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  49. # [06:13] <jwalden> Hixie: another idea for a test -- make sure that the CSS float property can be accessed through the DOM by the property name "cssFloat"; I've heard rumors IE only supports styleFloat
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  53. # [06:58] <Hixie> jwalden: thanks
  54. # [06:58] <jwalden> np
  55. # [06:59] <Hixie> if you have any firefox or safari bugs, those are even more valuable... the test is already a mess in IE, we don't really need to add more IE bugs :-)
  56. # [06:59] <Hixie> but i'll try this one
  57. # [07:00] <jwalden> I know; I should skim through the list of bugs I'm CCed on and see if there are any that have been around awhile
  58. # [07:01] <jwalden> Hixie: btw, your use of text-shadow is nice, and I wish Gecko supported it, but (I'd hope!) you're not going to be able to get accurate rendering with it, unless you're just checking that it gets DOMified
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  60. # [07:09] <Hixie> why?
  61. # [07:15] <jwalden> Hixie: surely CSS wouldn't prescribe exact rendering for text-shadow, would it?
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  64. # [07:39] <Hixie> jwalden_: in the extreme case of there not being a blur radius, sure
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  69. # [08:04] <jwalden> Hixie: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98694 might be reasonable
  70. # [08:05] <Hixie> can't test :hover from script
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  72. # [08:13] <jwalden> ah, point
  73. # [08:23] <othermaciej> you could require the mouse to be in the window and ensure that the feature which should be in :hover covers the whole page and then use getComputedStyle
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  75. # [08:23] <othermaciej> (:hover on a column, yuck)
  76. # [08:25] <othermaciej> that one's not clearly justified by standards I don't think
  77. # [08:25] <othermaciej> even if it were testable
  78. # [08:25] <Hixie> i don't want to require much of reporters at all :-)
  79. # [08:29] <jwalden> Hixie: <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=312354> might fit a bill
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  83. # [08:40] <Hixie> 26 tests to go
  84. # [08:40] <Hixie> jwalden: looking
  85. # [08:41] <Hixie> jwalden: E4X isn't old enough
  86. # [08:42] <jwalden> Hixie: don't need E4X, just something that will do the conversion -- |var c = node.textContent = {toString: function() { return "string"; }};| would do the trick -- is c a string or an object?
  87. # [08:42] <jwalden> or at least that's how I understand it
  88. # [08:42] <Hixie> oh
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  91. # [08:45] <Hixie> typeof(window.name = 6) retrns number for me
  92. # [08:45] <Hixie> as does typeof(document.documentElement.id = 6)
  93. # [08:46] <Hixie> and typeof(document.documentElement.id = {toString: function() { return "string"; }}) returns object
  94. # [08:46] <Hixie> i can't reproduce this bug
  95. # [08:46] <jwalden> hm
  96. # [08:47] <Hixie> (without e4x)
  97. # [08:48] <jwalden> Hixie: see comment 3, or try javascript:var re = /x/g; var y; y = re.lastIndex = "7"; typeof y
  98. # [08:48] <jwalden> it's only a problem when it chains, I think
  99. # [08:49] <Hixie> var x; typeof(x = document.documentElement.id = {toString: function() { return "string"; }}) still says object
  100. # [08:49] <Hixie> but your example does fail
  101. # [08:49] <Hixie> weird
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  104. # [08:59] <Hixie> thanks for that one
  105. # [08:59] <Hixie> added it
  106. # [09:01] <jwalden> Hixie: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385166 is an HTTP compliance one
  107. # [09:02] <Hixie> not clear that that's a bug
  108. # [09:02] <Hixie> since HTTP doesn't define error handling
  109. # [09:02] <Hixie> find bugs is hard :-/
  110. # [09:02] <Hixie> finding bugs, even
  111. # [09:02] <Hixie> or rather, finding usable bugs for an acid test
  112. # [09:03] <jwalden> except that treating something with the wrong content-type as text/css is clearly wrong, isn't it?
