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  1. # Session Start: Sun May 20 00:00:00 2007
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  14. # [02:36] <jdandrea> Reality check Q - From Web Forms 2.0 section 2.3: "The size attribute of the input element is deprecated in favor of using CSS to specify the layout of the form." Thus, we should no longer expect to specify a text or password field width in (integer) number of characters, correct?
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  16. # [02:38] <Dashiva> Since very few inputs use monospaced fonts, you didn't really have that option ever
  17. # [02:40] <jdandrea> Granted.
  18. # [02:40] <jdandrea> Still, I'm just asking. ;)
  19. # [02:40] <Dashiva> I suppose that's still legal :)
  20. # [02:40] <jdandrea> k
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  27. # [03:33] * jdandrea cheers - the Google Search Appliance multifunction stylesheet now outputs (currently) conformant HTML5.
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  38. # [09:22] <mpt> Dashiva, I thought about comparing XHTML2 to Ido or Interlingua, but Esperanto is really quite close
  39. # [09:23] <mpt> Well-known but hardly-used, impractically different from English, but (with the retention of <h1>, <img>, etc) still not as "pure" as it could be (which is why Ido exists)
  40. # [09:31] <mpt> The "L" in "HTML" has sociolinguistic effects, just as the "H" has game-theory effects
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  58. # [13:09] * met_ is not sure if http://blog.whatwg.org/feed-autodiscovery#comment-4244 is spam or not
  59. # [13:13] <Philip`> Looks like #3564 is, since it's repeating someone else's message
  60. # [13:13] * Philip` can't tell with 4244
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  64. # [13:57] <Dashiva> Any URL with "shop" in it is suspect if you ask me
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  66. # [14:00] <gsnedders> how many implementations actually accept @rel=feed already?
  67. # [14:02] <Philip`> Could just get rid of URLs entirely in the blog - I've never been sure what they're useful for, except as advertisements for people's own sites
  68. # [14:03] <Philip`> (since if you want to find out more information about a commenter, you can just put their name into a search engine)
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  73. # [14:48] <Lachy> I deleted the comment as spam. I've decided that if there's even a hint that it's spam, it probably is
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  80. # [15:19] <annevk> http://annevankesteren.nl/2007/05/wasting-resources#comments :)
  81. # [15:20] <zcorpan_> yeah, saw that
  82. # [15:23] <zcorpan_> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.html/browse_thread/thread/1fc66d394118dddf/2b4ee55d7e6e635d?lnk=st&rnum=1&hl=en#2b4ee55d7e6e635d
  83. # [15:24] <annevk> How is <span class="italic"> better than <i>
  84. # [15:25] <annevk> <shipname> _may_ be better than <i> but nobody will use it
  85. # [15:26] <annevk> To keep HTML easy to use we need something like <i>. Otherwise people will use <span class="italic"> which doesn't help processing tools or bandwidth usage
  86. # [15:42] <annevk> "Unless other specified, if a DOM attribute that is a signed numberic type is assigned a negative value, a NOT_SUPPORTED_ERR exception must be raised." Shouldn't that be "unsigned numeric" and maybe INDEX_SIZE_ERR ...
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  89. # [15:45] * Philip` thinks it should be "Unless otherwise specified" too
  90. # [15:47] <Philip`> With "Infinity or Not-a-Number", is it necessary to mention negative Infinity too? (or maybe say "non-finite" to cover all those cases)
  91. # [15:49] <annevk> negative infinity is important for the signed cases I suppose
  92. # [15:52] <annevk> Hopefully at some point someone gets around to writing the spec for ES <> DOM: http://esw.w3.org/topic/ESBindingIssues
  93. # [15:53] <Philip`> I guess it also matters when you use Infinity or NaN or 1e10 where the IDL wants an int, since as far as JS is concerned it's all just numbers
  94. # [15:57] <Philip`> There's also ImageData with "a data attribute whose value is an integer array", where I have no idea what should happen with e.g. [null, "1", 2.5, 3e9]
  95. # [15:58] <annevk> the spec defines that
  96. # [15:59] <annevk> 3e9 > 255 -> WRONG_TYPE_ERR (or something)
  97. # [15:59] <annevk> I guess null becomes 0 and "1" becomes 1 and 2.5 becomes 3...
  98. # [16:00] <annevk> or maybe 2
  99. # [16:05] <Philip`> Would Math.pow(2,32)+128 get converted to an int before going through the 0<=x<=255 test?
  100. # [16:05] <Philip`> (At least Firefox and IE convert that value into 128 when they have to treat it as an int)
  101. # [16:06] <annevk> try it with [test()]
  102. # [16:06] <annevk> I think it would work...
  103. # [16:07] <jdandrea> Clarification Q: In HTML4, alt is optional for for the input element. In HTML 5, is it non-conforming for type="text"? (I see alt in Appendix A of Web Forms 2.0 but can't get it to pass in the conformance checker.)
  104. # [16:07] <jdandrea> s/for for/for
  105. # [16:07] <annevk> jdandrea, yes
  106. # [16:07] <annevk> jdandrea, although are you sure about HTML4?
  107. # [16:08] <jdandrea> annevk: At first I was under the impression that alt was _not_ allowed for text fields in HTML4 ...
  108. # [16:08] <jdandrea> annevk: Perhaps I'm misreading this though - http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.html#adef-alt
  109. # [16:08] <jdandrea> "The alt attribute must be specified for the IMG and AREA elements. It is optional for the INPUT and APPLET elements."
  110. # [16:08] <annevk> alt= is only valid for input type=image
  111. # [16:09] <annevk> in HTML5
  112. # [16:09] <jdandrea> ok
  113. # [16:09] <annevk> and I think it's even required in that case
  114. # [16:14] <annevk> http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=189245 (people asking questions about features in HTML5)
  115. # [16:14] <annevk> (this one is about <meta name=dns> :) )
  116. # [16:17] <annevk> The problem people seem to have is the terminology
  117. # [16:20] <annevk> "host name" isn't exactly widely known
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