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  42. # [09:22] <hsivonen> I turned comments off on the feed autodiscovery entry on the blog because it attracts spam
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  52. # [11:33] <annevk> zcorpan_, I decided not to parse end tags in the same crazy way
  53. # [11:33] <annevk> zcorpan_, but more like how XML handles them
  54. # [11:34] <annevk> zcorpan_, I suppose XML5 will be backwards incompatible with XML 1.0, although in theory we could handle <:> maybe...
  55. # [11:37] <annevk> Philip`, fixed one of your bugs with entity handling (&lt;)
  56. # [11:42] <zcorpan_> annevk: how can it be more like XML when it is drocanian?
  57. # [11:43] <annevk> it's not draconian...
  58. # [11:44] <zcorpan_> 1.0
  59. # [11:44] <annevk> oh, more like what would be natural handling for end tags given the production for end tags in XML
  60. # [11:44] <zcorpan_> ah. ok
  61. # [11:46] <annevk> zcorpan_, you mentioned something about encoding problems yesterday?
  62. # [11:47] <zcorpan_> annevk: that was re http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070729#l-145
  63. # [11:47] <annevk> oh, too bad
  64. # [11:48] <annevk> I was hoping that would explain the mysterious failure messages on xml5/play
  65. # [12:09] <zcorpan_> why isn't <figure><object data=...>foo</object><legend>...</legend></figure> conforming?
  66. # [12:15] <zcorpan_> or actually... why are block-level children of object even allowed when child of figure
  67. # [12:17] <zcorpan_> aha. a <figure> doesn't always represent a paragraph
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  77. # [14:34] <zcorpan_> http://www.search-this.com/2007/07/30/html5-tables/
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  82. # [15:33] <annevk> hmm, you can never render tables in one pass
  83. # [15:35] <annevk> also, didn't <col> imply <colgroup> in HTML4 or is that just browsers?
  84. # [15:36] <Philip`> "The COLGROUP element ... Start tag: required, End tag: optional" - sounds like it's not meant to be implied
  85. # [15:39] <zcorpan_> just internet explorer, actually, iirc
  86. # [15:39] <zcorpan_> but that's not relevant, because <tbody> is also implied and it is not required
  87. # [15:41] <annevk> prolly makes sense to make it optional, yes
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  125. # [21:17] <zcorpan_> there is a Mobile Web Initiative Test Suites Working Group?
  126. # [21:18] <zcorpan_> isn't developing test suites pretty central for a WG?
  127. # [21:25] <zcorpan_> their tests use <![CDATA[... wonder what mobile browsers that don't use xml parsers do with that
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  141. # [22:22] <zcorpan_> how does one check the presence of a getter in JS?
  142. # [22:23] <zcorpan_> i.e. an Element.prototype.__defineGetter__()
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  145. # [22:31] <Philip`> __lookupGetter__?
  146. # [22:35] <zcorpan_> ah! cheers
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  148. # [22:39] <jgraham> Philip`: Do you have all your <canvas> tests somewhere?
  149. # [22:39] * jgraham wants to point out "tests available" as a feature of <canvas>
  150. # [22:40] <Philip`> http://canvex.lazyilluminati.com/tests/tests/ is the most recent online version
  151. # [22:41] <Philip`> (I have a few more I haven't got around to uploading yet)
  152. # [22:42] <Philip`> (Also, that particular page hits two CSS bugs in WebKit which is a bit irritating and I suppose I ought to work around that at some point)
  153. # [22:43] <jgraham> Thanks
  154. # [22:47] <zcorpan_> http://simon.html5.org/sandbox/js/elementtraversal.js
  155. # [22:50] <Philip`> Is it just me, or is <canvas> much more fun to use than SVG?
  156. # [22:50] <Philip`> I don't really know much about SVG since I've not used it much, but I've not used it much because it never looked like any fun :-)
  157. # [22:51] <zcorpan_> dunno, i have played very little with svg and practically nothing with canvas
  158. # [22:51] <jgraham> I know basically nothing about either SVG or <canvas>
  159. # [22:52] <jgraham> But it's pretty clear that <canvas> should be in the HTML 5 spec because it's not going away
  160. # [22:52] <jgraham> and it's a simpler solution to a narrower problem than SVG
  161. # [22:53] <zcorpan_> who can find bugs in my ElementTraversal implementation? :)
  162. # [22:55] <Philip`> The if in "if (e) { while (e) { ... } }" is redundant
  163. # [22:55] <zcorpan_> ha, indeed
  164. # [22:56] <zcorpan_> fixed
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  168. # [23:04] <Philip`> zcorpan_: Is that script meant to work if the UA already implements firstElementChild/etc?
  169. # [23:05] <zcorpan_> Philip`: the intent is that if the UA already has implemented it then the script is ignored
  170. # [23:12] <Philip`> Ah, I didn't know FF returned stuff from __lookupGetter__ on native properties
  171. # [23:12] <Philip`> (Does anything else implement __lookupGetter__ at all?)
  172. # [23:12] <Philip`> "For the purpose of ElementTraversal, an entity reference node which represents an element must be treated as an element node." - your code doesn't do that
  173. # [23:13] <zcorpan_> indeed
  174. # [23:13] <Philip`> (as far as I can tell)
  175. # [23:14] <zcorpan_> mozilla doesn't put entity reference nodes in the dom though
  176. # [23:14] <zcorpan_> perhaps you can insert them manually
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  179. # [23:20] <Philip`> Setting things like e.childElementCount=1 isn't handled the same as other settings of readonly properties
  180. # [23:20] * Philip` doesn't see any more serious issues
  181. # [23:21] <Philip`> (That is, any issues which are more serious; not any more issues which are serious)
  182. # [23:23] <othermaciej> I know a lot about both <canvas> and SVG
  183. # [23:23] <othermaciej> and I think they are both kinda neat
  184. # [23:23] <othermaciej> there is a big overlapping range of use cases, as well as some problems where one or the other is much better suited
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  187. # [23:37] <jgraham> othermaciej++ (re: public-html)
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