/irc-logs / freenode / #whatwg / 2007-05-05 / end

Options:

  1. # Session Start: Sat May 05 00:00:00 2007
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:01] * Quits: csarven (n=nevrasc@modemcable081.152-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  4. # [00:01] * Quits: Toolskyn (n=toolskyn@adsl-dc-266ef.adsl.wanadoo.nl) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  5. # [00:01] * Quits: mpt (n=mpt@canonical/launchpad/mpt) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  6. # [00:01] * Quits: Lachy (n=Lachlan@124-168-27-56.dyn.iinet.net.au) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  7. # [00:01] * Quits: sgillies (n=chatzill@dsl-179-116.dynamic-dsl.frii.net) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  8. # [00:01] * Quits: Lfe (n=lfe@korvkungen.se) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  9. # [00:01] * Quits: Dashiva (i=Dashiva@v035b.studby.ntnu.no) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  10. # [00:01] * Joins: Lfe_ (n=lfe@korvkungen.se)
  11. # [00:01] * Joins: Dashiva (i=Dashiva@v035b.studby.ntnu.no)
  12. # [00:01] * Joins: Toolskyn (n=toolskyn@83.116.4.239)
  13. # [00:02] * Joins: Lachy (n=Lachlan@124-168-27-56.dyn.iinet.net.au)
  14. # [00:02] * Joins: sgillies (n=chatzill@216.17.179.116)
  15. # [00:16] * Quits: dbaron (n=dbaron@corp-242.mountainview.mozilla.com) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  16. # [00:16] * Joins: dbaron (n=dbaron@corp-242.mountainview.mozilla.com)
  17. # [00:21] * Quits: wilhelm (n=wilhelm@trivini.no) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  18. # [00:21] * Quits: citoyen (i=eira@synth.no) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  19. # [00:21] * Joins: wilhelm (n=wilhelm@trivini.no)
  20. # [00:21] * Joins: citoyen (i=eira@synth.no)
  21. # [00:30] * Quits: sgillies (n=chatzill@216.17.179.116) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  22. # [00:30] * Quits: Lachy (n=Lachlan@124-168-27-56.dyn.iinet.net.au) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  23. # [00:30] * Quits: Toolskyn (n=toolskyn@83.116.4.239) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  24. # [00:30] * Quits: Dashiva (i=Dashiva@v035b.studby.ntnu.no) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  25. # [00:30] * Quits: Lfe_ (n=lfe@korvkungen.se) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  26. # [00:30] * Quits: annevk (n=annevk@pat-tdc.opera.com) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  27. # [00:30] * Quits: h3h (n=h3h@66-162-32-234.static.twtelecom.net) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  28. # [00:30] * Quits: Philip` (n=philip@zaynar.demon.co.uk) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  29. # [00:30] * Joins: Dashiva (i=Dashiva@v035b.studby.ntnu.no)
  30. # [00:30] * Joins: Philip` (n=philip@zaynar.demon.co.uk)
  31. # [00:30] * Joins: Lfe (n=lfe@82.96.60.149)
  32. # [00:30] * Joins: Toolskyn (n=toolskyn@adsl-dc-266ef.adsl.wanadoo.nl)
  33. # [00:31] * Joins: Lachy (n=Lachlan@124-168-27-56.dyn.iinet.net.au)
  34. # [00:31] * Joins: sgillies (n=chatzill@dsl-179-116.dynamic-dsl.frii.net)
  35. # [00:32] * Joins: h3h (n=h3h@66-162-32-234.static.twtelecom.net)
  36. # [00:44] * Quits: jruderman (n=jruderma@corp-242.mountainview.mozilla.com)
  37. # [00:57] * Joins: jruderman (n=jruderma@corp-242.mountainview.mozilla.com)
  38. # [01:06] * moeffju is now known as moeffju[ZzZz]
