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  1. # Session Start: Sat Oct 27 00:00:00 2007
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
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  6. # [00:31] <Hixie> i'm mildly amused at the e-mails to www-html-cg every few weeks where people express surprise that we're not hitting the htmlwg charter's timetable
  7. # [00:31] <Hixie> we're almost exactly on track with my original timetable
  8. # [00:32] <Dashiva> -cg?
  9. # [00:34] <Hixie> coordination group
  10. # [00:34] <Hixie> where wgs send their status e-mails
  11. # [00:35] <Dashiva> aha
  12. # [00:39] <Hixie> oh hey
  13. # [00:39] <Hixie> actually
  14. # [00:39] <Hixie> we're going to miss my first milestone
  15. # [00:39] <Hixie> crap
  16. # [00:39] <Hixie> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2006Nov/0045.html
  17. # [00:39] <Hixie> i guess i'd better publish a wd
  18. # [00:40] <Dashiva> Unilateral action? I smell a formal objection :P
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  20. # [00:41] <Hixie> oh not through the w3c
  21. # [00:41] <Hixie> that'd take weeks
  22. # [00:41] <Hixie> we have 5 days before we miss the deadline
  23. # [00:41] <Hixie> just on the whatwg site
  24. # [00:42] <Dashiva> That sounds more feasible
  25. # [00:43] <gsnedders> Hixie: :D
  26. # [00:43] <gsnedders> Hixie: though isn't that a charter for the W3C HTML WG?
  27. # [00:44] <Hixie> it's what i proposed as the timetable for the html5 work
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  30. # [00:45] <gsnedders> Hixie: can I raise a formal objection about the draft, though?
  31. # [00:45] <hsivonen> Hixie: seems to me that there's demand for an unofficial, open-source, ad hoc test suite already before 2011
  32. # [00:46] <gsnedders> Hixie: one minor irrelevant issue that is noted in the draft hasn't been fixed
  33. # [00:46] <Hixie> gsnedders: sure, but it won't make any difference to the whatwg, we don't have a formal objection process :-)
  34. # [00:47] <Hixie> hsivonen: hey if you want to do it quicker, be my guest :-D
  35. # [00:47] <Dashiva> The fo would be in the w3c, though, for willfully going outside standard procedure :P
  36. # [00:47] <Hixie> publishing drafts on the whatwg site is standard procedure for the whatwg :-D
  37. # [00:48] <Hixie> not my fault the w3c missed their self-set deadlines by months
  38. # [00:48] <Dashiva> The memo said doing anything outside the w3c was high treason
  39. # [00:48] <Hixie> oh i know i'm a traitor
  40. # [00:49] <gsnedders> Hixie: want the same punishment as some medieval traitors?
  41. # [00:49] <gsnedders> wait… we'll need a new editor then. damn.
  42. # [00:50] <Dashiva> I'm sure Google has an ample supply of clones
  43. # [00:50] <gsnedders> Dashiva: but in which datacentre?
  44. # [00:50] <Hixie> Dashiva: i wish
  45. # [00:51] <gsnedders> Dashiva: and why don't they make use of them?
  46. # [00:51] <gsnedders> Dashiva: we could have HTML 5 as a REC by the W3C timetable
  47. # [00:51] <Dashiva> They don't want to tip their hand, I suppose
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  51. # [01:29] <Hixie> is dave singer here, or anyone who has any opinion on the cue range idea?
  52. # [01:32] <Hixie> i have two problems
  53. # [01:32] <Hixie> i don't know how to port the "autopause at time" idea over to ranges
  54. # [01:32] <Hixie> and i don't know how to support the removal of ranges
  55. # [01:33] <Hixie> for the latter, i see four options:
  56. # [01:33] <Hixie> 1. require all four arguments to be passed again
  57. # [01:33] <Hixie> 2. return a handle when you add, and require the handle to remove
  58. # [01:33] <Hixie> 3. just have something that removes all ranges between two points on the timeline
  59. # [01:34] <Dashiva> If there's a iterator for all existing handles, 2. could be good
  60. # [01:34] <Hixie> 4. pass some identifier to the add method, and use that identifier (a "class name" for one or more ranges) to remove all ranges with that identifier
  61. # [01:34] <Hixie> adding an iterator seems harder than desired
  62. # [01:35] <Hixie> oh hey i know how to do the pausing thing. just pause at the start and end of a range
  63. # [01:35] <Hixie> when exiting
  64. # [01:36] <Hixie> 5. not have a way to remove handlers.
