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  1. # Session Start: Fri Jul 27 00:00:00 2007
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:02] <gavin> the discussion about smellovision was clearly tongue-in-cheek, I don't understand why people are taking such offense to it
  4. # [00:03] <gavin> it seems to me like it's being blown way out of proportion
  5. # [00:05] <Philip`> It was also more like half a dozen comments than an actual discussion
  6. # [00:07] <Philip`> krijnh: By the way, http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/ seems to be getting significantly slower than it used to be - is it reading through the entire chat and search history every time it generates that page or something? (and would it be feasible to make it speedier somehow?)
  7. # [00:08] <Lachy> woah! http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2007JulSep/0010.html
  8. # [00:10] <zcorpan> yeah, JERK!
  9. # [00:10] <Philip`> Isn't the whole point with disabilities that humans are not equal? (but should be given equal opportunities regardless of that (where 'should' is obviously limited by the cost of doing that))
  10. # [00:13] <Lachy> I'm just going to ignore them, it's not worth responding to such insults
  11. # [00:14] <Lachy> oh, he wrote a formal complaint to public-html
  12. # [00:15] <Philip`> Most of the comments are on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2007JulSep/
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  95. # [11:15] <krijnh> Philip`: Yeah, I'll fix it tomorrow, gonna split it up in /irc-logs/whatwg/2007, /irc-logs/whatwg/200706, et cetera
  96. # [11:15] <krijnh> On /irc-logs/ I'll only show the current month of the channels
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  100. # [11:46] <annevk> Hixie, why are the WHATWG archives private now? That should probably be undone
  101. # [11:46] <annevk> s/probably//
  102. # [12:44] <met_> http://the.taoofmac.com/space/blog/2007/07/26/2341
  103. # [12:46] <annevk> yet at least one graph library has been created with <canvas>
  104. # [12:48] <met_> annevk: yes, ii remember
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  107. # [12:49] <zcorpan> why can't i find and reply to my [whatwg] Color attributes message to whatwg? :|
  108. # [12:49] <annevk> you have deleted it?
  109. # [12:50] <met_> tihs http://solutoire.com/plotr/
  110. # [12:51] <annevk> I believe text drawing will be considered for some future version and maybe line styles too. Given the current number of interop issues however I would hope those are being fixed first
  111. # [12:53] <zcorpan> if someone here has it in his inbox, please reply to it saying that "transparent" is to be treated as a keyword, meaning transparent for backgrounds and borders, and black for text colors
  112. # [12:54] <annevk> I can resent it to you
  113. # [12:54] <annevk> done
  114. # [13:00] <zcorpan> thanks
  115. # [13:10] <annevk> in theory transparent would not be black btw...
  116. # [13:10] <annevk> seems WHATWG mailing list archives are completely changed...
  117. # [13:10] <annevk> [Whatwg] versus [whatwg]
  118. # [13:14] <zcorpan> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3Cstyle%3Ebody%20%7B%20color%3Ared%3B%20%7D%20font%20%7B%20color%3Atransparent%3B%20%7D%3C/style%3E%3Cfont%20color%3Dred%3Ex%3C/font%3E
  119. # [13:16] <annevk> well, CSS3 color:transparent
  120. # [13:16] <annevk> in CSS 2.1 it's not a valid keyword for color iirc
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  138. # [15:24] <zcorpan> http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2007/07/brrrrrr.html 5th paragraph
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  140. # [15:42] <annevk> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=371432
  141. # [15:42] <annevk> I'm not sure I like all the design choices though
  142. # [16:01] <zcorpan> i wonder about <meta http-equiv> and how it's to be processed per html5
  143. # [16:01] <zcorpan> afaik browsers support things like Refresh as real http headers too
  144. # [16:01] <zcorpan> and other headers work in <meta http-equiv> as if they were real headers
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  147. # [16:49] <zcorpan> shouldn't UAs be allowed to opt to not load the resource of an <object type data> if type is something the UA knows is unsupported?
  148. # [16:51] <annevk> I would prefer if it was required one way or the other
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