  39. # [01:28] * Quits: psa (n=yomode@posom.com) (Remote closed the connection)
  40. # [01:35] * Quits: jruderman (n=jruderma@corp-242.mountainview.mozilla.com)
  41. # [01:39] * Joins: jruderman (n=jruderma@corp-242.mountainview.mozilla.com)
  42. # [02:09] * Quits: jruderman (n=jruderma@corp-242.mountainview.mozilla.com)
  43. # [02:09] * Parts: Faf (i=htjdjkev@nezmar.netlab.cz)
  44. # [02:11] * Joins: BenWard (n=BenWard@cpc3-cmbg2-0-0-cust58.cmbg.cable.ntl.com)
  45. # [02:17] * Quits: h3h (n=h3h@66-162-32-234.static.twtelecom.net) ("|")
  46. # [02:38] * Quits: Toolskyn (n=toolskyn@adsl-dc-266ef.adsl.wanadoo.nl) (Connection timed out)
  47. # [03:01] * Quits: BenWard (n=BenWard@cpc3-cmbg2-0-0-cust58.cmbg.cable.ntl.com)
  48. # [03:08] * Quits: MrNaz (n=Naz@203-214-95-166.dyn.iinet.net.au) (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
  49. # [03:17] * Joins: polin8 (n=brian@ool-18b8cc06.dyn.optonline.net)
  50. # [03:41] * Joins: jruderman (n=jruderma@corp-242.mountainview.mozilla.com)
  51. # [03:54] * Quits: dbaron (n=dbaron@corp-242.mountainview.mozilla.com) ("8403864 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.")
  52. # [04:20] * Joins: dbaron (n=dbaron@c-71-198-189-81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  53. # [04:24] * Joins: dolphinling (n=chatzill@rbpool1-119.shoreham.net)
  54. # [04:32] * Quits: bzed (n=bzed@dslb-084-059-101-072.pools.arcor-ip.net) ("Leaving")
  55. # [04:43] * Joins: tantek (n=tantek@h-68-165-1-61.snvacaid.covad.net)
  56. # [05:27] * Joins: tantek_ (n=tantek@h-68-165-1-62.snvacaid.covad.net)
  57. # [05:33] * Quits: jruderman (n=jruderma@corp-242.mountainview.mozilla.com)
  58. # [05:47] * Quits: tantek (n=tantek@h-68-165-1-61.snvacaid.covad.net) (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
  59. # [05:59] * Joins: jruderman (n=jruderma@c-67-169-183-228.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  60. # [06:20] * Quits: tantek_ (n=tantek@h-68-165-1-62.snvacaid.covad.net)
  61. # [06:21] * Joins: tantek (n=tantek@h-68-165-1-61.snvacaid.covad.net)
  62. # [06:31] * Quits: tantek (n=tantek@h-68-165-1-61.snvacaid.covad.net)
  63. # [07:22] * Quits: dbaron (n=dbaron@c-71-198-189-81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) ("8403864 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.")
  64. # [07:57] * Joins: MrNaz (n=Naz@203-214-95-166.dyn.iinet.net.au)
  65. # [08:21] * Joins: dbaron (n=dbaron@c-71-198-189-81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  66. # [08:38] * Joins: met_ (n=Hassman@r5bx220.net.upc.cz)
  67. # [08:58] * Joins: tantek (n=tantek@adsl-63-195-114-133.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
  68. # [09:16] * moeffju[ZzZz] is now known as moeffju[Away]
  69. # [09:26] * Joins: KevinMarks (n=Snak@h-68-164-93-9.snvacaid.dynamic.covad.net)
  70. # [09:38] * Quits: MrNaz (n=Naz@203-214-95-166.dyn.iinet.net.au) (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
  71. # [09:44] * Joins: ROBOd (n=robod@86.34.246.154)
  72. # [10:02] * Joins: Toolskyn (n=toolskyn@adsl-dc-266ef.adsl.wanadoo.nl)
  73. # [10:02] * Quits: Toolskyn (n=toolskyn@adsl-dc-266ef.adsl.wanadoo.nl) (Success)
  74. # [10:02] * Joins: Toolskyn (n=toolskyn@adsl-dc-266ef.adsl.wanadoo.nl)
  75. # [10:16] * Quits: ROBOd (n=robod@86.34.246.154) ("http://www.robodesign.ro")
  76. # [10:44] * Quits: dbaron (n=dbaron@c-71-198-189-81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) ("8403864 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.")
