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  209. # [18:41] <AmeliaBR> FYI to all: I've finally had a chance to test out the last round of suggested changes for the readiness marker template.
  210. # [18:41] <AmeliaBR> This is what it looks like as a form: http://docs.webplatform.org/t/index.php?title=javascript/DataView&action=formedit
  211. # [18:42] <AmeliaBR> This is the current appearance of the page (but their are CSS classes to support Jen's graphical version): http://docs.webplatform.org/test/javascript/DataView
  212. # [18:42] <AmeliaBR> their <-> there
  213. # [18:43] <AmeliaBR> renoirb: I'll be waiting on you to let me know a good time to roll out to the main site.
  214. # [18:45] <@renoirb> Hi AmeliaBR, today can be a good time
  215. # [18:46] <AmeliaBR> ok -- maybe after the telcon?
  216. # [18:46] <@renoirb> yes
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  223. # [19:08] <@renoirb> scribenick: renoirb
  224. # [19:08] <@renoirb> meeting in a few minutes
  225. # [19:14] <@renoirb> Starting meeting
  226. # [19:14] <@renoirb> chair: shepazu
  227. # [19:14] <@renoirb> Topic: DocSprint during BeyondTellerand
  228. # [19:14] <@renoirb> ... it happened last weekend
  229. # [19:18] <@renoirb> ... there were some noise on IRC and Twitter https://twitter.com/search?q=WPDS
  230. # [19:18] <@renoirb> ... https://twitter.com/rodneyrehm/status/467939708040134657/photo/1
  231. # [19:18] <@renoirb> ... https://twitter.com/hdragomir/status/468049195505819648/photo/1
  232. # [19:19] <@renoirb> ... https://twitter.com/franciov/status/467999704668983297/photo/1
  233. # [19:22] <@renoirb> Julee: we should make sure we have community management back
  234. # [19:22] <@renoirb> ... to bring folks back to contributing, and it would clarify
  235. # [19:22] <@renoirb> ... what can be done and cannot be done in events
  236. # [19:22] <@renoirb> shepazu (agrees)
  237. # [19:23] <@renoirb> ... maybe make a spot on the front page to make aware of events
  238. # [19:23] <@renoirb> ... we do have a page about upcoming/past events
  239. # [19:23] <@renoirb> jensimmons agrees
  240. # [19:24] <@renoirb> julee: maybe just have a page exposed showing
  241. # [19:26] <@renoirb> all agreeing on:
  242. # [19:26] <@renoirb> - Creating a form/system to add an event
  243. # [19:26] <@renoirb> - Way to fetch list of upcoming events
  244. # [19:26] <@renoirb> - Way to display on the front page
  245. # [19:26] <@renoirb> - Way to send notification on the mailing list
  246. # [19:26] <@renoirb> shepazu: Let's not speculate on how to do but agree on what we want
  247. # [19:27] * @renoirb julee, jensimons, shepazu does my note makes sense ^
  248. # [19:28] <@renoirb> Topic: INfrastructure update
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  251. # [19:28] <@renoirb> shepazu: Julee and I spent some time with renoirb two weeks ago
  252. # [19:28] <@renoirb> ... we "kicked the tires" and it seemed to work
  253. # [19:29] <@renoirb> ... renoirb decided to hold off until other tasks
  254. # [19:30] <@renoirb> renoirb: explaiining why not making it forward
  255. # [19:30] <@renoirb> ... because: my current focus is about single sign on
  256. # [19:30] <@renoirb> ... and I cannot work on more than one issue
  257. # [19:31] <@renoirb> ... full time, so until it others priorities are finished
  258. # [19:31] <@renoirb> ... unless it breaks and cannot be fixed
  259. # [19:31] <@renoirb> ... we have a known issue, and how to live with it.
  260. # [19:32] <@renoirb> ... to keep priority on sso, unless it blocks progress
  261. # [19:32] <@renoirb> jensimons, shepazu: lets ask eliezerb if it blocks
  262. # [19:32] <@renoirb> renoirb agrees
  263. # [19:32] <@renoirb> concensus
  264. # [19:33] <@renoirb> Topic: Annotation update topic
  265. # [19:33] <@renoirb> shepazu: giving context about we want to have annotation and that it will be shown during next AC meeting in june
  266. # [19:34] <@renoirb> ... so we can demo it there
  267. # [19:37] <@renoirb> Topic: Monthly podcast?
