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  1. # Session Start: Mon Oct 01 00:00:00 2007
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:10] * Philip` decides to do <header><span> and treat conformance as a guideline rather than a rule
  4. # [00:11] <Philip`> (I just hope it doesn't make things break confusingly in certain cases)
  5. # [00:12] <zcorpan> Philip`: why not <div class=header>?
  6. # [00:16] <jgraham> zcorpan: Well potentially he wants to make use of the header algorithm
  7. # [00:19] <Philip`> So that my site will work (or, at least, break more interestingly) when UAs start supporting HTML5 features
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  10. # [00:31] <zcorpan> hsivonen: <iframe> isn't a cdata element according to html4 (see message 4 in http://validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blogger.com )
  11. # [00:41] <zcorpan> (neither are title or textarea rcdata elements according to html4)
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  20. # [01:44] <zcorpan> hsivonen: your html5 schema doesn't seem to allow noscript in head
  21. # [01:44] * zcorpan notes that ebay uses <noscript><meta http-equiv=refresh
  22. # [01:53] <zcorpan> hsivonen: http://validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imageshack.us&showsource=yes -- the "Malformed byte sequence" error doesn't mark any source (and the link thus doesn't work)
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  24. # [01:55] <zcorpan> hsivonen: also for imageshack: "Error: First occurrence of id mist." (message #6) -- shouldn't that be Info instead of Error?
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  26. # [02:06] <Philip`> "Fatal Error: Last error required non-streamable recovery." doesn't sound like a very user-friendly message - I think it'd make more sense if it said something like "Fatal Error: Cannot recover after last error - any further errors will be ignored"
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  28. # [02:19] <zcorpan> hsivonen: the first message in http://validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wordpress.com&parser=html4tr&showsource=yes seems wrong
  29. # [02:26] <zcorpan> hsivonen: perhaps v.nu should know about html 4.0 doctypes. the xhtml 1.0 schemas are a better match than the html5 schema
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  64. # [10:00] <jgraham> bzed: I forgot that chardet got lost when I accidentially deleted my /bin directory and had to reinstall :)
  65. # [10:03] <bzed> :)
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  67. # [10:03] <bzed> I think I never run the test with chardet isntalled for 0.9 ;)
  68. # [10:04] <bzed> but now that I've added the tests to the build process it complained about it
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  70. # [10:10] <Steve_f> morning all, offtopic - can anybody tell me if events attached using addEventListener() or attachEvent() can be identified in the DOM?
  71. # [10:12] <jgraham> bzed: I think the new version I've uploaded fixed the issues you've reported
  72. # [10:15] <jgraham> s/fixed/fixes/
  73. # [10:22] <bzed> jgraham: same location?
  74. # [10:23] <jgraham> Yep
  75. # [10:23] * bzed checks
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  77. # [10:25] <bzed> jgraham: works fine, thanks :)
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  80. # [10:34] <othermaciej> Steve_f: not via the DOM API, no
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  83. # [10:48] <Steve_f> othermaciej: thanks
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  87. # [12:49] <hsivonen> zcorpan: Re: HTML 4.0 (not 4.01): Where should I draw the line with legacy? Validator.nu is a tool for authors. Why should it support a legacy doctype?
  88. # [12:50] * hsivonen views source on ln.hixie.ch
  89. # [12:53] <hsivonen> zcorpan: Re: first message on http://validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wordpress.com&parser=html4tr&showsource=yes : you chose the HTML 4.01 Transitional parser expectation. the doc had XHTML 1.0 Transitional. Hence, the error.
  90. # [12:59] <hsivonen> zcorpan: what do you suggest I do with the parsing of iframe, title and textarea in the HTML 4.01 mode?
