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  1. # 00:06 < Hixie> sure are a lot of odd things on *.com.com subdomains
  2. # 00:09 < Hixie> what on earth is http://www2.2ch.net/snow/index.js
  3. # 00:10 < Hixie> an analytics script, it seems
  4. # 00:10 < Hixie> how weird
  5. # 00:20 < Dashiva> It's also supposed to be shift-jis, for what it matters
  6. # 00:22 < MikeSmith> there's a whole lot of weirdness on 2ch.net
  7. # 00:22 < MikeSmith> if Jorge Luis Borges were still alive he could write a great story about it
  8. # 00:23 < MikeSmith> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2ch
  9. # 00:23 < MikeSmith> ni-chaneru
  10. # 00:49 < Hixie> MikeSmith: interesting
  11. # 01:00 * Hixie stares at http://engine.cqvip.com/content/script/mainfuncation.js is confusion
  12. # 01:01 < Hixie> what on earth is <script src=poem.js></script> used for
  13. # 01:04 < Lachy> Hixie, where is poem.js used?
  14. # 01:04 < gavin> did you mean to give the URL?
  15. # 01:06 < Hixie> lachy: i don't know.
  16. # 01:06 < Hixie> Lachy: google searches suggest arabic bulletin boards.
  17. # 01:07 < Lachy> ok. Then how is anyone supposed to know what that script is used for without seeing it in context?
  18. # 01:07 < Hixie> it's often quite easy
  19. # 01:07 < Hixie> e.g. if i ask what jquery.js is for, everyone knows :-)
  20. # 01:08 < Lachy> yeah, but that's a popular library with a unique name
  21. # 01:08 < Hixie> it seems poem.js is also popular
  22. # 01:08 < Hixie> but i've never heard of it before
  23. # 01:09 < Lachy> it's also a common word, so maybe people are just calling different scripts the same thing
  24. # 01:09 < Hixie> possible, but it seems not in this case, at least not based on the google searches i did
  25. # 01:09 < Hixie> all i could find was people talking about it on arabic bulletin boards
  26. # 01:10 < Lachy> anyway, I'm having troubles of my own. Copying and pasting from iWork Pages into Dreamweaver is not as simple and convenient as it is from MS Word
  27. # 01:10 < Philip`> http://swalfna.com/dewan/poem.js
  28. # 01:10 < Hixie> Philip`: wow, how do you do that
  29. # 01:10 < Philip`> and http://www.dardasha.net/images/poem.js etc
  30. # 01:10 < Philip`> http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22poem.js%22 ;-)
  31. # 01:11 < Hixie> cunning!
  32. # 01:11 < Hixie> it does seem to be all the same script
  33. # 01:12 < Hixie> anyone speak arabic here? :-)
  34. # 01:15 < Hixie> Philip`: i don't suppose you have any luck with /en/pages/js/Abstract.js ? :-)
  35. # 01:16 < Philip`> http://ci.nii.ac.jp/en/pages/js/Abstract.js ?
  36. # 01:16 < Philip`> (That's all http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=en%2Fpages%2Fjs%2FAbstract.js finds)
  37. # 01:17 < Hixie> clearly i need to start using msn search and yahoo search more
  38. # 01:22 < Philip`> Sadly Google is not perfect :-(
  39. # 01:23 < Hixie> :-)
  40. # 01:23 < Hixie> indeed not
  41. # 01:28 < roc> Hixie: smontagu on Mozilla IRC can help you with arabic
  42. # 01:28 < Hixie> aah, cool
  43. # 01:28 < roc> ... when he's around
  44. # 01:28 < roc> he lives in Israel so he's hardly ever awake when I am :-)
  45. # 01:29 < Hixie> :-)
  46. # [11:31] <hsivonen> Lachy: does mediawiki have some kind of extension system? I'm not seeing the same UI on wiki.whatwg.org that I'm seeing in mediawiki docs
  47. # [11:31] <hsivonen> in particular, I don't see a button for creating a table
  48. # [11:32] <Lachy> yes, there are extensions available for it
  49. # [11:32] <Lachy> if you find one you want, I can install it for you
  50. # [11:34] <Lachy> hsivonen, http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Special:Version lists the extensions installed. Check that page on the other wiki to see what they're using
  51. # [11:35] <hsivonen> Lachy: ok. I'll just use the syntax manually
  52. # [15:39] <Lachy> does anyone know where in the whatwg archives the rationale for dropping <h> is described?
