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  117. # [19:01] <eliot> Anyone trying to get on to the weekly call? I'm failing with, "This pass code is not valid." :-(
  118. # [19:03] <AmeliaBR> About to try, will let you know
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  121. # [19:04] <@julee> +1
  122. # [19:04] <AmeliaBR> Same here.
  123. # [19:04] <eliot> I get the same thing on my office and on my cellphones.
  124. # [19:04] <+jensimmons> “This passcode is not valid”
  125. # [19:04] <+jensimmons> is that what you are talking about?
  126. # [19:04] <eliot> Yeah. I thought Zakim was my friend.
  127. # [19:05] <eliot> Et tu, Zakim?
  128. # [19:05] <AmeliaBR> Maybe there's a special code to start a call?
  129. # [19:05] <AmeliaBR> Checking: http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html
  130. # [19:06] <+jensimmons> so no one is in the conference call?
  131. # [19:06] <eliot> I think someone from tyhe W3C needs to reserve it. I thought Doug had this slot reserved, tho
  132. # [19:06] <eliot> Nobody on the phone, Jen.
  133. # [19:06] <+jensimmons> So do we cancel/postpone, or do we all jump on Skype or another laternative?
  134. # [19:07] <+jensimmons> *alternative
  135. # [19:07] <AmeliaBR> I can do skype. I can do chat here.
  136. # [19:07] <eliot> one sec
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  138. # [19:08] <@julee> renoirb might be able to send a request for a temporary code…
  139. # [19:08] <@renoirb> oh hi
  140. # [19:08] <eliot> I have aline
  141. # [19:09] <@renoirb> well, wait, let me see if it works
  142. # [19:09] <eliot> ok
  143. # [19:09] <@renoirb> it should work now
  144. # [19:09] <@renoirb> just started it
  145. # [19:10] <+jensimmons> what is “it”?
  146. # [19:10] <@julee> docs
  147. # [19:10] <AmeliaBR> I'm in! Thanks renoirb
  148. # [19:10] <@renoirb> The room is available at the moment
  149. # [19:10] <@renoirb> for one hour
  150. # [19:10] <vanessametonini> ok
  151. # [19:11] <AmeliaBR> The usual DOCS# code
  152. # [19:11] <@renoirb> jensimmons, eliot, julee, vanessametonini the room is available at the usual place on zakim@voip.w3.org #3627
  153. # [19:11] <vanessametonini> I am in
  154. # [19:11] <+jensimmons> great. i’m in too
  155. # [19:12] <AmeliaBR> Ok. Meeting starting!
  156. # [19:12] <AmeliaBR> eliot in the chair
  157. # [19:13] <AmeliaBR> Attending: jensimmons, AmeliaBR Vanessametonini, julee
  158. # [19:14] <eliot> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webplatform/2014Jun/0021.html
  159. # [19:14] <AmeliaBR> NEW TOPIC: Onboarding of new members
  160. # [19:14] <AmeliaBR> eliot: Julee's wrote up a nice outline of how to make sure new members are welcome and have the resources to keep going
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  162. # [19:15] <AmeliaBR> julee: the one thing I didn't do that might be worth doing is to keep a list of new people for following-up
  163. # [19:15] <AmeliaBR> AmeliaBR: it would only works if it is actually up-to-date and we follow up?
  164. # [19:15] <AmeliaBR> eliot: would the purpose be to follow up after 30/60 days?
  165. # [19:16] <AmeliaBR> julee: Just so we could keep track. We might postpone this until we have a proper community drive. Possibly in the early fall, when people are coming back from vacation.
  166. # [19:16] <AmeliaBR> Eliot: Should we follow up with a request for assigning people to different action items on the list?
  167. # [19:17] <AmeliaBR> Julee: I can follow up this email, if everyone's fine with it, with a suggestion that when we start the next community drive we set up a checklist to make sure we're doing this for each new member
  168. # [19:18] <AmeliaBR> AmeliaBR: Clear responsibilities are important so that something actually happens
  169. # [19:19] <AmeliaBR> vanessametonini: When I signed up, I wasn't really sure how to introduce myself or how to get involved; I did not want to bother people
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  172. # [19:20] <AmeliaBR> AmeliaBR: I'm not sure if we can change the automatic email sign-up email to encourage people to introduce themselves
  173. # [19:22] <eliot> renoirb: do we automaticaaly send mail to new members when they sign up? Who owns that coontent? We can change it, right?
  174. # [19:23] <AmeliaBR> venessametonini: it might not be a good idea to have a new introduction email from a new member every day, people don't want to spam the list if they don't know it's welcome
  175. # [19:23] <@renoirb> eliot, no we dont. We will have to build something.
  176. # [19:24] <AmeliaBR> AmeliaBR: current automatic welcome email is not very informative
  177. # [19:24] * @renoirb is working on a particular SSO feature that'll sign you in automatically if you already authenticated.
  178. # [19:24] <AmeliaBR> ACTION: julee: send out follow-up email
  179. # [19:24] <@renoirb> and for its development, i'm also working on command line API calls to do maintenance.
  180. # [19:24] <AmeliaBR> ACTION venessametonini: will reply to julee's email with her perspective
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  182. # [19:25] <vanessametonini> yep
  183. # [19:25] <AmeliaBR> NEW TOPIC: Following up on Issues and To-Do lists
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  185. # [19:25] <AmeliaBR> julee: When we originally set up bug genie, the idea was that we would regularly triage the bug reports and address them.
