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  1. # Session Start: Sat Oct 13 00:00:00 2007
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
  3. # [00:03] <Vito`> ooh
  4. # [00:03] <Vito`> "Warning: Undefined behaviour for end tag section"
  5. # [00:03] <Vito`> didn't log the file for that one, darn
  6. # [00:03] <jgraham> Vito`: That's expected
  7. # [00:04] <Vito`> ah
  8. # [00:04] <jgraham> <section> is a new HTML 5 tag but its parsing isn't yet defined (we treat it like a generic unkown element). However you will sometimes find authors inventing tags in the wild
  9. # [00:05] <jgraham> So you could have encountered a rouge <section>
  10. # [00:05] <Vito`> I wonder what page that was. There were ~30 of them.
  11. # [00:05] <Hixie_> a red section? Is that, like, a porn site?
  12. # [00:06] <jgraham> Hixie_: ?
  13. # [00:06] <Vito`> rouge
  14. # [00:06] <hober> maybe you mean rogue, Vito`
  15. # [00:06] <jgraham> Sorry being slow
  16. # [00:07] <Hixie_> sorry :-)
  17. # [00:07] <jgraham> :-p
  18. # [00:08] <Vito`> I assume "Warning: Undefined behaviour for end tag header" is the same sort of thing?
  19. # [00:09] <jgraham> Uh hu.
  20. # [00:09] <Vito`> fascinating
  21. # [00:11] <jgraham> Hmm. Odd. html5lib is failing unit tests even without my change. This isn't supposed to happen :-|
  22. # [00:15] <jgraham> Maybe it's just kingryan's extra tests
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  93. # [00:25] <Philip`> Incidentally, RIP has slightly interesting error handling - it has a version field, and v1 of the spec defines draconian error handling for packets with version=1 (e.g. reserved fields must contain zero, else the data is rejected), but non-draconian handling if the packet has version >= 2
  94. # [00:25] <Hixie_> what's RIP? And is that actually implemented?
  95. # [00:26] <Hixie_> (and do people ever give a version field?)
  96. # [00:26] <Philip`> so v2 of the protocol can start using the reserved fields, being certain that v1 implementations won't be sneakily using those fields anyway, while still being backward-compatible with v1 implementations
  97. # [00:26] <Philip`> It's a routing protocol
  98. # [00:26] <Philip`> (RFC1058)
  99. # [00:26] <Hixie_> interesting
  100. # [00:26] <Hixie_> oh, that RIP
  101. # [00:27] <Hixie_> i shoulda recognised the name
  102. # [00:29] <Philip`> As far as I'm aware, people do actually use it (on very small networks, since it's very simple (which is why I've been looking at RIP and not at anything more interesting and complex :-) ))
  103. # [00:30] <Hixie_> :-)
  104. # [00:31] <Vito`> jgraham... I'm most of the way through this corpus now, and that assertion error and the unicode error are the only two unique failures I've seen
  105. # [00:31] <Philip`> (I think I'll end up having to work with BGP, which looks much scarier)
  106. # [00:32] <jgraham> Vito`: That sounds like it could be worse (did you get the message that I checked in a fix that I think helps with the assertion to trunk?)
  107. # [00:33] <Vito`> if it's in trunk I'll update and check the pages against it
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  109. # [00:37] <Vito`> also html5lib can't handle GIF files with inappropriate MIME types
  110. # [00:38] <Vito`> just... so you know
  111. # [00:38] <Philip`> Hmm, it worked fine when I passed a PDF through it once
  112. # [00:38] <Philip`> What kind of problem did you get?
  113. # [00:39] <Vito`> unicodedecodeerror
  114. # [00:40] <Philip`> Ah
  115. # [00:40] <Vito`> awesome
  116. # [00:40] <Vito`> recursion error
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  118. # [00:40] <Vito`> and it didn't log
  119. # [00:40] <Vito`> argh
  120. # [00:42] <jgraham> Vito`: I don't lnow what test data you're using but it clearly rocks :)
  121. # [00:43] <Vito`> it's just our group's cache of bookmarked sites, crawled over the past few years
  122. # [00:43] <kingryan> jgraham: yes, I've added some test which may break the python impl
  123. # [00:43] <kingryan> jgraham: in ruby it was mostly a matter of adding error messages to the parserError() calls
  124. # [00:43] <jgraham> kingryan: It mostly seems to be small things; I'm just working through it now
  125. # [00:44] <kingryan> cool
  126. # [00:44] <kingryan> I meant to write a note to the ML about it, but forgot
  127. # [00:45] <Vito`> jgraham... testing against your updated trunk now
  128. # [00:48] <Vito`> jgraham... looks good against a couple of the failing pages
  129. # [00:53] <Vito`> jgraham... I can't seem to mark you as owner of the unicode issue I just reported
  130. # [00:53] <jgraham> Vito`: Not to worry; I'll do it
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  137. # [01:54] <jgraham> Vito`: The page that failed for you with a decoding problem wfm with an encoding of SHIFT_JIS
  138. # [01:54] <jgraham> (i.e. html5lib autodetects that)
  139. # [01:55] <jgraham> all I see is a slightly odd unicode comparison warning
  140. # [01:55] <Vito`> why would it autodetect for you and not for me?
  141. # [01:55] <jgraham> Which python version are you using?
  142. # [01:55] <Vito`> looks like 2.4
  143. # [01:56] <jgraham> Hmm. I have chardet installed; that might affect the results
  144. # [01:57] <Vito`> I don't want to install something new in the middle of a test run
  145. # [01:58] <Vito`> but I'll try installing it when this batch is done
  146. # [01:58] <Vito`> is the other unicode error the same?
  147. # [01:59] <jgraham> I haven't looked at the BOM one
  148. # [02:10] <jgraham> Hmm. I don't think chardet is the issue
  149. # [02:10] <Hixie_> still 250 video e-mails to read, sheesh
  150. # [02:11] <Vito`> ugh, the recursion issue is with my code, not with html5lib
  151. # [02:16] <jgraham> Vito`: I see the UTF-16 issue. I should sleep now; hopefully I'll have some time tomorrow. The character encoding stuff actually needs to be updated to match the spec; I think that may help
  152. # [02:17] <Vito`> no rush
  153. # [02:17] <Vito`> posting another one
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  158. # [02:47] <Vito`> and that's it
  159. # [02:47] <Vito`> just those unicode errors now, out of 23k pages
  160. # [02:49] <Vito`> thanks all
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  182. # [08:20] <Hixie_> well y'all are very quiet tonight
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  189. # [11:46] <gsnedders> Hixie: OH, ARE WE? MAYBE I WAS ALSEEP WHEN YOU SAID THAT.
  190. # [11:46] <gsnedders> :)
  191. # [11:51] <jgraham> Ah, gsnedders, I see you've started to act your age ;)
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  193. # [11:51] <gsnedders> jgraham: :)
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  195. # [11:58] <gsnedders> jgraham: you mean I normally don't? ever looked at my blog? twitter? :P
  196. # [12:10] <jgraham> gsnedders: I say nothing :)
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  201. # [13:19] <heyadayo> hello
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  204. # [13:36] <Philip`> heyadayo: Good morning
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  214. # [15:16] * gsnedders wonders how markup an interview…
  215. # [15:16] <gsnedders> <dialog> is meant as a conversation, which the definition of which means that an interview is not a conversation
  216. # [15:16] <gsnedders> and it'd be better to have something that is valid HTML 4.01 Strict
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  223. # [16:40] <zcorpan> gsnedders: <dl>?
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  225. # [16:54] <gsnedders> zcorpan: that does't work under the html5 def as order is meaningful in an interview
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