  77. # [10:47] * Joins: hendry (n=hendry@91.84.53.136)
  78. # [11:12] * moeffju[Away] is now known as moeffju
  79. # [11:28] * Joins: mw22 (n=chatzill@cc1057475-a.ls1.ov.home.nl)
  80. # [12:08] * Joins: bzed (n=bzed@dslb-084-059-098-177.pools.arcor-ip.net)
  81. # [12:15] * Joins: ROBOd (n=robod@86.34.246.154)
  82. # [12:17] * Quits: bzed (n=bzed@dslb-084-059-098-177.pools.arcor-ip.net) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  83. # [12:17] * Quits: met_ (n=Hassman@r5bx220.net.upc.cz) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  84. # [12:17] * Quits: polin8 (n=brian@ool-18b8cc06.dyn.optonline.net) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  85. # [12:17] * Quits: Lfe (n=lfe@82.96.60.149) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  86. # [12:17] * Joins: bzed (n=bzed@dslb-084-059-098-177.pools.arcor-ip.net)
  87. # [12:17] * Joins: met_ (n=Hassman@r5bx220.net.upc.cz)
  88. # [12:17] * Joins: polin8 (n=brian@ool-18b8cc06.dyn.optonline.net)
  89. # [12:17] * Joins: Lfe (n=lfe@82.96.60.149)
  90. # [12:31] * Joins: annevk (n=annevk@pat-tdc.opera.com)
  91. # [12:31] * Joins: hasather (n=hasather@81-235-209-174-no62.tbcn.telia.com)
  92. # [12:44] * Quits: annevk (n=annevk@pat-tdc.opera.com) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  93. # [12:44] * Quits: met_ (n=Hassman@r5bx220.net.upc.cz) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  94. # [12:44] * Quits: Lfe (n=lfe@82.96.60.149) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  95. # [12:44] * Quits: polin8 (n=brian@ool-18b8cc06.dyn.optonline.net) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  96. # [12:44] * Quits: bzed (n=bzed@dslb-084-059-098-177.pools.arcor-ip.net) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  97. # [12:46] * Joins: annevk (n=annevk@pat-tdc.opera.com)
  98. # [12:46] * Joins: bzed (n=bzed@dslb-084-059-098-177.pools.arcor-ip.net)
  99. # [12:46] * Joins: met_ (n=Hassman@r5bx220.net.upc.cz)
  100. # [12:46] * Joins: polin8 (n=brian@ool-18b8cc06.dyn.optonline.net)
  101. # [12:46] * Joins: Lfe (n=lfe@82.96.60.149)
  102. # [13:02] * Quits: met_ (n=Hassman@r5bx220.net.upc.cz) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  103. # [13:02] * Quits: annevk (n=annevk@pat-tdc.opera.com) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  104. # [13:02] * Quits: Lfe (n=lfe@82.96.60.149) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  105. # [13:02] * Quits: polin8 (n=brian@ool-18b8cc06.dyn.optonline.net) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  106. # [13:02] * Quits: bzed (n=bzed@dslb-084-059-098-177.pools.arcor-ip.net) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  107. # [13:03] * Joins: annevk (n=annevk@pat-tdc.opera.com)
  108. # [13:03] * Joins: bzed (n=bzed@dslb-084-059-098-177.pools.arcor-ip.net)
  109. # [13:03] * Joins: met_ (n=Hassman@r5bx220.net.upc.cz)
  110. # [13:03] * Joins: polin8 (n=brian@ool-18b8cc06.dyn.optonline.net)
  111. # [13:03] * Joins: Lfe (n=lfe@82.96.60.149)
  112. # [13:22] * Quits: met_ (n=Hassman@r5bx220.net.upc.cz) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  113. # [13:22] * Quits: annevk (n=annevk@pat-tdc.opera.com) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  114. # [13:22] * Quits: Lfe (n=lfe@82.96.60.149) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  115. # [13:22] * Quits: polin8 (n=brian@ool-18b8cc06.dyn.optonline.net) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  116. # [13:22] * Quits: bzed (n=bzed@dslb-084-059-098-177.pools.arcor-ip.net) (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net)
  117. # [13:23] * Joins: annevk (n=annevk@pat-tdc.opera.com)
  118. # [13:23] * Joins: bzed (n=bzed@dslb-084-059-098-177.pools.arcor-ip.net)
  119. # [13:23] * Joins: met_ (n=Hassman@r5bx220.net.upc.cz)
  120. # [13:23] * Joins: polin8 (n=brian@ool-18b8cc06.dyn.optonline.net)
  121. # [13:23] * Joins: Lfe (n=lfe@82.96.60.149)
  122. # [13:51] <hsivonen> Hixie: should headers='' and summary='' be considered removed or not added yet?
