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  1. # Session Start: Fri Aug 03 00:00:00 2007
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:01] <kingryan> a question about the html5lib test suite:
  4. # [00:02] <kingryan> anyone know what state the tokenizer should be in after the '2' in "<x x=1 x=2 X=3>" ?
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  6. # [00:07] <Philip`> Just after the 2 it's still in the attribute value (unquoted) state, I think
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  11. # [00:45] <kingryan> Philip`: yeah, you're right. I was looking for the wrong thing, though. :(
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  14. # [01:05] <kingryan> anyone know if there's a way to browse the SVN changesets on code.google.com ?
  15. # [01:06] <takkaria> nope, there isn't
  16. # [01:06] <takkaria> the best you'll do is getting a local GUI client and browsing that logs/changes that way
  17. # [01:09] <kingryan> I have an email mailbox that contains most of them. that works alright for me
  18. # [01:09] <kingryan> but I wish there were something better
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  21. # [01:16] <Philip`> You can use svnsync to replicate the repository onto your own machine, then run a local web server with ViewSVN or Trac or something
  22. # [01:23] <kingryan> hmm, that sounds useful
  23. # [01:25] <takkaria> IIRC google have said they'll do something about it in an unspecified amount of time
  24. # [01:26] * Philip` already has some other copy of Trac so he might see if it's trivial to do an html5lib one, since it's a reasonably nice source browser...
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  34. # [02:32] <Philip`> Oh, good, it is easy to set up
  35. # [02:32] <Philip`> http://canvex.lazyilluminati.com/html5lib/
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  37. # [02:37] <kingryan> nice, Philip`
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  40. # [03:01] <welly> is the faq response to "when will html 5 be finished" a joke?
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  42. # [03:09] <Philip`> welly: No - it just has a more complete meaning of "finished", like requiring there to be multiple correct implementations of the whole specification before it's considered finished
  43. # [03:10] <Philip`> The writing of the specification will be finished much sooner, and implementations of some features are already available and usable
  44. # [03:10] <welly> Philip`: so in 15 years time, html 5 will be a complete specification? I can't help but think the internet moves on a little bit quicker than that
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  46. # [03:11] <welly> i can't even imagine what kind of technology or standards we're going to be using in 15 years time
  47. # [03:12] <Philip`> HTML4 is almost ten years old already, and not that much has changed since then
  48. # [03:13] <welly> it seems like an interesting project but wow.. lol... 15 years. no, you're right but all the same.
  49. # [03:13] <Philip`> (HTML4 and CSS2 (I think) wouldn't be considered finished yet, if they used the same criteria as HTML5)
  50. # [03:13] <welly> ok
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  52. # [03:14] <welly> what's the likelyhood of html being taken up and implemented by the browser developers?
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  54. # [03:15] <welly> er html 5
  55. # [03:15] <Philip`> Some parts have already been implemented - http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Implementations_in_Web_browsers
  56. # [03:16] <welly> ahh ok.. well that's promising
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  95. # [10:04] <Lachy_> My presentation went well this morning :-)
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  102. # [11:20] <ROBOd> hey guys
  103. # [11:22] <ROBOd> is it a problem if i sent two emails about the HTML 5 spec to www-html and not to public-html? i sent two emails yesterday by mistake to www-html. i forgot of public-html, eh
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  107. # [11:35] <annevk> you could provide a pointer to your e-mails on www-html in your e-mail to public-html
  108. # [11:37] <ROBOd> annevk: eh, two mailing lists with almost the same name. i think should unsubscribe from www-html, just for avoiding these situations
  109. # [11:38] <annevk> that's what I did, though for different reasons
  110. # [11:39] <ROBOd> should i resend the two emails to public-html? or just a pointer?
  111. # [11:41] <annevk> whatever suits you
  112. # [11:42] <hsivonen> ROBOd: I unsubscribed from www-html after I ended up sending email to public-html when public-html was in recess.
  113. # [11:43] <hsivonen> ROBOd: also, www-html is more or less in /dev/null mode as far as actually getting yourself heard goes
  114. # [11:43] <ROBOd> hsivonen: yeah, too much confusion
  115. # [11:43] <ROBOd> hsivonen: precisely. i only got one reply :P
  116. # [11:43] <annevk> I believe Hixie still reads it
  117. # [11:47] <ROBOd> that's very nice, if Hixie still reads www-html
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  154. # [20:05] <G0k> hey all
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  156. # [20:05] <zcorpan_> hey G0k
  157. # [20:06] <G0k> i'm a little confused about the RemoteEventTarget interface in html 5
  158. # [20:06] <G0k> "Any object that implements the EventTarget interface must also implement the RemoteEventTarget interface."
  159. # [20:06] <zcorpan_> which part is confusing?
  160. # [20:07] <G0k> i mean is that really the same as saying that the EventTarget interface is being amended to include some new methods?
  161. # [20:08] <zcorpan_> not quite but i guess the end result would be pretty much the same
  162. # [20:12] <zcorpan_> the difference being that it would be one interface instead of two... you can check whether an object implements a certain interface and which members it has
  163. # [20:12] <G0k> right but if any object that implements EventTarget "MUST" also implement RemoteEventTarget....
  164. # [20:13] <G0k> i guess this allows you to detect legacy behavior better
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  166. # [20:14] <G0k> ok the other thing
  167. # [20:14] <G0k> "For connections to domains other than the document's domain, the semantics of the Access-Control HTTP header must be followed. [ACCESSCONTROL]"
  168. # [20:14] <G0k> [ACCESSCONTROL] seems to be a dead link?
