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  44. # [03:17] <Hixie> Lachy: the whatwg blog seems to be the main user of CPU on whatwg.org -- any chance there's something simple we can do to use a cache or something?
  45. # [03:17] <Hixie> it's not a problem now, but if we ever get /.'ed or something, i'd like to be ready
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  88. # [09:36] <Lachy> Hixie, this has some instructions on how to improve WordPress performance http://elliottback.com/wp/archives/2007/04/15/why-my-wordpress-site-is-so-much-faster-than-yours/
  89. # [09:37] <Lachy> I'll set it up tonight when I get home
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  96. # [10:38] <Hixie> wow, tv and i agree on something :-)
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  105. # [11:11] <Philip`> Hmph, http://www.google.com/search?q=canvex+survey doesn't find my thing's front page any more
  106. # [11:12] <Philip`> Maybe I should use bookmarks rather than Google when I want to find bits of my own site
  107. # [11:12] <Hixie> heh
  108. # [11:15] <Philip`> (Also I should see if MySQL is fast enough at this kind of database, and then move it onto html5.org)
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  113. # [12:00] * gsnedders has barely any bookmarks at all
  114. # [12:00] <gsnedders> I just use Google for everything
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  118. # [12:40] <mpt> gsnedders, that happened to me in 2001 or so
  119. # [12:41] <mpt> and a feedreader has its eye on most of the rest
  120. # [12:41] <gsnedders> mpt: and now?
  121. # [12:41] <mpt> so all I'll end up with is bookmarklets
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  124. # [14:21] <hsivonen> should deprecated language tags be conforming? no?
  125. # [14:22] <zcorpan_> i'd say no
  126. # [14:26] <hsivonen> email time
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  128. # [14:28] <hsivonen> hmm. region subtag 001 seem really useful...
  129. # [14:45] <gsnedders> hsivonen: I'd say leave it up to the language tag spec whether it is conforming
  130. # [14:47] <hsivonen> gsnedders: "validating processors SHOULD NOT generate these subtags"
  131. # [14:47] <hsivonen> gsnedders: I take that as failing document conformance
  132. # [14:47] <gsnedders> hsivonen: I take that as needing a warning, not an outright failure
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  135. # [14:49] <hsivonen> gsnedders: I'd rather not do warnings with attribute datatypes
  136. # [14:50] <hsivonen> (the API doesn't allow it. I'd have to do the checking through a different API)
  137. # [14:52] <hsivonen> gsnedders: in general, I'd like to take SHOULD NOTs that are not subject to human-assessable context as conformance failures
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  168. # [22:26] * jgraham_ finds his first mail to the whatwg list on 2004-06-22
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  171. # [22:28] <jgraham_> Oddly enough I haven't changed my basic premise since that first message although I don't doubt I would try to disown many of the intermediate ones
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  173. # [22:36] <hsivonen> jgraham_: what's your basic premise?
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  178. # [23:04] <jgraham_> hsivonen: That solutions which respect backwards compatibility and have a clear path for adoption are superior to technically more advanced solutions which do not take market forces into account
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  180. # [23:16] <bewest> can anyone point me to anything that describes the ways the same origin policy interacts with the "browsing context" and what features of a document are defined by that context?
  181. # [23:17] <hsivonen> jgraham_: I agree with that premise
  182. # [23:19] <gsnedders> looks like I'm going to writing a UTF-16 decoder on the plane tomorrow.
  183. # [23:19] <jgraham_> gsnedders: Going anywhere nice?
  184. # [23:19] <kingryan> jgraham_, hsivonen: I agree as well.
  185. # [23:19] <gsnedders> jgraham_: Paris (so I get the fun of the public transport strike)
  186. # [23:19] <hober> yeah, that sounds right on
  187. # [23:20] <Philip`> gsnedders: Are you writing it on a basic multilingual plane?
  188. # [23:20] <jgraham_> I think it's pretty well accepted by WHATWG types
  189. # [23:20] <gsnedders> Philip`: no, the entire UTF-16 range
  190. # [23:20] <jgraham_> Philip`: That was shameful
  191. # [23:20] <gsnedders> (i.e., 0–10FFFF)
  192. # [23:21] <gsnedders> jgraham_: what was shameful?
  193. # [23:21] <jgraham_> I assume that was a joke
  194. # [23:21] <jgraham_> (writing it on a plane)
  195. # [23:21] <gsnedders> oh.
  196. # [23:21] <gsnedders> very funny.
  197. # [23:22] <gsnedders> </sarcasm>
  198. # [23:22] <kingryan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mapping_of_Unicode_characters#Basic_Multilingual_Plane
  199. # [23:22] <gsnedders> kingryan: I know what the BMP is
  200. # [23:22] <gsnedders> but I didn't get the terrible joke he was making about it
  201. # [23:22] <kingryan> "Unexpected end tag (sarcasm). Ignored"
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  203. # [23:23] <gsnedders> kingryan: I thought from the discussion on the mailing list a while ago there was a |sarcasm| element with optional start and end tags
  204. # [23:24] <Philip`> You need at least one tag, either start or end
  205. # [23:24] <jgraham_> Yeah, that sounds like a /great/ idea
  206. # [23:24] <Philip`> (This isn't SGML, so we can do that)
  207. # [23:24] <kingryan> why not have a sarcasm element with only an end tag
  208. # [23:25] <kingryan> and you have to infer the start tag
  209. # [23:25] <kingryan> ?
  210. # [23:25] <kingryan> coffee time, bbiab
  211. # [23:25] <Philip`> (and otherwise UAs like Google wouldn't be able to extract semantics reliably from sarcastic documents)
  212. # [23:25] <gsnedders> (but where does the tag start/end?)
  213. # [23:25] <gsnedders> s/tag/element/
  214. # [23:25] * gsnedders facebats self
  215. # [23:29] * jgraham_ discovers one of the character encoding issues in html5lib only occurs with python <= 2.4
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  217. # [23:36] <gsnedders> oh well, g'bye. see you either sometime soon if I can get online, or next Friday.
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