  123. # [13:52] <annevk> when he did tables they were "removed"
  124. # [13:52] <annevk> well, not added because it wasn't clear what their processing model and use case was
  125. # [14:04] <Lachy> headers is useful for associating cells with their headers in complex tables. They're also more supported by ATs than scope=""
  126. # [14:04] <Lachy> but that could be fixed by defining the processing model for scope in a way that ATs can implement
  127. # [14:05] <Lachy> I think summary wasn't added few people use it, and even fewer use it correctly
  128. # [14:05] <annevk> I don't think much people use headers either
  129. # [14:06] <annevk> But I should shut up as I don't have data
  130. # [14:06] <Lachy> I've used headers="" before
  131. # [14:07] <Lachy> but I mostly use scope=""
  132. # [14:21] * Joins: zcorpan (n=zcorpan@84-216-40-144.sprayadsl.telenor.se)
  133. # [14:31] * Joins: didymos (i=jho@rapwap.razor.dk)
  134. # [15:52] * Quits: jdandrea (n=jdandrea@ool-44c0a1fe.dyn.optonline.net)
  135. # [16:09] * Quits: zcorpan (n=zcorpan@84-216-40-144.sprayadsl.telenor.se) (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
  136. # [16:45] * Joins: zcorpan (n=zcorpan@217-211-77-236-no13.tbcn.telia.com)
  137. # [16:57] * Quits: hendry (n=hendry@91.84.53.136) (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out))
  138. # [16:57] * Quits: polin8 (n=brian@ool-18b8cc06.dyn.optonline.net)
  139. # [17:00] * Joins: hendry (n=hendry@91.84.53.136)
  140. # [17:04] * Joins: polin8 (n=brian@ool-18b8cc06.dyn.optonline.net)
  141. # [17:07] * Joins: MrNaz (n=Naz@203-214-95-166.dyn.iinet.net.au)
  142. # [17:08] * Quits: ajnewbold (n=fax_mach@unaffiliated/chuangtzu)
  143. # [17:17] * Quits: polin8 (n=brian@ool-18b8cc06.dyn.optonline.net)
  144. # [17:30] * Joins: dev0 (i=Tobias@unaffiliated/icefox0)
  145. # [17:49] * Quits: Lachy (n=Lachlan@124-168-27-56.dyn.iinet.net.au) (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
  146. # [17:50] * Joins: Lachy (n=Lachlan@124-168-27-56.dyn.iinet.net.au)
  147. # [17:54] * Quits: hasather (n=hasather@81-235-209-174-no62.tbcn.telia.com) (Remote closed the connection)
  148. # [17:55] * Joins: hasather (n=hasather@81-235-209-174-no62.tbcn.telia.com)
  149. # [18:10] <Lachy> updated the FAQ with a new entry, thanks to zcorpan http://blog.whatwg.org/faq/#tag-soup
  150. # [18:12] <zcorpan> Lachy: your revised text is much better than my original :)
  151. # [18:12] <Lachy> :-)
  152. # [18:19] * Joins: jdandrea (n=jdandrea@ool-44c0a1fe.dyn.optonline.net)
  153. # [18:49] <gsnedders> on that subject…
  154. # [18:50] <gsnedders> annevk: does your XML5 have the same document conformance requirements as XML 1.0, so that any XML5 document can be parsed as XML 1.0? (seeming the real failing on XML 1.1 was the lack of compatiblity in a similar way)
  155. # [18:51] <annevk> no
  156. # [18:51] * Joins: hendry_ (n=hendry@91.84.53.136)
