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  3. # [00:00] <@frozenice> I guess the crucial part is getting a good list of pages
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  5. # [00:03] <ptressel> The thing is...there is a "chicken and egg" issue. We don't know which pages have compat info until we fetch and parse the pages.
  6. # [00:03] <ptressel> So we can make lists up front all we want, but only fetching determines which pages we actually want.
  7. # [00:04] <@frozenice> the crawler could visit all pages and compile a list, I personally don't care if the importer visits these pages again, we just let it run for a while :)
  8. # [00:06] <ptressel> As I say, we could get lists, but we won't know which have compat tables.
  9. # [00:06] <@frozenice> the importer will figure that out
  10. # [00:06] <ptressel> There's a feedback loop for fetching, e.g. stop when we haven't gotten any new compat tables for N levels of crawl.
  11. # [00:07] <@frozenice> it does that now, too, as not every page in the feeds has a compat table
  12. # [00:07] <ptressel> I'm talking about finding the pages
  13. # [00:07] <@shepazu> ptressel, yeah, I don't think we need to have a crawler anymore
  14. # [00:07] <ptressel> Ok
  15. # [00:07] <@shepazu> because we don't actually know what pages we want, besides the usual suspects
  16. # [00:07] <ptressel> Uh
  17. # [00:08] <ptressel> That's exactly what we would want the crawler for.
  18. # [00:08] <@shepazu> that is, we can't automate that task
  19. # [00:08] <ptressel> Yes we can
  20. # [00:08] <@frozenice> :D
  21. # [00:08] <ptressel> [15:06] ptressel There's a feedback loop for fetching, e.g. stop when we haven't gotten any new compat tables for N levels of crawl.
  22. # [00:08] <@shepazu> I mean, we could crawl the whole site to see which pages have compat tables
  23. # [00:08] <@shepazu> obviously
  24. # [00:08] <ptressel> ^^^
  25. # [00:09] <@shepazu> but I don't think we need that data to complete phase 1 of our main task
  26. # [00:09] <@shepazu> ptressel, but if you're keen to help with something else, I'm sure we can find a task for you!
  27. # [00:10] <ptressel> Ok, so no crawler.
  28. # [00:10] <ptressel> I've promised to work on JOSM next.
  29. # [00:10] <ptressel> (Java OpenStreetMap editor)
  30. # [00:10] <@frozenice> ugh, Java :D
  31. # [00:11] <@shepazu> oh, cool!
  32. # [00:11] <ptressel> Fine language -- the only safe language in common use.
  33. # [00:11] <@shepazu> well, I mean, obviously, ugh, Java, but yay! OSM!
  34. # [00:11] <@frozenice> yeah, our CMS at work is in Java
  35. # [00:12] <@shepazu> ptressel, are you the person who I talked to about the various OS projects, in Seattle?
  36. # [00:12] <ptressel> Probably ;-)
  37. # [00:12] <@shepazu> FOSS, that is
  38. # [00:14] <@shepazu> something about emergency management, perhaps?
  39. # [00:14] <@shepazu> if so, I remember you now :)
  40. # [00:14] <@frozenice> ok then, I'll wait for the master list from shepazu and get some sleep and my job done in the meantime, glad we could clear up some confusion and I hope ptressel will stick around nonetheless :)
  41. # [00:15] <@shepazu> frozenice, I think I have v1 of the master list
  42. # [00:15] <@frozenice> but teh sleep :<
  43. # [00:15] <@shepazu> frozenice, yes, yes, teh sleeps!
  44. # [00:15] <@shepazu> this can wait until days to come
  45. # [00:15] <@shepazu> I was just letting you know
  46. # [00:16] <@frozenice> tomorrow it is, probably
  47. # [00:16] <@shepazu> what format should it be in? is a simple list okay?
  48. # [00:16] <@frozenice> yeah I think so
  49. # [00:16] <@shepazu> can it have comments?
  50. # [00:16] <@frozenice> it can
  51. # [00:16] <@frozenice> I'll just ignore the lines starting with '#' or whatever
  52. # [00:16] <@shepazu> ok
  53. # [00:17] <@frozenice> nn!
  54. # [00:17] <@shepazu> nn!
  55. # [00:17] <@shepazu> schlaf gut
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  57. # [00:18] <@shepazu> 1945 URLs :)
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  309. # [18:30] <@frozenice> shepazu: after removing dups, 1418 URLs remain :)
  310. # [18:31] <@shepazu> frozenice, you're a-maz-ing!