  113. # [09:03] <Hixie> it's not clear that it has the wrong content-type
  114. # [09:03] <Hixie> it may have no content-type
  115. # [09:04] <Hixie> according to http, behaviour is undefined
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  123. # [09:25] <jwalden> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=398681>, <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=398682>, <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=398686>, <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=398820> for more possibilities (didn't look beyond the summaries, tho)
  124. # [09:33] <om_sleep> table layout is not very well specified
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  126. # [09:33] <jwalden> and with that I've run through the list of open bugs I'm CCed on
  127. # [09:33] <jwalden> yeah
  128. # [09:33] <othermaciej> so not likely to be good fodder for an acid test
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  130. # [09:34] <jwalden> I also was sorta trying to find bugs where the situation hit is one you might reasonably see in a web page, or where the tested functionality is generally useful
  131. # [09:34] <jwalden> so much of this is edge-case functionality that's not especially useful
  132. # [09:34] <jwalden> or has easy workarounds
  133. # [09:35] <jwalden> or similar
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  170. # [12:14] <Hixie> i love when working groups are asked to define error handling and their response is "defining error handling is hard" as if that means they shouldn't do it
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  172. # [12:18] <jwalden> Hixie: btw, totally understandable if you don't want to do it, but if you could throw some testing in the document.createElement(badness) test for createElementNS(badness) that'd be awesome and would save us a little effort ;-)
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  176. # [12:29] <Hixie> jwalden: come again?
  177. # [12:31] <jwalden> Hixie: it would be convenient to have something like test 22 (maybe just more added to it) which tested createElementNS, possibly for things that only it would have problems handling (qname = "xml:foo" with wrong ns comes to mind as one, for example)
  178. # [12:31] <jwalden> since I doubt our impl of that is fully correct either
  179. # [12:32] <Hixie> oh i see
  180. # [12:32] <Hixie> will do
  181. # [12:32] <Hixie> sure thing
  182. # [12:32] <Hixie> bed time now though
  183. # [12:32] <Hixie> nn
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  185. # [12:39] <hsivonen> zcorpan: xml-stylesheet PIs recorded as a feature request
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  192. # [13:59] <jwalden> Hixie: I don't think the |assert(!s.MIN_VALUE, "attribute is a Number");| means what you think it means in test 54; you want typeof == "number", I think
  193. # [14:01] <jwalden> Hixie: |s.match| is a function because |typeof s == "string"|, but the MIN_VALUE property only exists on the Number ctor
  194. # [14:02] <jwalden> Hixie: also, the messages in those two asserts seem to have inverted logic
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  212. # [17:19] <zcorpan> Hixie: ping
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  218. # [17:44] <hsivonen> Hixie: regarding plain text form submission and almost arbitrary cross-domain POST: the hazard can be neutralized by servers not accepting text/plain POSTs, right?
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  274. # [22:05] <Hixie> jwalden: i thnk you misread them
  275. # [22:05] <Hixie> hsivonen: yes
  276. # [22:05] <Hixie> zcpong
  277. # [22:06] <jwalden> Hixie: how so?
  278. # [22:07] <Hixie> jwalden: the assert message is the error message shown when the assert expression is false
  279. # [22:07] <Hixie> assert(!s.MIN_VALUE, "attribute is a Number");
  280. # [22:07] <jwalden> oh
  281. # [22:07] <Hixie> the expression is only false when s.MIN_VALUE is present, thus when it is a Number
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  284. # [22:09] <jwalden> Hixie: except that MIN_VALUE isn't on any object in JS but Number (not numbers, not Number instances), so the test is over-permissive -- !s.toFixed would be better
  285. # [22:10] <jwalden> toPrecision, &c.
  286. # [22:12] <Hixie> it caught the error in the browser is was trying to catch the error in :-)
  287. # [22:12] <hsivonen> Hixie: what was "yes" in response to?
  288. # [22:12] <Hixie> 17:42 < hsivonen> Hixie: regarding plain text form submission and almost arbitrary cross-domain POST: the hazard can be neutralized by servers not accepting text/plain POSTs, right?
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  290. # [22:17] <jwalden> zounds
  291. # [22:22] <hsivonen> Hixie: ok. so in that case, the threat of scripted form POST isn't at all the same as the thread of cross-domain XHR POST without access-control pre-flight
  292. # [22:22] <Hixie> hsivonen: few servers if any check the content-type header.
  293. # [22:37] <hsivonen> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/WD-xhtml-access-20080107/
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