  91. # [13:00] <hsivonen> the idea of the mode was to emit additional errors--not to actually give a different document tree
  92. # [13:00] <zcorpan> hsivonen: yes, i understand that there should be an error, but the message seems wrong. it says that the doctype was an *HTML* doctype, which it wasn't
  93. # [13:00] <zcorpan> hsivonen: oh, nm
  94. # [13:00] <zcorpan> hsivonen: missed the "not"
  95. # [13:01] <zcorpan> hsivonen: perhaps supress the errors about </foo in iframe, since iframes are supposed to allow "markup" in them
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  97. # [13:03] <hsivonen> zcorpan: I suppose that on some level that counts as helping authors...
  98. # [13:03] <hsivonen> I thought I had http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20070930#l-150 already covered
  99. # [13:04] * hsivonen looks
  100. # [13:05] <hsivonen> zcorpan: what do you suggest re: </ in title and textarea? same as iframe?
  101. # [13:06] <zcorpan> hsivonen: you can whine about </ in title and textarea since they aren't supposed to contain elements and can take entities
  102. # [13:06] <zcorpan> hsivonen: the w3 validator will also whine about <foo> in title and textarea, fwiw
  103. # [13:06] <hsivonen> zcorpan: ok
  104. # [13:21] <hsivonen> turns out I hadn't covered the boolean attributes in HTML4 case when parser is set to auto... only with an explicit parser choice
  105. # [13:26] <zcorpan> ok
  106. # [13:41] <hsivonen> zcorpan: fixes for HTML4 iframe *tokenization* and boolean attributes checked in
  107. # [13:41] <hsivonen> and deployed
  108. # [13:53] <hsivonen> zcorpan: fixed source hilite with http://validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imageshack.us&showsource=yes#cl18c27
  109. # [13:54] <hsivonen> zcorpan: thank you
  110. # [13:54] <hsivonen> zcorpan: (I can't give you an extract for that one, because the extract subsystem has not received decoded Unicode when the error fires on the byte layer)
  111. # [14:03] <zcorpan> hsivonen: ok, cool
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  123. # [15:59] <krijnh> What's considered better? alt="Logo Foo company" or alt="Foo company" ?
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  125. # [16:06] <zcorpan> krijnh: assuming the context to be the site logo in the page header, and assuming the image doesn't contain the word "Logo"; the latter
  126. # [16:06] <zcorpan> s/site logo/company logo/
  127. # [16:06] <krijnh> It's not the logo in the page header
  128. # [16:06] <krijnh> But a list of partner companies for example
  129. # [16:06] <zcorpan> ok, still the latter
  130. # [16:07] <zcorpan> what would you write if you used plain text links?
  131. # [16:07] <zcorpan> (or s/links//)
  132. # [16:07] <krijnh> They aren't links
  133. # [16:08] <zcorpan> what would you write if you used plain text?
  134. # [16:08] <krijnh> Just the company names
  135. # [16:08] <zcorpan> there you go
  136. # [16:08] <krijnh> So you're right :)
  137. # [16:08] <zcorpan> :)
  138. # [16:12] <krijnh> Doh, it's written in the HTML 5 draft
  139. # [16:12] <krijnh> Note to self; rtfm :)
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  153. # [18:24] <Philip`> jgraham: I expect html5lib-0.10.zip shouldn't have tests/testdata/tokenizer/consecutice.patch in it
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  157. # [18:45] <gsnedders> Philip`: what makes you think that? :P
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  159. # [18:53] <zcorpan> hsivonen: v.nu is getting really useful now :)
  160. # [18:54] <zcorpan> hsivonen: good work
  161. # [18:54] <hsivonen> zcorpan: thanks
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  179. # [20:49] <jgraham> OK, so maybe I just needed to reload. Thanks Philip`.
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  184. # [21:14] <Philip`> jgraham: I tend to do it by using 'svn export' to get a clean copy for packaging, because otherwise I worry I'll accidentally leave embarrassing files in the distribution :-)
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  187. # [21:36] <jgraham> Philip`: I know I ought to do that but never quite do
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