  157. # [18:51] * Quits: hendry (n=hendry@91.84.53.136) (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer))
  158. # [18:51] <annevk> that's by definition impossible since "XML5 document" will depend on the MIME type, not on the document
  159. # [18:51] <Lachy> but conforming XML 1.0 will be conforming XML5, so XML5 is a superset
  160. # [18:52] <annevk> yeah, although I'd like to simply forbid DOCTYPEs
  161. # [18:52] <Lachy> (unless you're going to make DOCTYPEs and DTDs non conforming)
  162. # [18:52] <annevk> :)
  163. # [18:52] <gsnedders> but I guess they won't cause a fatal error :P
  164. # [18:52] <gsnedders> </sarcasm>
  165. # [18:52] <Lachy> you could make external subsets non-conforming
  166. # [18:53] <annevk> external subsets are not supported
  167. # [18:53] <Lachy> yeah, right, so any document that uses one, like <!DOCTYPE foo SYSTEM "http://..."> will be non-conforming
  168. # [18:53] <annevk> currently it gives you a parse error after "<!DOCTYPE"
  169. # [18:54] <Lachy> so <!DOCTYPE html> will be non-conforming XML5? cool@
  170. # [18:54] <Lachy> !
  171. # [18:55] <annevk> i'm sure it will be changed in due course
  172. # [18:55] <annevk> but for the moment it's ok I think
  173. # [18:56] * zcorpan thinks that conforming xml5 has to be the same or a subset of well-formed xml 1.0 in order to be successful, looking at xml 1.1, but i could be wrong
  174. # [18:56] <zcorpan> otherwise there will be a de-facto subset of xml5 that is also well-formed xml 1.0
  175. # [18:56] <zcorpan> which might be ok
  176. # [18:57] <zcorpan> when xml 1.0 processors are not longer used that subset becomes irrelevant :)
  177. # [18:57] <annevk> If people start relying on my single new feature </> XML 1.0 processors might be encouraged to update
  178. # [18:57] <Lachy> the major problem with XML 1.1 was that it wasn't even backwards compatible. There was no subset of 1.1 that was conforming 1.0
  179. # [18:57] <gsnedders> close last open tag?
  180. # [18:57] <annevk> CloseTagShort
  181. # [18:57] <annevk> yes
  182. # [18:57] <zcorpan> ah, i like </> :)
  183. # [18:58] <hasather> it should've been in XML from the beginning IMO
  184. # [18:58] <gsnedders> doesn't SGML have something similar?
  185. # [18:58] <annevk> This is all highly theoretical of course because I'm not sure how much people like it.
  186. # [18:58] <gsnedders> like, exactly that?
  187. # [18:58] <hasather> it was discussed
  188. # [18:58] <Lachy> nice! Defining failed SGML features is sure to work! :-)
  189. # [18:58] <zcorpan> gavin: yes
  190. # [18:58] <zcorpan> annevk: can't you make end tags optional too?
  191. # [18:59] <annevk> I'm not sure whether that's conforming or a parse error
  192. # [18:59] <Lachy> omitting end tags should be a parse error
  193. # [18:59] <annevk> The idea is that <a><b></a> will give you <a><b></b></a> as tree
  194. # [19:00] <annevk> The idea is also for that to be non-conforming markup
  195. # [19:00] <Dashiva> Is there a WD on XML5 somewhere?