  311. # [18:32] <@frozenice> running now, could take a while
  312. # [18:32] <@shepazu> holy cow, I didn't expect you to do it yourself, thanks!
  313. # [18:33] <@shepazu> renoirb, frozenice is running the URLs with the importer script
  314. # [18:33] <@shepazu> frozenice, I assume you're running the latest version that renoirb did? will this also massage the output like he did?
  315. # [18:33] <@frozenice> yeah I pulled the newest version from the repo beforehand :)
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  317. # [18:34] <@shepazu> frozenice, and when you say dupes, do you mean dupes within the file I sent, or does that include dupes from data we collected before?
  318. # [18:34] <@frozenice> just duplicate URLs in your file
  319. # [18:35] <@shepazu> I should have done that, sorry
  320. # [18:35] <@shepazu> it was just my first pass
  321. # [18:35] <@frozenice> np, the script does not care :D
  322. # [18:36] <@frozenice> I'll push the new version with new cache and output when it's done running
  323. # [18:36] <@frozenice> hopefully there'll be no error and I need to run it again :)
  324. # [18:36] <@shepazu> hot dog!
  325. # [18:38] <@shepazu> frozenice, if you ever happen to be bored, I have a regex puzzle :)
  326. # [18:39] <@shepazu> not related to WPD
  327. # [18:39] <@frozenice> shoot
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  329. # [18:39] <@frozenice> regex is fun :)
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  331. # [18:39] <@shepazu> frozenice, I thought you'd say that
  332. # [18:40] <@shepazu> frozenice, I have a custom URL parameter syntax that I want to split into its constituent parts
  333. # [18:40] <@shepazu> I do it now with a hack
  334. # [18:40] <@shepazu> but it would be nice to have an elegant regex for the task
  335. # [18:41] <@shepazu> so, basically, a regex parser
  336. # [18:41] <@frozenice> need some sample input and output data!
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  338. # [18:42] <@shepazu> frozenice, yeah, let me upload what I have
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  340. # [18:48] <@shepazu> frozenice, and now, of course, it doesn't work on my server (as opposed to locally), so I have to debug
  341. # [18:48] <@frozenice> :)
  342. # [18:53] <@shepazu> frozenice, and now, mysteriously, it does work.
  343. # [18:53] <@shepazu> http://schepers.cc/svg/svgeodata/svgeodata.html
  344. # [18:53] <@shepazu> frozenice, please keep in mind that this is something I hacked together in 5 hours last night
  345. # [18:53] <@shepazu> so, it's really ugly
  346. # [18:54] <@frozenice> neat, what do you want to parse
  347. # [18:56] <@shepazu> #map?svg(target-id:map;)polyline(marker-end:url(%23svgeodata-arrow);){215,117,83,168,159,301,372,221,402,272,386,279}}&svg(target-id:house;){rect{x:10;y:15;width:42;height:23}}
  348. # [18:56] <@shepazu> and it should form an array that looks like this:
  349. # [18:56] <@shepazu> no, wait
  350. # [18:57] <@frozenice> explain yourself :D I'll grab a bite and read your confusion when I'm back
  351. # [18:57] <@shepazu> frozenice, yup
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  358. # [19:03] <@renoirb> We are having another instance of synchronicity
  359. # [19:04] <@renoirb> The fxa project lead (ckarlof) says I can use their current master for all projects
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  361. # [19:04] <@renoirb> that's perfect because my concern until now was from which commit/branch/tag to use.
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  364. # [19:14] <@shepazu> renoirb, I'm being dense, can you dumb that down for me?
  365. # [19:14] <@renoirb> I was coding on top of their living code shepazu
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  367. # [19:15] <@renoirb> But to deploy, I needed to know which version to use. It had confusion on which version of which to use because fixes were mixed with feature
  368. # [19:16] <@renoirb> So now, I'm taking a snapshot of their code that is in a comfortable state for us, their master is now in sync with the oauth branch.... which is what we need.
  369. # [19:17] <@shepazu> renoirb, ok, great, thanks for explaining
  370. # [19:17] <@shepazu> sorry I'm so dense sometimes
  371. # [19:17] <@renoirb> that's ok!
