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  3. # [00:11] <Hixie> "actiualised"?
  4. # [00:12] <Hixie> gsnedders: how do you mean?
  5. # [00:14] <met_> "When will HTML 5 be finished? - Around 15 years or more to reach a W3C recommendation" sound little bit sarcastic now
  6. # [00:16] <Hixie> why?
  7. # [00:16] <Hixie> it's about right
  8. # [00:16] <met_> if html wg name his next specification HTML5?
  9. # [00:16] <Hixie> yes, that's what the question is talking about
  10. # [00:17] <met_> there is schelude for 2010, isn't?
  11. # [00:17] <Hixie> haha
  12. # [00:17] <Hixie> yes
  13. # [00:17] <Hixie> but that schedule is a joke
  14. # [00:17] <met_> really? 8-)
  15. # [00:17] <Hixie> consider that work on HTML4 started around 1996, and still today, 11 years later, hasn't got two complete interoperable implementations
  16. # [00:17] <met_> but we need some specificaition earlier then in 2022 8-0
  17. # [00:20] <Hixie> we have one today
  18. # [00:20] <Hixie> read the rest of the answer :-)
  19. # [00:22] <met_> reading "For a spec to become a REC, it requires two 100% complete and fully interoperable implementations", really it worked such way in W3C? im not sure
  20. # [00:22] <met_> not speaking it isn't good idea, of course it is
  21. # [00:24] <met_> "different parts of the specification are at different maturity levels" - it's ok in WHATWG, but surely it is not way how it will work in HTML WG?
  22. # [00:24] <Hixie> you'd have to ask DanC about how it'll work in the W3C
  23. # [00:24] <Hixie> gotta go
  24. # [00:24] <Hixie> bbl
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  26. # [00:36] <gsnedders> Hixie: what values people use in the rel attribute
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  82. # [16:48] <Philip`> Eek, I think I did something bad to html5lib...
  83. # [16:49] <Philip`> "RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded" - maybe it's just a badly written site, though
  84. # [16:55] <Philip`> Aha, no, it's not the site's fault
  85. # [16:57] <Philip`> If I try to parse the document <script></script><html><head></head><body></body></html> then it fails with that error
  86. # [16:57] <Philip`> ...at least in version 0.9 - it seems to work happily in http://hasather.net/html5/parsetree/ which I guess might be a different version
  87. # [16:59] <Philip`> Ah, it works in the SVN version
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  118. # [23:10] <MichaelMH> Yo, I'm a humble webdesigner and I was reading wikipedia when I got "see also-ed" WHATWG. I'm a litte confused as to why theres a XHTML 2 and a HTML5
  119. # [23:10] <MichaelMH> I thought XHTML replaced HTML as like a new version.
  120. # [23:11] <zcorpan> MichaelMH: http://blog.whatwg.org/faq/ might help (although it doesn't really cover in detail what you're asking about yet :( ...)
  121. # [23:12] <ajnewbold> MichaelMH: xhtml was never really meant to replace html; it's a common misconception :(
  122. # [23:13] <met_> maybe here http://xhtml.com/en/future/conversation-with-x-html-5-team/ are some basic principles described
  123. # [23:14] <zcorpan> MichaelMH: but in any case, html5 has an xml serialization as well should you want to use it
  124. # [23:15] <zcorpan> (referred to as xhtml5)
  125. # [23:15] <MichaelMH> ic.. well I don't really use any xml
  126. # [23:16] <MichaelMH> thank you for the links.
  127. # [23:16] <zcorpan> ok. then presumably the xml serialization is less interesting to you than the text/html serialization
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  129. # [23:20] <MichaelMH> hmm.. I really need to learn about this stuff. Does the w3c decide what can and cant be used for web development?
  130. # [23:20] <zcorpan> MichaelMH: does the w3c endorce flash?
  131. # [23:21] <zcorpan> s/endorce/endorse/
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  133. # [23:21] <MichaelMH> ah yeah
  134. # [23:21] <MichaelMH> so, what do they do exactly?
  135. # [23:21] <MichaelMH> just provide nice buttons for your websites?