  196. # [19:00] <Lachy> consider the case where someone writes <a>foo <b>bar<b> baz</a>. They probably meant </b>, but mistyped, so it would be good for conformance checkers to emit an error
  197. # [19:01] <annevk> Dashiva, I'm implementing first
  198. # [19:01] <Lachy> other than just allowing more Unicode chars, and the possible </>, what other features will be incompat with 1.0?
  199. # [19:01] <annevk> http://annevankesteren.nl/2007/xml5lib-tokenizer-plan.txt has an incomplete tokenization plan though, fwiw
  200. # [19:01] <annevk> Lachy, <x foo bar=x />
  201. # [19:02] <Lachy> why are you making that conforming?
  202. # [19:02] <annevk> for timbl
  203. # [19:02] <Lachy> ?
  204. # [19:03] <annevk> that was a joke sort of; mainly for compat with HTML
  205. # [19:03] <Lachy> I don't think it should be made conforming, though I agree with making the error handling compat with HTML in that case
  206. # [19:03] <zcorpan> annevk: won't </> being conforming as an end tag in xml5 make people try to use it in html? (cf <foo />)
  207. # [19:04] <annevk> zcorpan, maybe
  208. # [19:06] <Lachy> I'd advise against making too many incompat changes from XML 1.0. It's going to be hard enough getting people XML fans to accept XML5's error handling, without making it seem even more like tag soup
  209. # [19:07] <zcorpan> annevk: have you researched what non-drocanian xml parsers do? feed parsers, for isntance?
  210. # [19:07] <Lachy> just look at how many arguments there have been against HTML defining error handling! I wish you luck with XML ;-)
  211. # [19:07] <zcorpan> yeah
  212. # [19:07] * gsnedders shudders
  213. # [19:07] * gsnedders then moves on the implement it regardles
  214. # [19:07] <gsnedders> *regardless
  215. # [19:08] <annevk> zcorpan, a little bit, not much
  216. # [19:08] <zcorpan> ok
  217. # [19:08] <annevk> zcorpan, I don't think those non-draconian parsers do the interesting bits, such as DOCTYPEs
  218. # [19:08] <zcorpan> e.g., how they handle </> might be relevant
  219. # [19:09] <annevk> ah, we just put a WHATWG sticker on it and ship it
  220. # [19:09] * Quits: tantek (n=tantek@adsl-63-195-114-133.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
  221. # [19:09] <annevk> zcorpan, how easy they seem to be willing to switch from one draconian parser to another suggests otherwise
  222. # [19:10] <zcorpan> i don't follow
  223. # [19:10] <annevk> Sam Ruby made a liberal XML parser based on html5lib and used that instead
  224. # [19:10] * Joins: tantek (n=tantek@adsl-63-195-114-133.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
  225. # [19:10] <zcorpan> right
  226. # [19:10] <gsnedders> it isn't overly imporatnt
  227. # [19:10] <gsnedders> they're very varied
  228. # [19:10] <annevk> as opposed to one based on an SGML parser
  229. # [19:10] * hendry_ is now known as hendry
  230. # [19:11] <annevk> anyway, if something proves to be an issue we should of course change it
  231. # [19:11] <gsnedders> so reverse engineering them is pointless. all do different things really.