  169. # [20:14] <zcorpan_> yes, refs haven't been written yet
  170. # [20:14] <G0k> heh. oki
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  172. # [20:16] <zcorpan_> http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/waf/access-control/Overview.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8
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  174. # [20:20] <G0k> ok there's one other part that has me slightly confused
  175. # [20:20] <G0k> "If the Namespace is null and the Event field is message (including if it was not specified explicitly), then the MessageEvent interface must be used.
  176. # [20:20] <G0k> Otherwise, the Event interface must be used."
  177. # [20:20] <G0k> so that would seem to suggest for instance, that if you got an event like
  178. # [20:20] <G0k> Event: foo
  179. # [20:20] <G0k> data: bar
  180. # [20:21] <G0k> it would create an Event event with type "foo", then ignore the data field, since data isn't a defined attribute for the Event interface
  181. # [20:23] <G0k> which isn't bad, it's just precisely the opposite of how Opera has implemented it
  182. # [20:23] <zcorpan_> it is?
  183. # [20:23] <G0k> well like...see their sample code http://labs.opera.com/news/2006/09/01/
  184. # [20:24] <G0k> they have it sendings stuff like
  185. # [20:24] <G0k> Event: the-answer
  186. # [20:24] <G0k> data: 42
  187. # [20:24] <G0k> in their implementation, it sets the data attribute on the event
  188. # [20:24] <G0k> but that's not technically what the spec says, as the Event interface has no data attribute
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  190. # [20:26] <G0k> for that matter, the pending patch for mozilla also implements it the other way
  191. # [20:26] <zcorpan_> hmm, might be a bug in the spec then
  192. # [20:28] <G0k> k. is there an issue tracker somewhere?
  193. # [20:28] <zcorpan_> no
  194. # [20:28] <G0k> should I use the forum?
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  196. # [20:29] <zcorpan_> it would be great if you could send it to the list directly
  197. # [20:29] <G0k> which? html-dev or whatwg?
  198. # [20:29] <zcorpan_> whatwg
  199. # [20:30] <G0k> k
  200. # [20:30] <zcorpan_> what is html-dev?
  201. # [20:30] <G0k> er i dunno the one w3c runs
  202. # [20:30] <zcorpan_> aha. public-html
  203. # [20:30] <G0k> that one
  204. # [20:31] <zcorpan_> if you're subscribed then you can send it to that list if you want. if you do, include "detailed review of" in the subject line
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  206. # [20:32] <G0k> k
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  210. # [20:55] <G0k> sent
  211. # [20:55] <zcorpan_> thanks
  212. # [20:55] <G0k> np
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  217. # [21:42] <annevk> it defaults to the MessageEvent actually, not Event
  218. # [21:42] <G0k> except if the Event: field is specified
  219. # [21:43] <G0k> (to something other than "message")
  220. # [21:43] <G0k> or at least that's what the spec seems to say right now
  221. # [21:44] <annevk> no
  222. # [21:44] <annevk> oh, maybe
  223. # [21:44] <G0k> "If the Namespace is null and the Event field is message (including if it was not specified explicitly), then the MessageEvent interface must be used.
  224. # [21:44] <G0k> Otherwise, the Event interface must be used."
  225. # [21:44] * annevk looks at the spec
  226. # [21:44] <annevk> that seems wrong
  227. # [21:45] <G0k> yeah :)
  228. # [21:45] <G0k> it should just say
  229. # [21:45] <G0k> "Otherwise, the MessageEvent interface must be used"
  230. # [21:46] <G0k> (imho)
  231. # [21:46] <annevk> yeah, that's what we do anyway and it's proven useful
  232. # [21:46] <G0k> yep
  233. # [21:46] <G0k> it's what i did in my webkit implementation too, then i just re-read that
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  235. # [21:49] <annevk> ah, you're implementing this in WebKit? awesome
  236. # [21:50] <G0k> yeah well...it's a little sketchy right now but with some work yeah it'll be cool. :)
  237. # [21:50] <annevk> :)
  238. # [21:50] <G0k> i'll be able to stream events to my iphone. :)
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  247. # [22:10] <annevk> html5lib is linked from dailypythonurl, whatever that is
  248. # [22:10] <annevk> http://www.pythonware.com/daily/
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  257. # [22:48] <Hixie> (yes i still read www-html)
  258. # [22:48] <Hixie> if anyone sees G0k again, let him know I agree with his proposal
  259. # [22:49] <Hixie> i'd mail him straight back but his mail is lost somewhere in my event-source feedback pile
  260. # [22:49] <zcorpan_> "Henry Mason" <hmason@mac.com>
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  267. # [23:13] <Hixie> thanks
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  273. # [23:30] <Jero> hey whats up
  274. # [23:31] <Jero> I was wondering when the WHATWG will start on the HTML5 spec again
  275. # [23:34] <zcorpan_> Jero: you mean when Hixie will start edit the spec again?
  276. # [23:35] <Jero> or that, yes
  277. # [23:35] <zcorpan_> well, he's back from his vacation now so i guess he just needs to get up to speed with all email
  278. # [23:36] <Jero> i see, thanks
  279. # [23:38] <zcorpan_> http://annevankesteren.nl/2007/07/web#comment-6176
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