  53. # [15:43] <zcorpan> http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2004-November/002362.html ?
  54. # [15:49] <Lachy> thanks.
  55. # [15:50] <Lachy> I'll post that to public-html later (unless someone else does it)
  56. # [15:50] <Lachy> I gotta go, cya
  57. # [21:45] <Hixie> http://scripts.lycos.com/catman/init.js <-- the first statement in that file is a classic example of cargo-cult programming
  58. # [21:48] <hsivonen> Hixie: what's the expected magic?
  59. # [21:49] <Hixie> that it won't break parsers
  60. # [21:49] <Hixie> it's from people finding that "</script>" in an inline script breaks parsers
  61. # [21:50] <Hixie> so people instead of just writing "<\/script>" write "</scr"+"ipt>"
  62. # [21:50] <Hixie> and in this instance, it has gotten so far as "scr"+"ipt" in an external script
  63. # [21:50] <hsivonen> ok
  64. # [21:51] <hsivonen> I find the use of the $ sign weird, too, but I guess the $ is just a valid identifier character
  65. # [21:52] <takkaria> hsivonen: PHP influence, I guess
  66. # [21:52] * Philip` guessed Perl instead
  67. # [21:55] <Philip`> I like being able to write "var π = 3.14"
  68. # [21:55] <Philip`> (Java is nice like that too)
  69. # [22:31] <Hixie> interesting
  70. # [22:31] <Hixie> i'm seeing a lot of dm_client... scripts
  71. # [22:31] <Hixie> seems to be related to REVENUE SCIENCE
  72. # [22:31] <Hixie> whatever that is
  73. # [22:32] <Hixie> lots of people complaining about cookies...
  74. # [22:32] <Hixie> hmm http://www.revenuescience.com/
  75. # [23:13] <jacobolus> Hixie: in <http://hixie.ch/advocacy/xhtml>, <http://www.hut.fi/u/hsivonen/xhtml-the-point> should be changed to <http://hsivonen.iki.fi/xhtml-the-point/>
  76. # [23:13] <jacobolus> (in case you're still updating that thing)
  77. # [23:25] <Hixie> i have several million pages in my survey who have <script src="javascript/quick_review.js"> and yet i can't find anything in any of the three search engines to tell me what that might be about
  78. # [23:25] <Hixie> jacobolus: k, thanks
  79. # [23:36] * Philip` is surprised by how many search engines are just wrappers around Google/Yahoo/Ask
  80. # [23:38] <Philip`> All the familiar names from last century are now mere shells :-(
  81. # [23:41] <jacobolus> altavista seems to still exist
  82. # [23:41] <jacobolus> though half the page is "sponsored" matches
  83. # [23:41] <jacobolus> oh, i guess they use yahoo!
  84. # [23:41] <kingryan> jacobolus: altavista is owned by yahoo and uses most of the same technology
  85. # [23:41] <jacobolus> nevermind
  86. # [23:43] <jacobolus> i wonder what the point of that is
  87. # [23:43] <jacobolus> i.e. having a separate page which looks different, but is actually just yahoo
  88. # [23:44] <Philip`> http://www.alltheweb.com/ is just Yahoo too
  89. # [23:46] <Philip`> I guess the point is that people who use one search engine will continue using that search engine since it's what they know, and if Yahoo buys that search engine then they don't want to maintain two different technologies but they don't want to lose any of the existing users, so they keep the old branding
  90. # [23:56] <Hixie> i really can't find anything about this quick_review.js thing
  91. # [23:56] <Hixie> weird
  92. # [23:58] <Philip`> When you're collecting the list of frequently-used scripts, could you make it remember the page where it was found (and do that randomly in 1 in 10^5 occurrences, so you'll not have so much data but will have some pointers to things used a million times)?
  93. # [23:58] <Hixie> i'd have to have the list of frequently used scripts first
  94. # [23:59] <Hixie> which poses a chicken and egg problem
  95. # [23:59] <Hixie> (otherwise i'd just have to remember every script, which would be insane)

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