  232. # [19:11] <zcorpan> my point is that if a number of non-drocanian xml parsers treat </> differently from the way you planned it should work then it might not be a good idea to spec something different from what they already do
  233. # [19:11] * Quits: tantek (n=tantek@adsl-63-195-114-133.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) (Client Quit)
  234. # [19:11] <zcorpan> i don't know what they do, i'm just suggesting that it's something to look into
  235. # [19:12] <zcorpan> if all are very different then content probably doesn't depend on it :)
  236. # [19:12] <annevk> it is very likely they do something else
  237. # [19:12] <annevk> i think it's unlikely "XML content" will depend greatly on it though
  238. # [19:13] <Lachy> good night everyone
  239. # [19:13] <annevk> bye
  240. # [19:15] * Quits: ROBOd (n=robod@86.34.246.154) (Remote closed the connection)
  241. # [19:16] * Joins: ROBOd (n=robod@86.34.246.154)
  242. # [19:27] * Joins: csarven (n=nevrasc@modemcable081.152-201-24.mc.videotron.ca)
  243. # [19:40] <zcorpan> jdandrea: made any progress on the style sheet thing?
  244. # [19:44] * Joins: dbaron (n=dbaron@c-71-198-189-81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  245. # [19:48] <annevk> Ok, the tokenizer now handles cases like <a x y>TEST<![CDATA[test]]>x</a>
  246. # [19:48] <annevk> And it actually works. I was planning to do entities to today, but it seems like it has to wait
  247. # [20:04] <Dashiva> I am bit depressed by how much of the tokenizer is just handling doctypes
  248. # [20:06] <Dashiva> 68 states, 42 are for doctype. Simplicity cries.
  249. # [20:36] <jdandrea> zcorpan: not yet (some multitasking afoot) but I did run through Hixie's excellent article on spec parsing (a few times, slowly). I expect to try a section today. To recap, I'm looking for author-specific normative statements (correct me if I'm wrong)?
  250. # [20:37] * jdandrea is tending to an injured family member (they'll be fine)
  251. # [20:38] <gsnedders> jdandrea: what article?
  252. # [20:40] <jdandrea> gsnedders: http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1140242962&count=1 - I've read RFC2119 and all but this was a really good review. Should be required reading by everyone on the HTML WG list IMNSHO. :)
  253. # [20:40] <gsnedders> jdandrea: ah. that old article.
  254. # [20:41] <jdandrea> an oldie but goodie. ;)
  255. # [20:55] * Quits: dbaron (n=dbaron@c-71-198-189-81.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) ("8403864 bytes have been tenured, next gc will be global.")
  256. # [21:28] * Quits: hays (n=hays@pool-138-88-199-16.res.east.verizon.net) ("Leaving")
  257. # [21:36] <zcorpan> jdandrea: you should be looking for things that *don't* apply to authors :)
  258. # [21:39] <zcorpan> jdandrea: things that are author-specific but not normative should still be visible (e.g. examples)
  259. # [21:40] <zcorpan> jdandrea: and things that are ua-specific but non-normative should probably still be hidden (e.g. examples for how some algorithm works)
  260. # [22:16] * Quits: zcorpan (n=zcorpan@217-211-77-236-no13.tbcn.telia.com) (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
  261. # [22:26] * Joins: BenWard (n=BenWard@cpc3-cmbg2-0-0-cust58.cmbg.cable.ntl.com)
  262. # [22:27] * Quits: BenWard (n=BenWard@cpc3-cmbg2-0-0-cust58.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) (Client Quit)
  263. # [22:28] * Joins: BenWard (n=BenWard@cpc3-cmbg2-0-0-cust58.cmbg.cable.ntl.com)
  264. # [22:31] <gsnedders> Hixie: you able to get a list of @rel values on HTML docs?
  265. # [22:43] * Joins: webben (n=benh@91.84.133.93)
  266. # [22:52] * Quits: ROBOd (n=robod@86.34.246.154) ("http://www.robodesign.ro")
  267. # [23:32] * Quits: webben (n=benh@91.84.133.93) (Client Quit)
  268. # [23:41] <met_> shoudn't be first paragraph actualized? http://blog.whatwg.org/faq/#schedule
  269. # [23:41] * Quits: dev0 (i=Tobias@unaffiliated/icefox0) (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
  270. # [23:42] * Joins: zcorpan (n=zcorpan@217-211-77-236-no13.tbcn.telia.com)
  271. # Session Close: Sun May 06 00:00:00 2007

The end :)