  268. # [19:37] <@renoirb> shepazu: we’d like to have a podcast/news about "what’s new on the Web Platform"
  269. # [19:37] <@renoirb> ... not a competition on existing, but aggregating
  270. # [19:38] <@renoirb> ... about web standards in general
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  274. # [19:40] <AmeliaBR> The W3C Blog kind of covers latest news in web standards: http://www.w3.org/blog/
  275. # [19:41] <@renoirb> ... we want to talk about the web standards stuff as a point of view of somebody already knows at least some of the backgrounds
  276. # [19:41] <@renoirb> ... length should not be more than 40 minutes
  277. # [19:41] <@renoirb> ... there could be interviews too
  278. # [19:42] <@Garbee> 40 minutes max? Seems a bit tight.
  279. # [19:42] <@renoirb> ... a person, about [a spec] that they’re doing
  280. # [19:42] <@renoirb> ... why should [the listener] care about it
  281. # [19:42] <@renoirb> ... but not competition
  282. # [19:43] <@renoirb> ... a little bit "insider" but not going in back story (maybe pointing to them if listener need)
  283. # [19:43] <@renoirb> ... audience is people who has at least some basic on the standards
  284. # [19:45] <@renoirb> jensimmons, can you help me capture what you were saying ^
  285. # [19:45] <+jensimmons> shepazu: look at https://simplecast.fm
  286. # [19:46] <+jensimmons> shepazu: and listen to Shop Talk show — their hot drama section
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  288. # [19:47] <eliot> I just have reservations about Doug's time being spent on this cool and fun project when boring things like content and infrastructure need his attention. Not worried about Bruce or David, and the project sounds cool.
  289. # [19:50] <@renoirb> shepazu:... this project is not about to start before we are done with other priorities
  290. # [19:50] <@renoirb> ... such as: CompaTables, SSO, Flags
  291. # [19:51] <@renoirb> jensimmons: there are many infrastructure concerns that aren’t trival
  292. # [19:54] <eliot> yep
  293. # [19:55] <@renoirb> Topic: Readiness Markers (^ called Flag)
  294. # [19:55] <@renoirb> AmeliaBR: I'm ready to do, and renoirb said that he can thandle it
  295. # [19:55] <@renoirb> ... hopefully we will have it done and setup by tonight
  296. # [19:56] * @shepazu likes "Jen's Magical Prettiness"
  297. # [19:56] * @renoirb notes the "Jenn’s Magical Prettyness" —Amelia
  298. # [19:56] <AmeliaBR> http://docs.webplatform.org/t/index.php?title=javascript/DataView&action=formedit
  299. # [19:57] <@renoirb> ... we should be able to roll it out, will be a simple box that says the status. Nothing will show up if nothing is set and later CSS will change that later like discussed last week
  300. # [19:59] <@renoirb> AmeliaBR ^
  301. # [19:59] <@renoirb> shepazu: We didn’t got news from Pat Tressel about it, I'm going to get news from both him and frozenice
  302. # [20:00] <@renoirb> ... about CompaTables
  303. # [20:00] <@renoirb> AmeliaBR, did I summarized correctly your point?
  304. # [20:00] <@renoirb> [adjourned]
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  306. # [20:04] <AmeliaBR> renoirb: for the 11:57 note "we should be able to roll it out today. Currently, status will show up in a simple note box, CSS can be added later to change it to the designs we discussed last week. (in response to question from shepazu:) Nothing currently shows up if a state isn't set, but the templates could be changed later to add a default state of "Coming Later".
  307. # [20:06] <AmeliaBR> PS to renoirb: would you like to get in the habit of having me jump in and scribe when you're talking (and vice versa if I'm scribing)? It's always difficult to talk and write at the same time...
  308. # [20:08] <AmeliaBR> * I am going to grab lunch, when I get back I'll be messing with templates on the main wiki. I'll check in with you before I save anything
  309. # [20:24] <+jensimmons> http://5by5.tv/webahead/4
  310. # [20:28] <@renoirb> jensimmons, look at Robin's post http://berjon.com/blog/2014/01/yummy-drm.html
  311. # [20:28] <@renoirb> thx AmeliaBR
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  322. # [21:14] <AmeliaBR> You there renoirb?
  323. # [21:14] <@renoirb> yes
  324. # [21:14] <@renoirb> you can do it on the live site, i'm there to catchup problems.
  325. # [21:14] <@renoirb> :)
  326. # [21:15] <AmeliaBR> OK saving now!
  327. # [21:15] <@renoirb> All i need is to know, so I can look at it. Because if I dont notice it I cannot fix it
  328. # [21:18] <@renoirb> So far 2 jobs
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  335. # [21:56] <@renoirb> AmeliaBR, now the jobs are kicking in!!
