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  1. # Session Start: Wed Jun 13 00:00:00 2007
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  3. # [00:06] <Dashiva> IE is fairly different in attribute DOM
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  5. # [00:07] <Dashiva> You probably want .specified, if you're trying to make something work
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  8. # [00:16] <zcorpan_> yeah
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  21. # [01:35] <zcorpan_> <a href> <area href> <input src> <iframe src> <img src>
  22. # [01:35] <zcorpan_> those attributes are dropped in ie7 when using empty attribute syntax
  23. # [01:42] <zcorpan_> firefox doesn't drop any attributes
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  25. # [01:45] <zcorpan_> opera drops many attributes
  26. # [01:52] <zcorpan_> http://simon.html5.org/test/html/parsing/empty-attribute-syntax/ (the tests take a while to run... and 001.htm doesn't work in opera)
  27. # [02:09] <Dashiva> You really should stagger that script :)
  28. # [02:11] <zcorpan_> stagger?
  29. # [02:11] <Dashiva> setTimeout or setInterval so it doesn't run too long at a time
  30. # [02:11] <zcorpan_> why?
  31. # [02:13] <Dashiva> It's giving me the "heavy script" dialog, that's typically a bad sign
  32. # [02:13] <zcorpan_> so? just press "continue"
  33. # [02:13] <zcorpan_> it's a test case
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  35. # [02:16] <Hixie> note that that dialog means that your test can't be automated
  36. # [02:16] <Dashiva> And that it impedes the tester's ability to multitask while the test runs :)
  37. # [02:16] <zcorpan_> what does that mean? that the results are not reliable?
  38. # [02:17] <othermaciej> it's harder to put things that use dialogs into automated regression testing frameworks
  39. # [02:17] <zcorpan_> aha
  40. # [02:17] <zcorpan_> ok
  41. # [02:17] <zcorpan_> well i've got the results already
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  46. # [02:31] <zcorpan_> sent results to the list, although i haven't suggested any change of the spec
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  49. # [02:40] <Dashiva> I've refined the test a bit, getting some different results
  50. # [02:42] <Dashiva> Guessing we're only interested in attributes that don't drop in both cases?
  51. # [02:43] <zcorpan_> indeed
  52. # [02:44] <Dashiva> As far as I can see, opera only drops event handlers
  53. # [02:44] <Dashiva> Oh wait, wrong opera
  54. # [02:45] <Dashiva> annevk: I need you :)
  55. # [02:45] <zcorpan_> <a =="">
  56. # [02:47] <zcorpan_> interesting case
  57. # [02:47] <zcorpan_> opera and firefox drop the attribute
  58. # [02:48] <zcorpan_> in ie the attribute name is the empty string and the value is =""
  59. # [02:49] <zcorpan_> html5 says it should have the attribute name = and the value being the empty string
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  74. # [04:30] <zcorpan_> http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Axml5.googlecode.com%2Fsvn%2Ftrunk%2Fspecification%2FOverview.html -- google thinks that text/plain document is text/html (check the cached version)
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  78. # [06:27] <zcorpan_> ok, a new XP account makes safari work...
  79. # [06:27] <othermaciej> zcorpan_: are you trying Safari for windows?
  80. # [06:27] <zcorpan_> yeah
  81. # [06:28] <othermaciej> zcorpan_: if you hit any bugs please report them - we're trying to flush out the top critical issues now that it is getting broader testing
  82. # [06:28] <zcorpan_> it seems that for a number of people it crashes on startup
  83. # [06:28] <zcorpan_> including me
  84. # [06:28] <zcorpan_> but creating a new XP account makes it work
  85. # [06:28] <zcorpan_> for that account
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  87. # [06:29] <othermaciej> zcorpan_: does your user account have a non-ASCII character in the username?
  88. # [06:29] <zcorpan_> ah
  89. # [06:29] <zcorpan_> yes
  90. # [06:29] <zcorpan_> Ä
  91. # [06:29] <othermaciej> zcorpan_: I think that's one of the known issues
  92. # [06:29] <zcorpan_> ok
  93. # [06:29] <othermaciej> we're definitely all over that one
  94. # [06:29] <othermaciej> thanks for confirmation!
  95. # [06:29] <zcorpan_> np
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  98. # [06:47] <zcorpan_> othermaciej: <h1>-<h6> elements don't get their text content rendered
  99. # [06:47] <othermaciej> zcorpan_: hmm...
