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  38. # 10:50 < hendry> is there a status page of what/when browser support input types like email, datetime etc?
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  41. # 11:13 < Lachy> hendry, Opera has support for for those
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  44. # 11:20 < hendry> Lachy: what about other browsers like gecko, webkit? is there some sort of ETA for those?
  45. # 11:23 < webben> hendry: A first port of call would be the bugzillas for both I guess.
  46. # 11:23 < webben> iirc webkit has some sort of type="range" implementation
  47. # 11:24 < webben> (whether it's actually complete ... e.g. can you adjust the slider with the keyboard?) I don't know
  48. # 11:27 < hendry> what about support for IE with JS? what's the status with that i wonder
  49. # 11:32 < Philip`> (WebKit range was integer-only when I last tried, which made my 0->1 slider a bit useless :-( )
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  82. # 19:32 < Philip`> If I wanted to use GLSL fragment/vertex programs (i.e. an ASCII-only C-like language, for 3D graphics stuff) on the web, what would be a sensible MIME type?
  83. # 19:33 < Philip`> I'm guessing something like .../x-glsl-fp and .../x-glsl-vp but have no idea if it's text/... or application/... or what and don't know where to find that out
  84. # 19:33 < Hixie> if it's a plain text format, use text/
  85. # 19:33 < Hixie> you'll have people complain that you should use application/, but they're just silly
  86. # 19:34 < Philip`> (The Mozilla canvas3d examples use x-shader/x-vertex and x-shader/v-fragment which look kind of crazy to me)
  87. # 19:34 < Philip`> (Uh, I meant x-shader/x-fragment)
  88. # 19:35 < Dashiva> Isn't using an x- on the major part even more frowned upon?
  89. # 19:36 < Hixie> yes
  90. # 19:37 < Philip`> Apparently "The source character set used for the OpenGL shading languages is a subset of ASCII." so it's plain text in that sense, though not in the humans-can-read-the-plain-text-and-understand-it-fully sense
  91. # 19:38 < Hixie> is it meant to be human editable?
  92. # 19:38 < Philip`> Yes
  93. # 19:38 < Hixie> then use text/
  94. # 19:38 < Philip`> Okay - sounds plausible, so I'll try that :-)
  95. # 19:40 * Philip` tries to work out whether they're called fragment programs or fragment shaders or pixel shaders
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  99. # 20:50 < Hixie> so the html5 spec is about 500 pages
  100. # 20:50 < Hixie> and we've been working on it for about 3 years
  101. # 20:50 < hsivonen> hendry: if you do find good reusable HTML5 presentation demo materials, please let me know. I've agreed to speak about HTML5 on 3th of December
  102. # 20:50 < Hixie> i've been working on it at about 40 hours a week for that time
  103. # 20:50 < Hixie> so that's about 12 hours per page
  104. # 20:50 < Hixie> hsivonen: there's some stuff on hte wiki
  105. # 20:50 < Hixie> hsivonen: who are you talking to?
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  107. # 20:52 < hsivonen> Hixie: the event is organized by the student association of the CS dept. at University of Helsinki. The invitations go out to Finnish Unix Users' Group and Finnish Linux Users' Group as well
  108. # 20:53 < Hixie> nice
  109. # 20:53 < hsivonen> whoa. I actually type 3th instead of 3rd. scary
  110. # 20:54 < Hixie> heh
  111. # 20:55 < Hixie> i didn't even notice
  112. # 20:55 < Hixie> so the glyphs i'm missing are U+525B U+5FD7 U+6FA4 U+9ED2 U+C11D U+C724 U+CC2C U+FE6A U+FF05
  113. # 20:55 < Philip`> (Hooray, there's a randomly-coloured 3D monkey head in my web browser)
  114. # 20:55 < Hixie> if anyone has any fonts i could use that contain those glyphs, please let me know
  115. # 20:55 < Hixie> so i can add them to the html5 print pipeline
  116. # 20:55 < Hixie> Philip`: heh
  117. # 20:56 < hsivonen> hendry blogged about free CJK fonts a while ago
  118. # 20:57 * Hixie adds h2 { page-break-before: always }
  119. # 20:57 < Hixie> hsivonen: oo, interesting
  120. # 20:57 < Hixie> http://natalian.org/archives/2007/05/31/chinese-font/ ?
  121. # 20:57 < hsivonen> Hixie: yeah. no answer there, though :-(
  122. # 20:58 < Hixie> :-(
  123. # 21:05 < Hixie> U+525B U+5FD7 U+6FA4 U+9ED2 U+C11D U+C724 and U+CC2C aren't in my nameslist.txt
  124. # 21:05 * Hixie goes to update it
  125. # 21:06 < Lachy> Hey, can someone review an article for me? It's that one for a list apart I've been working on for a while, it's finally finished. Just got to prepare it for publishing
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  127. # 21:09 < Hixie> Lachy: i'm about to go out for a bit, but feel free to msg me the link and i'll look at it when i get back
  128. # 21:09 < Lachy> http://lachy.id.au/temp/Developing%20with%20HTML5%20ALA.doc
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  130. # 21:09 < Hixie> (wtf. i updated both NamesList.txt and Unihan.txt, and I still can't find these characters. are they fictional? or in a special range or something...)