  372. # [19:17] <@shepazu> frozenice, http://schepers.cc/svg/svgeodata/svgeodata.html#regex
  373. # [19:18] <@shepazu> renoirb, when you want to take a break, you could look at my latest side project :P
  374. # [19:18] <@shepazu> I needed this for annotations
  375. # [19:18] <@renoirb> I cannot deploy a successful set of software without knowing which versions of the components we are installing. Otherwise things might break because componentA might expect something from componentB and it isn’t aware of it.
  376. # [19:18] <@shepazu> s/need/want/
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  378. # [19:18] <@renoirb> s/isn’t aware of/doesn’t have the code to support/
  379. # [19:19] <@shepazu> renoirb, makes sense
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  382. # [19:22] <@frozenice> re, let's see what shepazu put together there... :)
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  387. # [19:24] <@frozenice> many brackets
  388. # [19:27] <@shepazu> frozenice, so brackets, such array. wow!
  389. # [19:28] <@frozenice> very indentation
  390. # [19:28] <@shepazu> frozenice, it doesn't need to be a single regex that does that, that's just an idealized form
  391. # [19:29] <@shepazu> it can actually be broken up into each hierarchy level, really
  392. # [19:29] <@shepazu> so, start from the element level, I'd say
  393. # [19:29] <@frozenice> let's see!
  394. # [19:33] <@frozenice> shepazu: you are missing a { after svg(target-id:map;)
  395. # [19:33] <@shepazu> unpossible!
  396. # [19:35] <@frozenice> :)
  397. # [19:35] <@shepazu> frozenice, you obviously loaded the page wrong, reload
  398. # [19:35] <@frozenice> already did
  399. # [19:35] <@frozenice> hence the smiley
  400. # [19:36] <@shepazu> brb
  401. # [19:41] <@frozenice> ah, the importer is finished, out of those 1418 pages it found 698 pages with compat tables, that sounds... low
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  403. # [19:43] <@shepazu> frozenice, yeah… why would that be?
  404. # [19:44] <@frozenice> either they changed the id of the compat table sections for several pages or there are really none
  405. # [19:44] <@shepazu> frozenice, let's look at a sample of false negatives
  406. # [19:45] <@frozenice> the script checks for: section.id.toLowerCase() === 'browser_compatibility'
  407. # [19:45] <@shepazu> it would be so odd if their CMS weren't consistent about that
  408. # [19:46] <@frozenice> it wasn't back then :P that's why I had to take the extra step of finding out, what the actual id is (they varied in casing)
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  412. # [20:01] <@shepazu> frozenice, any way you can give me the list of false positives?
  413. # [20:01] <@frozenice> hmm
  414. # [20:01] <@shepazu> or are you looking at it?
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  416. # [20:02] <@shepazu> I mean, I guess it's the list of total URLs minus the list of successful imports
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  425. # [20:10] <@frozenice> shepazu: http://wpd.privatepaste.com/8f839cf125
  426. # [20:11] <@shepazu> frozenice, first one I tried has a compat table https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/HTMLBaseElement
  427. # [20:12] <@frozenice> well duh, I put both lists in, see the headlines :P
  428. # [20:12] <@shepazu> oh
  429. # [20:13] <@frozenice> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/IndexedDB is actually a redirect to IndexedDB_API
  430. # [20:13] <@frozenice> so I guess redirects are a problem
  431. # [20:14] <@shepazu> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/:fullscreen
  432. # [20:14] <@shepazu> has a compat table
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  434. # [20:14] <@frozenice> yeah, with id="Specification"
  435. # [20:15] <@shepazu> <h2 id="Specification" name="Specification">Browser compatibility</h2>
  436. # [20:15] <@shepazu> ffs
  437. # [20:15] <@shepazu> as opposed to <h2 id="Specifications">Specifications</h2>
  438. # [20:15] <@frozenice> aye
  439. # [20:15] <@shepazu> that's a bug :)
  440. # [20:16] <@shepazu> frozenice, should be easy to grab, though, right?
  441. # [20:16] <@frozenice> maybe we should also check innerText for "browser compatibility"
  442. # [20:16] <@frozenice> instead of just comparing the id of the h2
  443. # [20:16] <@frozenice> guess so, the redirects are another problem, though
  444. # [20:19] <@frozenice> ok, the check is now: section.id.toLowerCase() === 'browser_compatibility' || section.title.toLowerCase() === 'browser compatibility'
  445. # [20:19] <@frozenice> which is tested against data from https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/:fullscreen$json
  446. # [20:20] <@shepazu> frozenice, let's not worry about the redirects for now
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  448. # [20:22] <@frozenice> yeah those seem to be nasty, no indication of a redirect in https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/IndexedDB$json
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  450. # [20:24] <@frozenice> guess I'd need to HEAD the actual article url to find out if it's a redirect
  451. # [20:25] <@frozenice> well, let's run this again with the modified check.
