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  1. # Session Start: Sat May 26 00:00:00 2007
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:02] <hasather> done
  4. # [00:02] <hasather> thanks for the notice
  5. # [00:03] <Jero> thanks, your parsetree really is a useful tool for testing
  6. # [00:04] <hasather> not mine
  7. # [00:04] <hasather> James Graham made it
  8. # [00:04] <hasather> just hosting :)
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  12. # [00:18] <Jero> well, thanks for hosting then :)
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  17. # [00:54] <zcorpan> http://justinsomnia.org/2007/05/ivan-came-in-yesterday-wearing-a-totally-radical-webgeek-tshirt-from-a-list-apart-of-course-i-had/
  18. # [00:55] <zcorpan> (nowadays you almost don't need to follow links -- you can read the full story by just reading the URL)
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  20. # [00:57] <Dashiva> It's only missing "to update it: HTML5 fist"
  21. # [00:58] <Hixie> there's something fundamentally wrong about following links and finding they're only three clicks from my blog
  22. # [01:11] <zcorpan> wow, innerHTML in firefox is weird when you use a <meta charset=utf-8>
  23. # [01:11] <zcorpan> it adds a <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; ">
  24. # [01:11] <zcorpan> which is not present in the dom
  25. # [01:12] <zcorpan> or wait, it always adds that
  26. # [01:14] <Hixie> innerHTML on what?
  27. # [01:14] <zcorpan> on the root element
  28. # [01:15] <Hixie> ah
  29. # [01:15] <zcorpan> of any html document
  30. # [01:15] <Hixie> interesting
  31. # [01:15] <zcorpan> didn't do that before
  32. # [01:23] <zcorpan> http://www.webforum.nu/showthread.php?t=157133 -- showModalDialog. not sure what the use-case is here, he says he wants a window that is on top for some service while the user is browsing around
  33. # [01:24] <Hixie> yeah, we'll have to spec it
  34. # [01:24] <Hixie> too many people depend on it
  35. # [01:24] <Hixie> i have a folder for feedback on it
  36. # [01:24] <zcorpan> ok
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  56. # [03:54] <MikeSmith> what's VBScript?
  57. # [03:56] <mpt> Visual Basic script, supported in Internet Explorer but not other browsers
  58. # [03:56] <mpt> since ... IE3 or so
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  61. # [04:10] <MikeSmith> mpt - was just joking (regarding liorean's message to the whatwg list)
  62. # [04:11] <jruderman> heh, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41274 is still open
  63. # [04:14] <MikeSmith> something funny/sad/ironic - posting on IEMobile blog a while back in which Microsoft recommends against using VBScript -
  64. # [04:14] <MikeSmith> http://blogs.msdn.com/iemobile/archive/2006/12/18/why-doesn-t-adobe-flash-always-render-for-ie-mobile.aspx
  65. # [04:15] <MikeSmith> because IE Mobile doesn't support it
  66. # [04:16] <MikeSmith> jruderman - reminds me of when I was at Opera and the many helpful suggestions that all we needed to do was just suppert ActiveX and then all our interoperability problems would be solved
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  68. # [04:21] <jruderman> MikeSmith: afaict, they're not recommending switching from vbscript to javascript for the last bit of browser detection code, but adding yet another branch to the browser detection code to look for WINCE :(
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  70. # [04:23] <MikeSmith> yeah, but it's more fun to say, "Microsoft recommends against using VBScript" ... not technically precise maybe but not completely untrue
  71. # [04:24] <MikeSmith> but yeah, their "solution" suggested there hardly looks like fun either
  72. # [04:25] <MikeSmith> the real solution they should suggest is, We recommend you use a mobile browser other than IE Mobile
  73. # [04:27] <MikeSmith> and don't bother to develop sites with IE Mobile for users, because there are not sane people who use it
  74. # [04:27] <MikeSmith> or something like that ... they're free to tweak the wording of that as they see fit
  75. # [04:31] <zcorpan_> http://annevankesteren.nl/2007/05/wasting-resources#comment-6054 does someone understand what he means?
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  78. # [05:14] <mpt> MikeSmith, if that's a reason not to use VBScript, it's also a reason not to use <embed>
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  134. # [15:41] <annevk> http://www.flickr.com/photos/justinsomnia/513636061/
  135. # [15:42] <annevk> and http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/index.php/2007/html5-microformats-accessibility-testing/ says header= not headers=
  136. # [15:42] <annevk> lol
  137. # [15:42] <krijn> 'Goodbye headers, hello again <kbd> and <samp>'
  138. # [15:42] <krijn> Probably a typo
  139. # [15:44] <annevk> yeah, tutorials contain that typo too though
  140. # [15:44] <annevk> including examples cited on the web
  141. # [15:44] <krijn> Jup
  142. # [15:46] <annevk> "... there were other, more-immediate tasks at hand, ..., or emerging technologies like microformats"
  143. # [15:46] <annevk> and HTML5...
  144. # [15:46] <Philip`> Maybe UAs should accept both 'headers' and 'header' (while only the former is conforming)? :-)
  145. # [15:46] <krijn> Yeah, but split both documents ;)
  146. # [15:47] <Philip`> (The same could apply to <metre>)
  147. # [15:48] <annevk> <image>
  148. # [15:48] <krijn> Yeah, I was going to ask that
  149. # [15:48] <krijn> <image> is conforming?
  150. # [15:49] <zcorpan_> no
  151. # [15:49] <krijn> But supported by current UAs?
  152. # [15:49] <zcorpan_> yes
  153. # [15:49] <zcorpan_> ends up as img in the dom
  154. # [15:49] <krijn> Historical reasons or something?
  155. # [15:50] <zcorpan_> not sure why. html+ and html 3.0 had <image src>alt</image>
  156. # [15:51] <zcorpan_> annevk: opera converts <image> to <img> in xml too
  157. # [15:53] <annevk> cool
  158. # [15:53] <zcorpan_> not cool
  159. # [15:53] <zcorpan_> :)
  160. # [15:56] <zcorpan_> you have a bug on that?
  161. # [15:59] <annevk> we once had this tagline: "Opera: the rebel browser"
  162. # [15:59] <annevk> also printed on a t-shirt, with the face of Che Guevara...
  163. # [16:00] <annevk> don't think so
  164. # [16:01] <zcorpan_> ok
  165. # [16:02] <annevk> got to go
  166. # [16:03] <zcorpan_> cya
  167. # [16:07] <zcorpan_> #266615
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  173. # [17:10] <zcorpan_> http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/05/support-for-html-video-element-in.html
  174. # [17:15] <Jero> cool
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  213. # [23:45] * annevk wonders why some people have so much bias: http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/index.php/2007/html5-microformats-accessibility-testing/
  214. # [23:45] <annevk> It's not like we're actively trying to be evil, right?
  215. # [23:46] <Dashiva> Or maybe that's what Hixie wants us to think
  216. # [23:47] <annevk> I guess some of the e-mails on public-html might have had the wrong tone
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