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  57. # [11:47] <hsivonen> could someone load http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C%21DOCTYPE%20html%3E%3Ctitle%3E%3C%21--%26amp%3B--%3E%3C/title%3E in IE and say what the value of the text node is?
  58. # [11:48] <hsivonen> (html5lib test cases disagree with the spec again)
  59. # [11:48] <hsivonen> (the test agrees with Gecko and WebKit. the spec agrees with Opera)
  60. # [11:59] <hsivonen> I was told on another channel that IE7 is too weird for the test to work
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  62. # [12:08] <krijnh> hsivonen: there isn't a text node
  63. # [12:08] <krijnh> #comment: CTYPE ht
  64. # [12:12] <hsivonen> krijnh: thanks.
  65. # [12:13] <krijnh> I figured you already knew :)
  66. # [12:14] <hsivonen> http://hsivonen.iki.fi/test/entity-in-escaped-title.html is suitable for testing IE. I was told on another channel that IE agrees with Firefox and Safari on what the title string is
  67. # [12:15] <krijnh> Yep
  68. # [12:15] <krijnh> Only Opera shows <!--&-->
  69. # [12:15] <krijnh> IE6 en 7 show <!--&amp;-->
  70. # [12:15] <hsivonen> I reported this as a spec bug
  71. # [12:16] <krijnh> Yeah, we need more mails on the list :))
  72. # [12:17] <hsivonen> krijnh: hopefully mine was useful :-/
  73. # [12:18] <krijnh> I'm 423 hopefully useful mails behind
  74. # [12:24] <krijnh> hsivonen: You're working on this fulltime, right?
  75. # [12:25] <hsivonen> krijnh: yes.
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  82. # [13:45] <hsivonen> http://www.w3.org/mid/11ff5c20707141026s7bcd4882t19e7c490528c4ca@mail.gmail.com
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  92. # [15:54] <krijnh> hsivonen: what accept header does your validator use?
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  94. # [15:55] <krijnh> 'IO Error: HTTP resource not retrievable.'
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  98. # [16:22] <duryodhan> hey I am a noob to whatwg, am interesting web forms 2.0 and what it has to offer etc. , where should I start reading? (really don't think the actual spec would be a good place)
  99. # [16:22] <duryodhan> The wiki is stunningly lacking of content
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  101. # [16:31] <krijnh> duryodhan: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/improve-your-forms-using-html5/ or something?
  102. # [16:31] <krijnh> And I think the spec is a good place :)
  103. # [16:31] <Philip`> duryodhan: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/html5/html4-differences/Overview.html?content-type=text/html briefly mentions some of the new bits from WF2
  104. # [16:33] <Philip`> (but only very briefly, so that's probably not very interesting)
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  106. # [16:39] <zcorpan_> http://www.seedit.info/ mac editor with (x)html5 support
  107. # [16:40] <zcorpan_> "the Check Server Document Tool now is using a (X)HTML5 conformance online checking tool."
  108. # [16:40] * zcorpan_ ponders
  109. # [16:40] <zcorpan_> hsivonen: anything you know about?
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  111. # [17:01] <duryodhan> thanks all ( was out for sometime_
  112. # [17:04] <hsivonen> zcorpan_: no, not something I know about
  113. # [17:05] <zcorpan_> duryodhan: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#introduction0
  114. # [17:06] <zcorpan_> hsivonen: seems it can check uploaded documents
  115. # [17:07] <hsivonen> zcorpan_: so the editor uploads the doc somewhere? where does it upload?
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  117. # [17:09] <zcorpan_> hsivonen: to your own server. you first upload the document with its ftp client then you can check conformance. i think.
  118. # [17:09] <hsivonen> zcorpan_: ok
  119. # [17:12] <hsivonen> zcorpan_: I guess I should consider this as an indicator that there'd be demand for a Web service interface
  120. # [17:13] <zcorpan_> hsivonen: yep
  121. # [17:14] <zcorpan_> it seems xhtml5 pages are saved with the .html file extension by default. but the save as drop down includes .xhtml
  122. # [17:17] <zcorpan_> or default is extensionless apparently
  123. # [17:19] <hsivonen> anyway, pretty cool that the service is getting usage. thanks for letting me know
  124. # [17:19] <duryodhan> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/ isn't loading for me :( ... any other place where I could get it (maybe the multisection page)
  125. # [17:21] <Philip`> duryodhan: There isn't a multipage version of the WF2 spec
  126. # [17:21] <Philip`> The normal one seems to load fine for me, though
  127. # [17:21] <duryodhan> damn .. I was wondering why I couldn't find it in google
  128. # [17:21] <duryodhan> whats the actual page name it is index.html or php ?
  129. # [17:22] <zcorpan_> duryodhan: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/html5/web-forms-2/Overview.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#introduction0
  130. # [17:22] <duryodhan> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/index.html is giving me page not found (your site's page not found , not some firefox error couldn't connect etc. )
  131. # [17:23] <duryodhan> zcorpan_: thanks
  132. # [17:23] <zcorpan_> duryodhan: it's "index"
  133. # [17:23] <zcorpan_> duryodhan: no extension
  134. # [17:23] <duryodhan> yeah that worked for me again thanks zcorpan_
  135. # [17:24] <zcorpan_> np
  136. # [17:24] <duryodhan> hmm wonder why didn't work for me .. you might wanna check that out ...
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  141. # [17:55] <duryodhan> A free-form text field, nominally free of line breaks. whats that supposed to mean? In name only free of line breaks?
  142. # [17:57] <zcorpan_> a text field in which you can't enter line breaks (as opposed to <textarea>, in which you can enter line breaks)
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  144. # [18:03] <duryodhan> yeah that I realised ... but why the nominally ...
  145. # [18:03] <duryodhan> "in name only" free of line breaks ... that doesn't make sense much ..
  146. # [18:04] <duryodhan> maybe it is cos the POST data can be sent for a line input with new lines in it ...
  147. # [18:10] <Philip`> <input value="a&#10;b">
  148. # [18:11] <Philip`> might be relevant there
  149. # [18:12] <zcorpan_> i guess nothing is done to actually prevent line breaks
  150. # [18:12] <zcorpan_> except the UAs user interface
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  157. # [18:32] <hsivonen> hmm. DOM Level 3 added stuff to the Java interfaces
  158. # [18:32] <zcorpan_> http://simon.html5.org/test/html/dom/reflecting/ 42 tests
  159. # [18:32] <hsivonen> I guess it isn't pretty when you try to load Level 2 impl classes with a JDK that ships Level 3 interfaces...
  160. # [18:33] <hsivonen> I think I'm gonna stick the form pointer into Level 3 user data
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  167. # [19:04] <BenWard> ftp://bicyclenail-lm.london.corp.yahoo.com
  168. # [19:05] <BenWard> SOrry
  169. # [19:05] <BenWard> Wrong channel :(
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  199. # [23:16] <hsivonen> krijnh: the validator uses various Accept headers depending on what it is retrieving and in what mode
  200. # [23:18] <hsivonen> krijnh: the types that can be in the accept header are application/relax-ng-compact-syntax, text/html; q=0.9, application/xhtml+xml, application/xml, image/svg+xml, application/docbook+xml, text/xml; q=0.3, */*; q=0.1
  201. # [23:19] <hsivonen> krijnh: they aren't all there all the time. which ones are at what time hopefully happens pretty much as you'd expect
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