold on, lol
  311. # [07:59] <ptressel> Or is that just a typo?
  312. # [07:59] <RJ45> corrected, still not working :/
  313. # [08:00] <RJ45> whenever I restart Apache I get this:
  314. # [08:00] <RJ45> ~ $ sudo service apache2 restart[....] Restarting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
  315. # [08:00] <RJ45> [Thu May 08 06:59:18 2014] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:443 has no VirtualHosts
  316. # [08:00] <RJ45> ... waiting apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
  317. # [08:00] <RJ45> [Thu May 08 06:59:20 2014] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:443 has no VirtualHosts
  318. # [08:00] <RJ45> . ok
  319. # [08:00] <RJ45>
  320. # [08:00] <RJ45> ..is that any help?
  321. # [08:00] <ptressel> We don't have our VirtualHost block inside a conditional
  322. # [08:01] <RJ45> so I do..
  323. # [08:01] <RJ45> what?
  324. # [08:01] <ptressel> Take off the IfModule
  325. # [08:02] <ptressel> That was only around the Listen 443 in ports.conf
  326. # [08:03] <ptressel> Ah, I've gotten the "could not reliably determine" thing. That's not a real error.
  327. # [08:03] <ptressel> But I do have a fix for it...lemme look...
  328. # [08:03] <RJ45> I should take off the if modules in ports.conf , default-ssl , or both?
  329. # [08:04] <ptressel> default-ssl has one right at the top
  330. # [08:04] <ptressel> Take that one off
  331. # [08:04] <RJ45> done, still fail.
  332. # [08:04] <RJ45> :
  333. # [08:04] <RJ45> :/
  334. # [08:04] <RJ45> sae error
  335. # [08:04] <RJ45> same*
  336. # [08:04] <ptressel> I didn't copy out the error, can you repeat it?
  337. # [08:05] <RJ45> ~ $ sudo service apache2 restart[....] Restarting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
  338. # [08:05] <RJ45> [Thu May 08 07:02:17 2014] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:443 has no VirtualHosts
  339. # [08:05] <RJ45> ... waiting apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
  340. # [08:05] <RJ45> [Thu May 08 07:02:18 2014] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:443 has no VirtualHosts
  341. # [08:05] <RJ45> . ok
  342. # [08:05] <ptressel> It may not be picking up the new site file.
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  345. # [08:05] <ptressel> Hmm, why does it say "apache2apache2"?
  346. # [08:06] <RJ45> I think that's just IRC not pasting new lines right :P
  347. # [08:06] <ptressel> And where is it finding NameVirtualHost *:443 ?
  348. # [08:06] <ptressel> Ok
  349. # [08:06] <RJ45> IDK
  350. # [08:07] <ptressel> Do you have /etc/apache2/ports.conf and / or /etc/apache2/httpd.conf ?
  351. # [08:07] <ptressel> It could be in one of those.
  352. # [08:07] <@renoirb> ptressel, have a look at http://
  353. # [08:08] <RJ45> I have ports.conf , no httpd.conf
  354. # [08:08] <@renoirb> ptressel, have a look at http://www.webplatform.org/talk/chatlogs/#home
  355. # [08:08] <ptressel> See if it has NameVirtualHost *:443
  356. # [08:08] <ptressel> Aha, thanks renoirb !
  357. # [08:09] <@renoirb> I just arrived, currently fixing the database because 30 000 jobs and it will exponentially grow if i dont rebuild the db
  358. # [08:09] <@renoirb> http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics
  359. # [08:09] <RJ45> all my confs are here: http://94.173.177.100/publ/
  360. # [08:09] <ptressel> Eeek.
  361. # [08:09] <RJ45> (I updated the ones you've already seen)
  362. # [08:09] <ptressel> RJ45, try this:
  363. # [08:09] <ptressel> cd /etc/apache2
  364. # [08:09] <@renoirb> RJ45 the .pem files are basically concatenation of a few certificates. One on top of each other in that order: your cert, CA, root .... to highest root at the bottom.
  365. # [08:09] <ptressel> find . -exec fgrep NameVirtualHost {} \; -ls
  366. # [08:10] <@renoirb> Generally you have another private key that has to be separate
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  368. # [08:10] <ptressel> I don't think that's the issue...there's a spurious *:443 in there
  369. # [08:10] <ptressel> ...where there should be an nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn:443
  370. # [08:10] <@renoirb> RJ45 what do you get if you ls /etc/apache2/mods-enabled ... maybe ssl isn't there.
  371. # [08:11] <@renoirb> no, the <VirtualHost *:443> doesnt need to have ip address.
  372. # [08:11] <@renoirb> as much as it has a virtualhost and a listen clause
  373. # [08:11] <ptressel> renoirb, it's saying NameVirtualHost *:443 has no VirtualHosts
  374. # [08:11] <RJ45> $ ls mods-enabled/
  375. # [08:11] <RJ45> alias.conf autoindex.conf geoip.conf reqtimeout.conf
  376. # [08:11] <RJ45> alias.load autoindex.load geoip.load reqtimeout.load
  377. # [08:11] <RJ45> auth_basic.load cgi.load mime.conf rewrite.load
  378. # [08:11] <RJ45> authn_file.load deflate.conf mime.load setenvif.conf
  379. # [08:11] <RJ45> authz_default.load deflate.load negotiation.conf setenvif.load
  380. # [08:12] <@renoirb> no ssl
  381. # [08:12] <ptressel> What's in mods-available ?