  100. # [06:47] <zcorpan_> othermaciej: it's there in the dom and e.g. an <input> element gets rendered
  101. # [06:47] <othermaciej> zcorpan_: can you try <b>?
  102. # [06:47] <othermaciej> some people are seeing bugs with bold and italic not showing up
  103. # [06:47] <zcorpan_> tried <em>
  104. # [06:48] <zcorpan_> oh
  105. # [06:48] <zcorpan_> wait
  106. # [06:48] <zcorpan_> yeah, that's it
  107. # [06:49] <othermaciej> zcorpan_: I asked hyatt to come over here - would you mind helping him find out more details of your system configuration?
  108. # [06:49] <othermaciej> zcorpan_: we are trying to reproduce the problem
  109. # [06:49] <zcorpan_> sure
  110. # [06:49] <othermaciej> zcorpan_: or you could come to #webkit if you don't want to spam this channel
  111. # [06:49] <zcorpan_> sure
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  113. # [07:13] <annevk> ah, more people are awake this early :)
  114. # [07:13] <othermaciej> hi annevk!
  115. # [07:13] <annevk> morning
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  117. # [07:25] <hsivonen> morning
  118. # [07:27] <othermaciej> hello hsivonen
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  120. # [07:32] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: forgot to mention in the email that the TextEmittingErrorHandler is activated by appending &out=text to the request URI
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  122. # [07:32] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: and that it is intentional that it gives a Bad Request HTTP error if the doc= parameter is missing
  123. # [07:49] <MikeSmith> hsivonen - thanks
  124. # [07:49] <MikeSmith> 'nother question: What's your timetable like for adding XML/JSON support?
  125. # [07:54] <MikeSmith> and yet another: Wanted to ask what tools/mechanism you're using that allows you to get line numbers back in Schematron error messages
  126. # [08:05] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: no schedule for XML/JSON yet. XML is pretty much designed. JSON isn't.
  127. # [08:06] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: I'm using Jing with SAXON 6
  128. # [08:10] <MikeSmith> hsivonen - does Saxon rely on an extension function to get access to the line numbers?
  129. # [08:10] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: I think so, yes.
  130. # [08:10] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: IIRC, Jing has XSLT engine-specific code for that (for SAXON and Xalan)
  131. # [08:22] <MikeSmith> hsivonen - OK ... I need to read up on it more, I guess
  132. # [08:24] <MikeSmith> hsivonen - btw, I updated from your cvs and recompiled and have been trying &out=text with some URLs for non-conformant documents, but I just keep getting a zero-byte response
  133. # [08:24] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: that's because you haven't filled in the implementation, yet. ;-)
  134. # [08:25] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: see TextEmittingErrorHandler.java
  135. # [08:25] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: I just refactored to the point of making you a nice stub class
  136. # [08:25] <MikeSmith> ah, I see ... I've actually got to do some work ... damn
  137. # [08:29] <MikeSmith> OK, if/when I can manage to get it put together, I'll contribute it under the MIT license
  138. # [08:29] <hsivonen> MikeSmith: cool
  139. # [08:31] <annevk> Has someone figured out body.onload versus window.onload etc. already?
  140. # [08:31] <annevk> Or maybe just testcases?
  141. # [08:32] <othermaciej> annevk: we have test cases in the WebKit layout tests
  142. # [08:32] <othermaciej> we changed to mostly match how Firefox does it (which does not quite match either IE or Opera)
  143. # [08:33] <othermaciej> I have to go home now though
  144. # [08:33] <othermaciej> will be back online later
  145. # [08:39] <zcorpan_> annevk: iirc, in firefox, it does not fire on body and then bubble up to window... it's fired on window but magically works on body too or something
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  147. # [08:39] * annevk thought body.onload set window.onload
  148. # [08:40] <zcorpan_> yeah, that might be how it works
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  150. # [08:44] <annevk> but I'd actually like to know what Internet Explorer does
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  154. # [09:09] <annevk> zcorpan_, 9.2 has still all kinds of attribute quirks if I remember correctly
  155. # [09:10] <annevk> Kestrel is pretty close to HTML5 I think (minus some tokenization details)
  156. # [09:11] <zcorpan_> annevk: ok
  157. # [09:13] <hsivonen> annevk: Kestrel? Opera.next?