  452. # [20:26] <@frozenice> that should give me time for the regex :)
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  455. # [20:27] <@frozenice> note: save the .js file before running
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  464. # [20:48] <@shepazu> lol
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  475. # [21:11] <@frozenice> shepazu: why did you put the lowest levels into an array? shouldn't ["svg"] just be "svg"?
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  477. # [21:12] <@shepazu> frozenice, sure
  478. # [21:12] <@shepazu> my bad
  479. # [21:12] <@frozenice> ok, try this :) http://jsfiddle.net/w4uEQ/
  480. # [21:13] <@frozenice> kinda strict matching (e.g. no whitespace)
  481. # [21:14] <@frozenice> haven't tried other examples
  482. # [21:14] <@frozenice> another sneaky page update by shepazu :)
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  485. # [21:17] <@shepazu> frozenice, sweet!
  486. # [21:18] <@frozenice> the code should even be readable
  487. # [21:18] <@shepazu> thanks!
  488. # [21:18] <@frozenice> no problemo
  489. # [21:19] <@frozenice> let me know if something doesn't work, did no QA :D
  490. # [21:19] <@shepazu> frozenice, will do
  491. # [21:20] <@shepazu> it's more code than I was expecting, I was really just looking for a regex
  492. # [21:20] <@frozenice> well, it's easier this way
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  494. # [21:21] <@shepazu> I think this would have done… .match(/([\w-]+)(\([^{]*\))?({[^}]*})/g);
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  496. # [21:22] <@frozenice> maybe I'll do a v2 :p
  497. # [21:22] <@frozenice> the importer is still running...
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  499. # [21:26] <@frozenice> I guess you would run into problems balancing the curly braces
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  505. # [21:42] <@frozenice> hehe, shepazu: the count of pages with compat tables went up to 700, an increase of two whole pages!!
  506. # [21:43] <@shepazu> ffs.
  507. # [21:43] <@frozenice> new stats: http://wpd.privatepaste.com/download/4afb98edec
  508. # [21:44] <@frozenice> :fullscreen and span made it :)
  509. # [21:46] <@frozenice> some links are dead, like https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/blend-mode
  510. # [21:47] <@frozenice> many, in fact
  511. # [21:47] <@shepazu> frozenice, can we collect a list of all the dead links?
  512. # [21:48] <@shepazu> frozenice, so far, I haven't found one of those pages that actually does have a compat table
  513. # [21:49] <@shepazu> frozenice, maybe they really don't have compat tables!
  514. # [21:49] <@frozenice> yeah
  515. # [21:49] <@shepazu> I'll walk through them tonight
  516. # [21:49] <@frozenice> ok
  517. # [21:49] <@frozenice> I have no list of 404 links
  518. # [21:50] <@frozenice> just tried some
  519. # [21:50] <@shepazu> frozenice, if there are dead links, then those are perhaps pages that WPD should focus on, since that means there isn't proper documentation for those topics
  520. # [21:50] <@shepazu> frozenice, yeah, I'll compile a list of 404s
  521. # [21:50] <@frozenice> how did those links into the master list?
  522. # [21:50] <@frozenice> +got
  523. # [21:51] <@shepazu> when I'm walking through them
  524. # [21:51] <@frozenice> *get
  525. # [21:51] <@shepazu> frozenice, there were in their index pages
  526. # [21:51] <@shepazu> they
  527. # [21:51] <@frozenice> ok
  528. # [21:51] <@shepazu> some of them were redlined
  529. # [21:53] <@shepazu> frozenice, where will you park the data?
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  534. # [21:54] <@frozenice> just pushed to https://github.com/webplatform/mdn-compat-importer
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  537. # [21:55] <@shepazu> frozenice, sweet, thanks
  538. # [21:55] <@shepazu> frozenice, interesting https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/ul does not have a compat table, but https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/li does
  539. # [21:56] <@frozenice> li is on the success list
  540. # [21:58] <@shepazu> frozenice, yeah, that's what I mean… some items that are very similar aren't consistent with compat info
  541. # [21:58] <@shepazu> … coverage
  542. # [21:58] <@frozenice> aye
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