  65. # [01:36] <Hixie> 6. only have a way to remove all ranges
  66. # [01:37] <Dashiva> Well, I reckon the UA will need an internal list of handles anyhow. Exposing a .length and .item isn't that much more, is it?
  67. # [01:38] <Hixie> it's more than that
  68. # [01:38] <Hixie> you'd need to expose an object for each one, etc
  69. # [01:41] <Hixie> when would you remove cue ranges
  70. # [01:41] <Hixie> when changing media
  71. # [01:41] <Hixie> when switching in new subtitles
  72. # [01:41] <Hixie> anything else?
  73. # [01:43] <Hixie> i think i'm gonna go with 4.
  74. # [01:43] <Hixie> addCueRange() is gonna have a class name you can pass it
  75. # [01:43] <Hixie> and then you'll be able to remove all ranges with that class name
  76. # [01:43] <Hixie> that way you can add one set of ranges for ads, one for subtitles, one for lyrics, etc
  77. # [01:43] <Hixie> and switch them dynamically by just nuking the set you don't want
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  80. # [01:58] <jruderman> Hixie: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=401217
  81. # [02:00] <Hixie> yeah
  82. # [02:00] <Hixie> he raised the issue in public-html as well
  83. # [02:00] <Hixie> as far as i can tell he's wrong about the POST issue
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  85. # [02:00] <Hixie> turning the feature off would be a net loss for users, since it'll just mean authors continue using the tricks they use now, with the associated problems they have (which ping solves)
  86. # [02:03] <Hixie> commented
  87. # [02:06] <jruderman> thanks
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  92. # [02:50] <Hixie> hahaha!
  93. # [02:50] <Hixie> i did it!
  94. # [02:50] <Hixie> there are NO outstanding comments on sql, offline, or video! (not counting the codec issue)
  95. # [02:50] <Hixie> sweet
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  97. # [03:13] <Hixie> ok, we have a call for comments out:
  98. # [03:13] <Hixie> http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/2007-10-26/
  99. # [03:14] <Hixie> someone should feel free to write a whatwg blog entry about it if they feel up to it and care enough :-)
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  181. # [19:08] <zcorpan> Hixie: shouldn't the frozen copy have used <body class=cfc>? :)
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  184. # [19:16] <zcorpan> what's up with the orange background on normative text in the xhtml2 wg's specs?
  185. # [19:16] <zcorpan> it makes it really annoying to read
  186. # [19:18] <zcorpan> i also like "this example is informative", which makes one go "hmm, are there examples that are normative?"
  187. # [19:28] <gsnedders> More exam board fun: "<html>: Tag contains the entire document identifies the page as valid HTML"
  188. # [19:29] * gsnedders is almost glad he doesn't have to do that optional section, and can do another instead which is slightly less wrong
  189. # [19:31] <gsnedders> actually, not very much stuff that is wrong is taught in the multimedia section! yay!
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  194. # [19:59] <zcorpan> Hixie: done. http://blog.whatwg.org/html5-snapshot
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  199. # [20:42] <jacobolus> Hixie: what is the standard for things going on the whatwg blog. If I write an article about event-source and server-sent-events, and the limits of opera's current implementation of them, would it be relevant to put a link to that from the whatwg blog?
  200. # [20:46] <zcorpan> jacobolus: i think you can write pretty much anything you like on the whatwg blog, but put the article on the whatwg blog (some articles have been cross-posted before), don't just put a link there. it's not a link blog :)
  201. # [20:47] <jacobolus> ah, okay :)
  202. # [20:47] <jacobolus> zcorpan: I certainly wouldn't *just* put a link :)
  203. # [20:47] <zcorpan> i think you may have to ask Lachy for publishing your first post
  204. # [20:47] <jacobolus> i mean, even it it was mostly a link, it would have 2-3 paragraphs of explanation. but cross-posting might be fine :)
  205. # [20:48] <zcorpan> ok
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  207. # [20:49] <zcorpan> that might be fine too, btw, i just stated my understanding :)
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