  158. # [09:13] <zcorpan_> opera 10
  159. # [09:14] <zcorpan_> annevk: how does it handle <a =="">?
  160. # [09:14] <zcorpan_> er, opera 9.5 i mean
  161. # [09:15] <zcorpan_> opera 10 is Peregrine
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  164. # [09:21] <annevk> I believe the official name of the next version of Opera is Kestrel
  165. # [09:21] <annevk> It was announced on some semi-official blog over a month ago or so
  166. # [09:22] <annevk> zcorpan_, dropped
  167. # [09:24] <annevk> <a "="test"> does "work"
  168. # [09:25] <annevk> Firefox drops that
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  172. # [09:28] <zcorpan_> annevk: ok
  173. # [09:30] * annevk isn't sure it's ok :)
  174. # [09:30] <zcorpan_> ie treats <a "="test"> as equivalent to <a ?="test">
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  180. # [09:56] <annevk> The news that Safari was released on Windows drove thousands of people to my site...
  181. # [09:56] <annevk> crazy
  182. # [09:56] <othermaciej> annevk: why your site?
  183. # [09:57] <othermaciej> did the announcement link to you?
  184. # [09:57] <Fuzzy76> I'm guessing the number would've been more than thousands if that was the case :)
  185. # [09:58] <annevk> othermaciej, google searches for "safari on windows"
  186. # [09:58] * annevk has this post on Swift titled "Safari for Windows" in 2006
  187. # [09:59] <zcorpan_> annevankesteren.nl/2006/08/swift is the 10th result
  188. # [09:59] <othermaciej> heh
  189. # [10:08] <Jero> err, didn't Hixie meant </form> tags here instead of </font>? http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=883&to=884
  190. # [10:11] <annevk> I think so
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  193. # [10:22] * hsivonen doesn't like "mobile context"
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  195. # [10:23] <annevk> Where's that from?
  196. # [10:24] <annevk> By the way, why does origin in HTML5 not talk about document.domain
  197. # [10:24] <hsivonen> annevk: that's part of the mobileOK and dotMOBI marketing speak
  198. # [10:25] <annevk> Does this mean you do like "mobileOk" and "dotMOBI"? :D
  199. # [10:25] <hsivonen> anecdotally, tech-savvy S60 browser users hate it when sites conclude that the client is in the "mobile context"
  200. # [10:25] <hsivonen> annevk: umm. no :-)
  201. # [10:25] <annevk> Opera Mini users too I think
  202. # [10:26] <hsivonen> btw, the whattf repo migrated to SVN. time to update scripts...
  203. # [10:29] <annevk> your own scripts?
  204. # [10:29] <hsivonen> yes
  205. # [10:29] <annevk> whattf.org needs an update anyway
  206. # [10:29] <hsivonen> well, fantasai's scripts too
  207. # [10:31] <annevk> why not make it a code.google or sf project?
  208. # [10:34] <hsivonen> 1) it was already at cvsdude and they took care of the migration without me having to figure it out (trading money for less worries), 2) Google wouldn't tell me their terms regarding the freedom to leave without me logging in first--not cool, 3) to avoid all the cruft on sf.net
  209. # [10:37] <annevk> re myself: "Note: The domain attribute is used to enable pages on different hosts of a domain to access each others' DOMs, though this is not yet defined by this specification."
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  218. # [11:38] <annevk> zcorpan_, what bug stops the attribute test from working?
  219. # [11:38] <annevk> zcorpan_, also, did you report it?
  220. # [11:40] * hsivonen starts writing Java test harnesses for the html5lib test data
  221. # [11:44] <hendry> hsivonen: do you have an opinion on java applets?
  222. # [11:48] <hsivonen> hendry: yes. I think Java applets are a failure. I have used the Web before applets were launched and so far I haven't seen an applet that 1) wouldn't be better in a standalone window (e.g. WebStart) OR 2) Wouldn't be better as JavaScript OR 3) wasn't useless
  223. # [11:49] <jruderman> "standalone window"?