  136. # [23:22] <zcorpan> no
  137. # [23:22] <zcorpan> "w3c" is mostly a name aiui. then there are many working groups working on different things
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  139. # [23:23] <zcorpan> e.g. a new html wg was chartered recently to work on the same thing that the whatwg are working on, basically
  140. # [23:23] <zcorpan> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/
  141. # [23:24] <MichaelMH> so two seperate groups are working on the same thing?
  142. # [23:25] <zcorpan> it hasn't been decided formally yet what the htmlwg will be doing, but taking the whatwg proposals as a starting point is the only real proposal that has been put forward
  143. # [23:25] <zcorpan> though the charter is very similar to the whatwg proposals, so presumably that is the intent
  144. # [23:25] <MichaelMH> ah ic. so if the whatwg proposal is accepted will they begin working with them?
  145. # [23:26] <zcorpan> yes
  146. # [23:26] <zcorpan> hopefully it will be one and the same spec with the same editors that are part of both groups
  147. # [23:27] <zcorpan> (i and many others here are members of both groups)
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  149. # [23:28] <MichaelMH> so whats this for http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/
  150. # [23:29] <zcorpan> MichaelMH: the xhtml2 wg's home page
  151. # [23:31] <MichaelMH> yeah but why is there a xhtml2 and a (x)html5
  152. # [23:33] <zcorpan> MichaelMH: because the people in the xhtml2 wg (the old html wg) had a different vision of the future of the web than the vision of opera, mozilla and apple
  153. # [23:34] <MichaelMH> So does that mean xhtml2 will never be implemented into a browser?
  154. # [23:35] <zcorpan> well, aiui opera, mozilla and apple are not interested in implementing xhtml2
  155. # [23:35] <zcorpan> microsoft have bigger fish to fry
  156. # [23:36] <MichaelMH> what do you mean by that? whats microsoft up to?
  157. # [23:36] <zcorpan> microsoft are chairing the html wg, but i don't know what their plans are wrt xhtml2 (i would presume they won't implement xhtml2 anytime soon)
  158. # [23:37] <zcorpan> (or at all)
  159. # [23:37] <MichaelMH> I've never gotten anything to work with IE anyway.
  160. # [23:38] <MichaelMH> I signed upto the forums. its a bit of a ghost town. I would of thought it would be full of web developers
  161. # [23:39] <zcorpan> the forums are not so old
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  163. # [23:39] <zcorpan> but feel free to ask questions there
  164. # [23:39] <MichaelMH> ah Ic. whats with the skinny author column in viewtopic
  165. # [23:41] <zcorpan> um. dunno. probably because it's not in quirks mode
  166. # [23:41] <MichaelMH> And no avatars!
  167. # [23:41] <zcorpan> you want avatars?
  168. # [23:42] <MichaelMH> yeah, it so much easier to remember somebody with an image rather than there name.
  169. # [23:43] <Philip`> It should be just the quality of the message that is important, not who wrote it ;-)
  170. # [23:44] <zcorpan> anyone here against avatars?
  171. # [23:44] <MichaelMH> yeah but if someone has written several quality messages you are more inclined to listen to their opinion
  172. # [23:45] * Philip` thinks they do make it easier to follow a discussion
  173. # [23:45] <zcorpan> enabled
  174. # [23:46] <Philip`> (It's like in IRC when there's a discussion between people whose names are the same length, and you can't tell who's who without actually reading all the letters, which is irritating)
  175. # [23:48] <MichaelMH> ok.. now to find/make an avatar
  176. # [23:50] <MichaelMH> oh my god...
  177. # [23:51] <MichaelMH> I've always questioned that trailing slash
  178. # [23:53] <Dashiva> Some clients assign random colors to each nick to separate them, but it might get too intense
  179. # [23:54] <MichaelMH> X-Chat Aqua does that
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  181. # [23:57] <MichaelMH> yo... this may be a stupid question but in html5 if you just wrote <div> and didn't have a </div> anywhere would it treat it as a void div.. or would it just not work
  182. # [23:58] <Philip`> It would work the same as in current HTML
  183. # [23:59] <Philip`> (The whole parsing algorithm is designed to be compatible with what browsers currently implement)
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