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  1. # Session Start: Sun Apr 08 00:00:00 2007
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  14. # [02:47] <Dashiva> Oh wow
  15. # [02:48] <Dashiva> Email suggesting to replace <canvas>fallback</canvas> with <img src="fallback.gif">
  16. # [02:50] <Lachy> Dashiva: it's best to just ignore Andrew's emails. He rarely says anything sensible
  17. # [02:51] <Dashiva> ... Isee
  18. # [02:55] <ajnewbold> woo! utterly useless: http://newbold.name/gradient/?start=339966&end=CCFF99&height=300
  19. # [02:56] <ajnewbold> anyone know GD functions and want to help me turn that into something that makes an image?
  20. # [02:56] <ajnewbold> I'd ask in ##php but I'm banned, heh
  21. # [02:57] <Dashiva> That doesn't look very 300px to me
  22. # [02:57] <ajnewbold> hmm
  23. # [02:57] <ajnewbold> what browser?
  24. # [02:58] <Dashiva> IE and Opera
  25. # [02:58] <ajnewbold> hmm
  26. # [02:58] <ajnewbold> does it look higher or lower?
  27. # [02:58] <Dashiva> It's more like 3000px
  28. # [02:58] <ajnewbold> OH HOLY CRAP
  29. # [02:58] <ajnewbold> yeah
  30. # [02:58] <ajnewbold> I just looked at it in Opera
  31. # [02:59] <ajnewbold> now this is interesting
  32. # [02:59] <ajnewbold> it's a bunch of divs, each 1px high
  33. # [02:59] <ajnewbold> 300 of them
  34. # [02:59] <ajnewbold> why would that stack up to more than 300px?
  35. # [02:59] <ajnewbold> it still looks smooth, interesting
  36. # [02:59] <Dashiva> Because they aren't actually 1px high
  37. # [02:59] <ajnewbold> oh
  38. # [02:59] <ajnewbold> ohhhhh
  39. # [02:59] <ajnewbold> nvm, I see what I did
  40. # [02:59] * ajnewbold growls at himself
  41. # [03:00] <ajnewbold> Dashiva: try again now :)
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  43. # [03:00] <Dashiva> Still 3000 in IE, but 300 in Opera
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  45. # [03:02] <ajnewbold> hmmm
  46. # [03:02] <ajnewbold> Dashiva: I don't have IE :(
  47. # [03:02] <ajnewbold> any idea what IE's problem might be?
  48. # [03:02] <ajnewbold> is it freaking out that I don't have a doctype or something?
  49. # [03:03] <ajnewbold> or... <body> ... heh
  50. # [03:03] * ajnewbold cleans things up
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  52. # [03:05] <Dashiva> You might want to outsource height to a stylesheet, and the width is somewhat redundant
  53. # [03:06] <Dashiva> Okay, workie in IE
  54. # [03:07] <ajnewbold> Dashiva: heh, funny
  55. # [03:07] <ajnewbold> so all IE wanted was valid, well-formed source
  56. # [03:07] <ajnewbold> that's a new one
  57. # [03:07] <Dashiva> There's a reason they call it quirks mode
  58. # [03:07] <ajnewbold> ah
  59. # [03:08] <ajnewbold> well, what I'd like to do is generate an image file
  60. # [03:08] <ajnewbold> I'm sure lots of people out there just want simple gradients to use as backgrounds, but don't want to mess with graphics apps just to make them
  61. # [03:09] <ajnewbold> ah, nevermind
  62. # [03:09] <ajnewbold> http://calebegg.com/grad/ someone's already done it
  63. # [03:09] <Dashiva> Have the server run opera, firefox or safari, generate the gradient on a canvas, toDataUrl the canvas into a new window, "save as" that image, and serve it to the user
  64. # [03:10] <ajnewbold> canvas, hmm
  65. # [03:10] <ajnewbold> I really need to learn more about that
  66. # [03:10] <Dashiva> (The above is not to be taken as a serious suggestion)
  67. # [03:10] <ajnewbold> oh
  68. # [03:10] <ajnewbold> I take everything seriously
  69. # [03:11] <ajnewbold> it's a horrible personality flaw
  70. # [03:11] <Dashiva> There are many ways to do it, really
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  85. # [10:27] <met_> http://vocamus.net/dave/?p=39
  86. # [10:29] <annevk> interesting
  87. # [10:29] <Hixie> hey
  88. # [10:29] <annevk> morning
  89. # [10:30] <hsivonen> morning
  90. # [10:30] <met_> good morning
  91. # [10:30] <met_> and the ussage in the example http://zenit.senecac.on.ca/~bts630_071g07/canvas/BargraphExample.xhtml
  92. # [10:30] <met_> altough not valid of course
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  97. # [11:43] <Lachy> Hey Hixie
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  99. # [11:58] <Hixie> hey
  100. # [12:28] <annevk> Does Chris Wilson mean that the CSS fixes they will be doing will solely apply to Really We Mean it this Time Standards Mode?
  101. # [12:29] <annevk> I'm not really sure I understand his example with floats as other browsers likely render those sites ok...
  102. # [12:32] <hsivonen> looks like Dreamhost is having an outage again
  103. # [12:32] <annevk> yeah
  104. # [12:33] <annevk> whatwg.org down, html5.org down
  105. # [12:33] <annevk> etc.
  106. # [12:36] <hsivonen> once the easter holidays are over, someone has to raise the issue of adopting HTML5 in the HTML WG. the current situation is unproductive
  107. # [12:37] * annevk wonders how that will go
  108. # [12:37] <hsivonen> I have a draft email
  109. # [12:40] <met_> annevk, any way of voting? (dunno who can start voting in html wg)
  110. # [12:41] <annevk> I suppose voting could work
  111. # [12:41] <webben> would the main bar to that be Microsoft?
  112. # [12:41] <webben> or the xforms-lite folks?
  113. # [12:42] <annevk> I'm not sure what the position of either is
  114. # [12:42] <annevk> Doesn't really matter much at this point
  115. # [12:43] <annevk> It starts getting interesting once another draft + editor is being put forward
  116. # [12:43] <annevk> but I don't really see that happening
  117. # [12:43] <webben> how come? just general pessimism about the process?
  118. # [12:44] <webben> oh wait you mean another as in additional to whatwg's html5?
  119. # [12:44] <annevk> Yes
  120. # [12:52] <hendry> dreamhost are a tad unreliable :/
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  122. # [13:29] <Dashiva> Considering even the expert group making up the WG can't get acronyms and initialisms right (or even agree what is right), why are we still chasing after the idea that average authors will?
  123. # [14:00] <Lachy> Hey Hixie, I finally started playing around with irssi.
  124. # [14:00] <Lachy> it's not as hard as I initially thought it would be, but there are still many things I need to learn about it.
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  130. # [15:05] <annevk> <figure> should work inside <p>
  131. # [15:05] <annevk> much like <random> works
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  134. # [16:28] <hsivonen> annevk: nice for HTML5. less nice for the schema handling of struct-inline and text/html...
  135. # [16:29] <hsivonen> annevk: I'll comment on the list. thanks
  136. # [17:11] <annevk> http://www.dreamhoststatus.com/2007/04/08/dns-issues-causing-possible-site-and-email-downtime/
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  142. # [19:56] <annevk> http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2007/04/html_5.html
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