  186. # [19:26] <AmeliaBR> ...but with other projects going on, we're not really following-up
  187. # [19:26] <AmeliaBR> ...I think we need, maybe shepazu and renoirb, integrating checking the infrastructure bug reports as part of their other infrastructure work
  188. # [19:27] <AmeliaBR> ...and then the rest of us need to have a schedule of dealing with content bugs
  189. # [19:27] <AmeliaBR> eliot: and have regular bug-bashing sessions
  190. # [19:27] <AmeliaBR> julee: Yes. The bug reports break down into issues that require actual pull requests on the infrastructure code, versus content issues
  191. # [19:28] <AmeliaBR> ...and we need to separate triage groups to address them.
  192. # [19:28] <AmeliaBR> ...I think this hasn't worked before because the bug system hasn't been really integrated into any of our special projects.
  193. # [19:28] <AmeliaBR> ...we need regular meetings to address issues.
  194. # [19:28] <@renoirb> i will join
  195. # [19:29] <AmeliaBR> eliot: what kind of time do you think would be required?
  196. # [19:29] <AmeliaBR> julee: ongoing 1hr/week, but more at first
  197. # [19:30] <AmeliaBR> renoirb: I deal with the infrastructure bugs ongoing. But many of the bug reports deal with stability or speed, and so can't be addressed until we fix the more fundamental structural issues: SSO, updating mediawiki. Once those are addressed, most of the infrastructure bugs will be solved.
  198. # [19:31] <AmeliaBR> julee: but then there are the other types of bugs, relating to content or templates
  199. # [19:31] <@renoirb> http://docs.mroftalpbew.org/wiki
  200. # [19:31] <AmeliaBR> renoirb: once mediawiki is updated, there won't be as many problems with templates
  201. # [19:32] <AmeliaBR> julee: Of course. But even as the system is running, there will be regular reporting of bugs.
  202. # [19:32] <@renoirb> This http://docs.mroftalpbew.org/wiki is an upgraded version of media wiki, also using SSO.
  203. # [19:32] <AmeliaBR> ...we need a way to assign, on a regular basis, people's time to keeping track of what bugs have been reported and dealing with them
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  205. # [19:33] <AmeliaBR> ...we need to decide how much of people's time is going to be devoted to fixing bugs versus new projects
  206. # [19:34] <AmeliaBR> renoirb: As the full-time person, I talk daily with shepazu about priorities, but once you're in coding mode working on one thing it's hard to have to also switch to other things
  207. # [19:34] <AmeliaBR> ...I've got examples (link above) about new mediawiki, but it's not yet ready to go,
  208. # [19:35] <AmeliaBR> eliot: we recognize that's all high priority work. But separate from that, we've lost track of any bug-tracking system, so that we can identify new priorities as they come in.
  209. # [19:36] <AmeliaBR> julee: One thing, if renoirb expects that most of the bugs will be fixed with this new system, we would really need to put off the triage until after that is up, and then we could tell what issues would be fixed.
  210. # [19:37] <AmeliaBR> eliot: when is that going to be?
  211. # [19:37] <AmeliaBR> renoirb: some of it is already rolled out. The big part in a couple weeks.
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  213. # [19:38] <AmeliaBR> ...SSO being rolled out for mediawiki and annotations. At the same time, I'll update both systems.
  214. # [19:38] <AmeliaBR> julee: Maybe we can target the second week of July for the full issue triage, assuming renoirb's work goes as scheduled?
  215. # [19:39] <eliot> BTW, issues are tracked at http://project.webplatform.org/
  216. # [19:39] <AmeliaBR> eliot: But we (eliot, julee, anyone else) can get started reviewing the content bugs
  217. # [19:39] <AmeliaBR> julee: because none of renoirb's work will affect that?
  218. # [19:39] <AmeliaBR> renoirb: no, this is infrastructure
  219. # [19:40] <AmeliaBR> julee: Okay, so the plan would be to figure out priorities, start going through the list and fixing what can be fixed immediately, then review what's left
  220. # [19:40] <AmeliaBR> eliot: would this be a big chunk of time getting together?
  221. # [19:41] <AmeliaBR> julee: not for the first meeting, I think we need to strategize first
  222. # [19:41] <AmeliaBR> eliot: anyone else on the call able to help?
  223. # [19:41] <AmeliaBR> AmeliaBR: not for this month, maybe later
  224. # [19:41] <AmeliaBR> eliot: OK julee and I will set up an initial meeting and announce it on the list
  225. # [19:42] <AmeliaBR> julee: we also need volunteers for who is willing to have bugs assigned to them
  226. # [19:43] <AmeliaBR> jensimmons: Agreed. This is important. If bug system is not being kept up-to-date, issues addressed, then new users won't bother using it, and renoirb gets stuck as the only support option
  227. # [19:43] <AmeliaBR> ...there are also time estimates for fixing issues; we need to figure out which ones can be switched to shorter estimates
  228. # [19:44] <AmeliaBR> ...our bug system is great, easy to use, we need to convince was
  229. # [19:46] <AmeliaBR> NEW TOPIC: QA Review
  230. # [19:46] <AmeliaBR> AmeliaBR: I will start sending out lists of articles to volunteers as a link to a search page.
  231. # [19:47] <AmeliaBR> ...There are 10 volunteers and 4000 articles, so this will be rapid-fire
  232. # [19:47] <AmeliaBR> ...I will re-write the checklist to be very focused, IF this THEN assign that state
  233. # [19:48] <AmeliaBR> ...so that people can go through a lot of articles in a little time
  234. # [19:49] <AmeliaBR> eliot: Make sure the emails ask for confirmation, so that if people can't do it we can assign it to someone else
  235. # [19:49] <AmeliaBR> ...it's too bad we don't have a central location to all meet up and do this together.
  236. # [19:50] <AmeliaBR> ...like a DocSprint.
  237. # [19:50] <AmeliaBR> AmeliaBR: agreed. We can encourage people to keep IRC open and chat while they're working, but beer and pizza would help...
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  241. # [19:51] <AmeliaBR> (meeting adjourned)
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