  382. # [08:12] <@renoirb> a2enmod
  383. # [08:12] <@renoirb> you should see ssl among the list
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  385. # [08:17] <ptressel> I haven't found my notes about why we had to use the actual IP address...
  386. # [08:24] <ptressel> Hmm...did we have two IP addresses on that machine once upon a time?
  387. # [08:25] <ptressel> In any case, if there is a NameVirtualHost for port 443, it has to match the corresponding VirtualHost, so should be either * in both places or IP address in both.
  388. # [08:28] <@renoirb> Hey ptressel, i didn't create the VM yet. I got stuck with maintenance and a write-up.
  389. # [08:28] <ptressel> ;-)
  390. # [08:28] <ptressel> Hmm...what should RJ45 put in for ServerName if he has no DNS name...
  391. # [08:28] <ptressel> IP address?
  392. # [08:28] <@renoirb> Its 23:30 here in Vancouver but it feels like 01:00. I could talk more about it, but i'd rather talk aobut that crawling thing later rather than now.
  393. # [08:29] <ptressel> Ok.
  394. # [08:29] <@renoirb> ServerName, but I get that complaint too, doesnt create problems, it just says that it actually uses by default the ip address anyway
  395. # [08:29] <ptressel> Right, those messages were all warnings.
  396. # [08:29] <@renoirb> i think its mostly because of the mod ssl that isnt' enabled on his server
  397. # [08:30] <@renoirb> (regardless of hardware, its Debian right)
  398. # [08:30] <ptressel> And this one doesn't hurt anything: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName
  399. # [08:31] <ptressel> Sounds like that's definitely a big Missing Piece ! Good catch!
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  401. # [08:39] <@renoirb> gotta sleep now
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  403. # [08:41] <@Garbee> ptressel: They should stop trolling is what they should do.
  404. # [08:41] <@Garbee> That will be a better use of their time.
  405. # [08:42] <@Garbee> (RJ45 trolled #web like two days ago on stupid stuff.)
  406. # [08:57] <ptressel> Ah...
  407. # [08:58] <ptressel> Hmm, is renoirb in Vancouver *BC*?
  408. # [08:58] <ptressel> If so, we're in the same timezone.
  409. # [08:59] <ptressel> And only about 4 hours drive away.
  410. # [08:59] <ptressel> :D
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  423. # [09:16] <RJ45> ptressel: soo sorry I went offline so abruptly!, apparently my ISP has a fault in my area! x_x
  424. # [09:17] <RJ45> I am currently connecting via Mobile Broadband Dongle
  425. # [09:17] <ptressel> Try:
  426. # [09:17] <ptressel> sudo a2enmod ssl
  427. # [09:17] <RJ45> ..also as you may have guessed my server is also offline now
  428. # [09:17] <RJ45> what with the ISP outage..
  429. # [09:17] <ptressel> Whoops
  430. # [09:17] <RJ45> customer service says it wont be fixed 'till 11:05 ¬_¬
  431. # [09:18] <ptressel> Ok, try it later when it's back up
  432. # [09:18] <RJ45> ass-hats :/
  433. # [09:18] <RJ45> ptressel: I can still connect via LAN :D
  434. # [09:18] <RJ45> 192.168.0.2
  435. # [09:18] <RJ45> just gonna have-to finish this LAN style ;)
  436. # [09:18] <RJ45> I'll go try that command :)
  437. # [09:19] <ptressel> Also, Renoir says you can put the *:443 back -- don't need the IP address
  438. # [09:20] <ptressel> You'll need to do that if you have NameVirtualHost *:443 in some file -- that has to match your VirtualHost line
  439. # [09:21] <RJ45> okay, done all that, module loaded, apache restarted ..still same problem :/
  440. # [09:21] <RJ45> no https
  441. # [09:22] <ptressel> Do you see any ssl entries in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled ?
  442. # [09:23] <RJ45> ssl.conf , ssl.load
  443. # [09:23] <ptressel> Ok, so the a2enmod worked...
  444. # [09:23] <RJ45> apparently so
  445. # [09:23] <ptressel> It may be time to post in the Apache httpd forums...
  446. # [09:24] <RJ45> aw heeell no
  447. # [09:24] <RJ45> >.<
  448. # [09:24] <ptressel> They'll probably have the answer right off.
  449. # [09:25] <RJ45> well thanks for all your help sir, at-least we havn't taken any steps backwards eh? :)
  450. # [09:25] <ptressel> Hope not!
  451. # [09:25] <RJ45> lulz
  452. # [09:25] <ptressel> At least you've got the ssl module enabled...
  453. # [09:25] <ptressel> (I'm a "mam" not a "sir" but hey....)
  454. # [09:25] <ptressel> ( :D )
  455. # [09:25] <RJ45> seriously though, you've been above and beyond helpful, I hope I can someday return the favour :D
  456. # [09:26] <RJ45> mam eh?
  457. # [09:26] <RJ45> well arn't you a fine lady :)
  458. # [09:27] <RJ45> ptressel: if I ever end-up getting this thing to work, I'll try to let you know
  459. # [09:28] <ptressel> Ok! Let us know what the problem turns out to be!
  460. # [09:28] <ptressel> That way we'll know for next time. ;-)
  461. # [09:28] <RJ45> sounds like fun (so not fun), great challenge (I hate challenges)
  462. # [09:29] <RJ45> :P
  463. # [09:29] <ptressel> :D
  464. # [09:29] <RJ45> chow for now (^_^)
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  487. # [12:44] <pconcepcion> morning
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  543. # [18:03] <@renoirb> hi pconcepcion !
  544. # [18:07] <pconcepcion> hi renoirb
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