  224. # [11:50] <hsivonen> jruderman: the useful applets that I've seen that didn't necessarily call for JavaScript didn't benefit from being embedded in a rectangle in HTML--on the contrary
  225. # [11:51] <jruderman> i don't see the connection between being used in the browser and being surrounded by other things
  226. # [11:52] <jruderman> java does suck as a plugin, but "it's usually surrounded by other stuff when it should be width=100% height=100%" is not one of the main reasons
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  228. # [11:53] <hendry> hsivonen: I have some requests for java in the webc distribution. I want to say no, though I feel I need some argumentation
  229. # [11:53] <hsivonen> jruderman: my point is that the stuff that is useful and makes sense as Java doesn't benefit from being inside the browser process
  230. # [11:54] * annevk wonders what makes sense as Java
  231. # [11:54] <jruderman> lol
  232. # [11:54] <hsivonen> annevk: prior to <canvas>, any complex educational interactive visualization
  233. # [11:55] <hsivonen> annevk: demo version of Opera Mini
  234. # [11:55] <jruderman> the benefit of being inside the browser process is that the user doesn't have to trust you or install stuff
  235. # [11:55] <hsivonen> jruderman: WebStart
  236. # [11:55] <annevk> hsivonen, ah, yeah, demoing Opera Mini makes some sense :)
  237. # [11:56] <hsivonen> the main problem is that Sun didn't come up with WebStart in 1995
  238. # [11:56] <othermaciej> jruderman: but then people make signed applets
  239. # [11:56] <othermaciej> which are a pox on all mankind
  240. # [11:56] <jruderman> othermaciej: true, but that's only some applets
  241. # [11:56] <zcorpan_> annevk: dunno. i didn't
  242. # [11:57] <hsivonen> hendry: why do you want to say no?
  243. # [11:57] * hsivonen wonders if Opera for Wii does Java
  244. # [11:58] <annevk> zcorpan_, what did you change?
  245. # [11:58] <zcorpan_> attributes[...].specified -> hasAttribute(...)
  246. # [11:59] <hendry> hsivonen: because I hate Java ;)
  247. # [11:59] <annevk> per http://gonintendo.com/?p=7849 it is not supported...
  248. # [11:59] <hendry> hsivonen: also it had 100+ megs to the distro
  249. # [11:59] <hendry> (i think)
  250. # [12:00] <hendry> i just generally feel Java shouldn't be on the Web
  251. # [12:00] <hendry> but I might be wrong
  252. # [12:00] <hsivonen> hendry: Java probably shoudn't be on the Web but it is pretty good at powering the Web on the server side
  253. # [12:01] <hendry> hsivonen: i'm fine with that
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  255. # [12:02] <zcorpan_> doesn't wiki use java to embed video?
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  257. # [12:02] <hsivonen> oh yeah, the Java Theora impl could count as useful. but then again, I'd be OK with all non-ad videos having their own windows
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  265. # [12:40] <annevk> What would be a good name for a method that takes a media query and returns true for false depending on whether it's applicable?
  266. # [12:41] <annevk> testMedia(), matchMedia() ... ?
  267. # [12:48] <zcorpan_> currentMedia
  268. # [12:49] <annevk> That .type
  269. # [12:49] <annevk> That's*
  270. # [12:49] <zcorpan_> .type of what?
  271. # [12:51] <annevk> window.media.type
  272. # [12:51] <annevk> the other case is having something like window.media.matchMedia("screen and (min-width:300px)")
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  278. # [13:04] <zcorpan_> annevk: the snapshot feature in opera's developer console doesn't escape attribute values. e.g. & and " are not converted to entities
  279. # [13:14] <hsivonen> annevk: what's the purpose of html5lib sanitizer? is it for making html embedded in feeds safe for publishing at another domain?
  280. # [13:17] <annevk> I'm not responsible for it
  281. # [13:17] <annevk> for either of the things you guys mention :)
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  286. # [14:03] <Dashiva> annevk: around?
  287. # [14:13] <annevk> always
  288. # [14:26] <annevk> these mobile people are knowingly ruining application/xhtml+xml
  289. # [14:26] <annevk> ouch :(
  290. # [14:26] <annevk> all good reasons for XML5 I suppose...
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  299. # [15:27] <annevk> It would be nice if people could come up with actual arguments against a feature instead of "it would make me feel better"
  300. # [15:28] <Fuzzy76> I thought making people feel better was the main goal of HTML5? ;)
  301. # [15:29] <annevk> The question is of course that if we do what he asks for if he actually feels better in the long run
  302. # [15:29] <annevk> I'm not so sure about that
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  304. # [15:31] <annevk> (We also can't satisfy everyone...)
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