  336. # [21:56] <@renoirb> AmeliaBR, look http://docs.webplatform.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics&format=json
  337. # [21:56] <@renoirb> In one minute it went from 600 to 4000
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  340. # [21:56] <AmeliaBR> Woah boy. But you can handle it?
  341. # [21:57] <@renoirb> yes, i need to kill the job, and run a maintenance script
  342. # [21:57] <@renoirb> Before I knew this issue, the job runner would never stop, then the next hour another would start
  343. # [21:57] <@renoirb> so after 7 hours, all app servers would be running and taking all database connections, killing the site
  344. # [21:57] <@renoirb> That's why I want to know :)
  345. # [21:58] <@renoirb> Before I would know it by my monitors saying the site is down. But now i make sure that only one server starts the job runner, and can only have one at a time.
  346. # [21:58] <@renoirb> ... So a weekend could pass without problems.
  347. # [21:59] <@renoirb> That's what I was talking about that we hope the update wont have problems with
  348. # [21:59] <@renoirb> can you do the same manipulation on the /upgrade/ namespace?
  349. # [22:00] <@renoirb> lets try if the upgrade will help :) AmeliaBR ^
  350. # [22:00] <AmeliaBR> sure. Let me see if I can log in there...
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  353. # [22:04] <AmeliaBR> renoirb: it's not recognizing me as an admin, so I can't change the templates
  354. # [22:04] <@renoirb> oh, waitç
  355. # [22:04] <@renoirb> wait, sorry
  356. # [22:06] <@renoirb> right, mediawiki makes a distinction between ameliabr and AmeliaBR
  357. # [22:06] <@renoirb> go ahead now AmeliaBR
  358. # [22:06] <AmeliaBR> ok.
  359. # [22:10] <AmeliaBR> Done. Now,you just have to wait for the next hourly update to see if it goes crazy too!
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  362. # [22:24] <@renoirb> lets see now
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  365. # [22:30] <@renoirb> AmeliaBR, running them in /upgrade/ now < http://docs.webplatform.org/u/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics&format=json
  366. # [22:30] <@renoirb> lets see
  367. # [22:31] <@renoirb> Since its a pattern that is used at many places, i'd expect a lot of jobs, but hopefully it wont explode to thouhsands
  368. # [22:31] <@renoirb> .. milions
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  370. # [22:34] <AmeliaBR> renoirb: I guess if it ends up just as bad as the current site, then you've at least got back up for your argument that the upgrade isn't a priority and can wait until other things are ready!
  371. # [22:34] <@renoirb> sure! But an upgrade is always better. We are running Ubuntu 10.04 (that is end of life), MySQL 5.1 (that is end of life) ...
  372. # [22:34] <@renoirb> so :)
  373. # [22:36] <@renoirb> Whats nice so far with /upgrade/ is that it stays to the same level, it doesnt grow too much.
  374. # [22:36] <AmeliaBR> Of course. Eventually, everything on your to-do list needs to be done. But you have to decide which is more work: taking the time now to do the upgrade, or keeping an eye on the job queue anytime someone updates templates!
  375. # [22:43] <@renoirb> Yup. Rest assured that I want to contribute to content and/or MW infra stuff that you are doing, just that I have no time for it :/
  376. # [22:45] * renoirb changes topic to 'The community behind webplatform.org, if you have a technical issue, ping renoirb | Join us http://wpd.mx/WPD:Contributors_Guide'
  377. # [22:46] * renoirb changes topic to 'The community behind webplatform.org — if you have a technical issue, ping renoirb — Join us http://wpd.mx/WPD:Contributors_Guide'
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  397. # [23:22] <@renoirb> Upgrade will fix the problem!! /o/
  398. # [23:23] <@renoirb> shepazu, AmeliaBR, eliezerb !! < \o/
  399. # [23:23] <@renoirb> http://docs.webplatform.org/u/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics&format=json ^ is a proof of it
  400. # [23:23] <@renoirb> jobs: 0!!
  401. # [23:25] <AmeliaBR> Woohoo. So does that mean that the upgrade moves up your priority list?
  402. # [23:26] <@shepazu> /o\
  403. # [23:27] <@renoirb> no! (doh!)
  404. # [23:28] <@renoirb> I will move it up with the new sso with mediawiki
  405. # [23:28] <@renoirb> it'll be deployed together
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  407. # [23:28] <@renoirb> I'll have a local copy of MW that is running at same version as /upgrade/ and i'll create my extension there. But we'll have two birds, one stone
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  409. # [23:29] <AmeliaBR> Good argument. Do everything at once. Get SSO working on the upgraded MW and then roll everything out.
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