  131. # 21:09 < Lachy> I'll convert it to HTML shortly
  132. # 21:11 < Hixie> ah, i see my problem:
  133. # 21:11 < Hixie> # XXX should also search Unihan and Hangul
  134. # 21:11 < Hixie> sigh
  135. # 21:11 < Hixie> ok
  136. # 21:11 < Hixie> well i'm off to get food, will be back in a bit.
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  138. # 21:19 < Lachy> Hixie, btw, the images in the article will be modified to switch the article and section elements, based on your earlier feedback about 2 months ago
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  147. # 21:39 < hendry> Hixie: the irc channel #dejavu has some font experts
  148. # 21:43 < hendry> dejavu sans doesn't have any CJK support... /usr/share/doc/ttf-dejavu/status.txt.gz sigh
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  151. # 21:58 < aroben> Lachy: your second figure doesn't show the <div id='content'> element
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  154. # 22:05 < Lachy> aroben, see my previous comment about the images getting fixed
  155. # 22:06 < aroben> Lachy: must have missed it, sorry
  156. # 22:18 < Hixie> Lachy: back, if you have the html version
  157. # 22:18 < Lachy> sorry, not yet
  158. # 22:19 < Lachy> can you read word docs?
  159. # 22:19 < Hixie> sure
  160. # 22:19 < Lachy> ok, cool
  161. # 22:21 < Hixie> oh btw (unrelated to your article) it seems the xhtml2wg is going ahead with their repositioning, they now define themselves as an authoring format, not a web format
  162. # 22:21 < Hixie> as far as i can tell
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  165. # 22:24 < Lachy> Hixie, where have they said that? on the mailing list?
  166. # 22:24 < hsivonen> Hixie: where can I read about that?
  167. # 22:25 < Hixie> (html4all gives me a Bandwidth Limit Exceeded?)
  168. # 22:25 < Lachy> Hixie, yeah, that happened yesterday. They're aware of it
  169. # 22:25 < Hixie> http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-xhtml-minutes (search for 'authoring')
  170. # 22:25 < Hixie> also http://www.w3.org/2007/11/08-xhtml-minutes
  171. # 22:25 < Hixie> and http://www.w3.org/2007/11/09-xhtml-minutes
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  175. # 22:53 < Philip`> (Oh, the Blender X3D exporter doesn't even work correctly when I make a monkey and a cube, so it's not just my code that's broken)
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  180. # 23:37 < aroben> Lachy: there's at least one instance of "dependent" where you meant "dependant"
  181. # 23:40 < aroben> Lachy: the items in the "Benefits of Using the {HTML,XML} Serialisation" are not all parallel constructs
  182. # 23:40 < aroben> Lachy: some are sentences, some are sentence fragments, etc.
  183. # 23:40 < aroben> Lachy: it would be nice to make them all the same
  184. # 23:41 < alp> aroben: 'dependent' is a far more common usage than 'dependant'
  185. # 23:42 < Philip`> http://canvex.lazyilluminati.com/misc/x3d.png - how totally exciting
  186. # 23:42 < aroben> alp: hm, I guess you're right
  187. # 23:42 < aroben> Lachy: ignore the "depdendent" comment
  188. # 23:42 < aroben> Philip`: what's that?
  189. # 23:42 < alp> vlad's 3d canvas stuff?
  190. # 23:43 < aroben> brb
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  192. # 23:44 < Philip`> aroben: What alp said
  193. # 23:44 < Philip`> Oops, too late
  194. # 23:44 < Philip`> (Rendering X3D content in particular, because I want to get a better idea of why browsers shouldn't implement X3D natively)
  195. # 23:52 < Hixie> Lachy: the article seems pretty good to me
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  198. # 23:56 < Philip`> aroben: What alp said
  199. # 23:56 < aroben> Philip`: neat
  200. # 23:56 < Philip`> (Rendering X3D content in particular, because I want to get a better idea of why browsers shouldn't implement X3D natively)
  201. # 23:57 < Lachy> aroben, thanks
  202. # 23:57 < aroben> Lachy: I like the article
  203. # 23:57 < aroben> Lachy: and it'll be nice to have it published in such a visible place
  204. # 23:57 < aroben> (visible to web developers, anyway)
  205. # 23:59 * Philip` needs to add some lighting and stuff, then add an opera-3d renderer to show how useless opera-3d is :-p

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