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  7. # [00:18] <annevk> hmm, seems wanadoo now actually works
  8. # [00:18] * annevk is happy
  9. # [00:19] <annevk> gsnedders, Zelda on the Wii and DS is great; dunno about other Zelda games
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  18. # [00:56] * jgraham_ would like a Wii + Zelda
  19. # [00:56] <jgraham_> But that's pretty far down the list of things that I would like
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  26. # [01:33] <annevk> so it still doesn't work...
  27. # [01:33] * annevk didn't get the messages from jgraham for instance
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  33. # [02:19] <aa> I had this idea for the database module ...
  34. # [02:20] <aa> the CRUD statements are pretty consistent across implementations, it should be easy, relatively speaking, to spec them, or refer to ANSI SQL.
  35. # [02:20] <aa> it's the creation of the tables and indicies where the real compatibility problems come in.
  36. # [02:21] <aa> what if HTML5 defined DOM APIs to create tables and indicies? This would also allow the types to be defined as standard DOM types, instead of SQL types.
  37. # [02:21] <aa> It would be up to the implementation to do the conversion to whatever it's internal representation is.
  38. # [02:21] <aa> this would provide a real shot at abstracting the implementation (sqlite) from the spec.
  39. # [02:25] <Hixie> sounds reasonable to me
  40. # [02:25] <Hixie> i recommend sending mail to the list suggesting it, let's see what the other vendors think
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  43. # [02:45] <Lachy_> Hey Hixie
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  46. # [03:00] <Hixie> hey
  47. # [03:01] <Hixie> Lachy_: whatever you did with the blog seems to have helped, "lhunt" is never at the top of the process list anymore
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  128. # [10:23] <Hixie> hmmm
  129. # [10:24] <Hixie> so an explicit database.startTransaction() seems to be the only way to address the issues raised with the sql stuff
  130. # [10:25] <Hixie> and splitting the load and error case into two seems good, and having error do a rollback seems good too, except for the point about checking for integrity errors...
  131. # [10:27] <Hixie> maybe rollback only if the function doesn't return false...
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  138. # [10:57] <Hixie> hmmm
  139. # [10:57] <Hixie> database.transaction(callback, error_callback);
  140. # [10:57] <Hixie> error_callback gets called if the transaction fails to be created or comitted (or maybe even if it is rolled back?)
  141. # [10:57] <Hixie> callback is a function with one argument, tx, which is an object with an executeSql() method on it
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  143. # [10:57] <Hixie> tx.executeSql(sql, args, callback, error_callback);
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  145. # [10:58] <Hixie> error_callback gets called for any errors with that statement (even syntax errors), and if it does not return false, the transaction gets rolled back.
  146. # [10:58] <Hixie> callback is the same as the transaction callback
  147. # [10:59] <Hixie> if transaction() is called from within a transaction, it create a new (but not nested) transaction.
  148. # [10:59] <Hixie> transactions commit whenever a callback returns if there are no outstanding calls to executeSql() for that transaction.
  149. # [11:00] <Hixie> but transactions get rolled back if a callback returns false
  150. # [11:01] <Hixie> there's no explicit commit or rollback in v1, but in v2 we add those as well as an executeRawSql(sql, args, callback, error_callback) method on database (whose callback doesn't have any arguments).
  151. # [11:01] <Hixie> any opinions?
  152. # [11:07] <Hixie> oh and changeVersion(old_version, new_version, callback, error_callback) would work like transaction() except that the transaction would be a complete lock and that the version would be checked at the start of the transaction and set when the transaction was comitted
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  155. # [11:24] <Lachy> Hixie, what will executeRawSql do differentfly from executeSql?
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  158. # [11:29] <Hixie> Lachy: no transaction
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  165. # [11:41] <hsivonen> btw, Java makes an interesting case study about strict backwards compat and fixing early design flaws and the rate of adoption
  166. # [11:42] <hsivonen> I just ran a search for references to StringBuffer and it is everywhere
  167. # [11:42] <hsivonen> new code should use StringBuilder
  168. # [11:42] <hsivonen> so the Java6 HotSpot VM takes lock removal to the VM at run time
  169. # [11:43] <hsivonen> so it can mitigate some of the damage of the bad design of StringBuffer
  170. # [11:50] <roc> they did that before StringBuilder was created
  171. # [11:50] <roc> at least some VMs did
  172. # [11:51] <hsivonen> roc: hmm. lock removal / thread-biased locks were mentioned as a Java6 HotSpot feature
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  174. # [11:52] <hsivonen> Hashtable and Vector are pretty pervasive, too
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  176. # [11:52] <hsivonen> which sucks considering that HashMap and ArrayList are even safe for concurrent reads
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  234. # [22:25] <jgraham_> Wow I managed to make a syntax error whilst complaining about a language for its syntax-error intolerance
  235. # [22:30] <hendry> hsivonen: just checking out http://packages.qa.debian.org/w/w3c-markup-validator.html
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  253. # [23:54] <Hixie> wow, with the amount of time the forms tf has spent discussing when to discuss things, you'd think they could have discussed things by now
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