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  1. # Session Start: Wed Jan 09 00:00:00 2008
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  3. # [00:05] <Hixie> zcorpan: svg-in-img and svg-in-background are not scripting tests
  4. # [00:06] <kig> re: JS GC tracking, there any tool to track allocations? want to figure out what i need to fix
  5. # [00:07] <kig> might be floats though..
  6. # [00:09] <eseidel> Hixie: sadly, he's gone... but they also aren't spec'd yet. WICD is trying :)
  7. # [00:16] <Hixie> WICD is a waste of time
  8. # [00:16] <Hixie> how are they not specced?
  9. # [00:23] <eseidel> Hixie: where are <img src="foo.svg"> and background: foo.svg spec'd?
  10. # [00:23] <eseidel> if not by WICD
  11. # [00:24] <Hixie> HTML, SVG, and CSS
  12. # [00:24] <Hixie> same as <img src="foo.png"> and background: foo.png is specced by HTML, PNG, and CSS
  13. # [00:25] <eseidel> CSS 2.1 does make mention of non-fixed intrinsic sized replaced elements
  14. # [00:26] <eseidel> not sure about background: coverage for non-fixed size images, i'd have to go read more
  15. # [00:26] <Hixie> there may be holes in CSS/SVG/HTML
  16. # [00:26] <Hixie> in which case those specs should be fixed
  17. # [00:26] <Hixie> but that doesn't mean adding a whole new spec
  18. # [00:26] <Hixie> that's just retarded
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  46. # [03:44] <roc> Philip`, gsnedders: Spidermonkey dtrace instrumentation is actually in Mozilla trunk now I believe
  47. # [03:57] <takkaria> I think webkit should have a lower pass rate when acid3 is released than firefox does, because otherwise Hixie is clearly just making Apple look good after the Ogg fiasco
  48. # [03:59] <Hixie> safari looks like crap on acid3, compared to firefox :-)
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  50. # [04:00] <roc> Hixie should accept testcases from anyone. Browser vendors and fanboys compete to make other browsers look bad, Hixie quickly builds the most complete test suite the world has ever seen
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  52. # [04:03] <Hixie> roc: i was seriously thinking of posting a blog entry saying that bucket 5 was going to be open to the 16 best tests anyone could come up with
  53. # [04:03] <Hixie> roc: and push it to digg, reddit, etc
  54. # [04:04] <Hixie> not sure how to collect the tests though
  55. # [04:04] <jwalden> hrm
  56. # [04:04] * jwalden wonders how much of an IE pile-on that would become
  57. # [04:04] <Hixie> i can just say that the tests must show bugs in at least two browsers
  58. # [04:04] <roc> people would push the envelope of what should be considered a "test"
  59. # [04:05] <Hixie> and i would be the judge of what is a valid test :-)
  60. # [04:05] <roc> which browsers? IE and Amaya OK?
  61. # [04:05] <Hixie> ie, opera, safari, firefox
  62. # [04:05] <Hixie> latest trunk only for safari and firefox
  63. # [04:06] <Hixie> i.e. the latest builds i can test
  64. # [04:06] <othermaciej> I suspect a lot of the submissions would not be justified by appropriate standards
  65. # [04:06] <othermaciej> you'd have to require that submissions cite what standards justify them and give a list of allowed standards or something
  66. # [04:06] <Hixie> then they'd get ignored :-)
  67. # [04:06] <Hixie> me ignoring the tests is probably easier :-)
  68. # [04:07] <othermaciej> I guess it depends on whether you have time to process the flood
  69. # [04:07] <othermaciej> and whether it's easy to tell what tests are bogus
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  72. # [04:12] <roc> I wish we could share more tests. It would be pretty easy to get our reftests running on all browsers
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  74. # [04:24] <othermaciej> we've copied some tests from Mozilla
  75. # [04:24] <othermaciej> movement in the other direction is welcome
  76. # [04:24] <othermaciej> though we have a different approach to automated testing
  77. # [04:25] <jwalden> image comparisons start to lose when multiple platforms enter the picture
  78. # [04:26] <jwalden> and of course the Linux snafu doesn't help either
  79. # [04:27] <gavin> "the linux snafu"?
  80. # [04:28] <jwalden> what libraries you have, the variety of distros all with their own specific patches, etc.
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  104. # [06:44] <Hixie> http://www.w3.org/mid/4783BC64.9020607@inkedblade.net is so sad
  105. # [06:45] <Hixie> that the first two points required a committee meeting to decide is sad
  106. # [06:45] <Hixie> that the third point will further lead to people considering the "css working group members" to be some elevated group is sad
  107. # [06:46] <Hixie> that the 6th item includes once again talking about the charter and about centering, something that's been discussed for probably more than a decade now, is sad
  108. # [06:46] <Hixie> that animation and transitions are considered out of scope is sad
  109. # [06:47] <Hixie> and that the working group expect a quality spec to come out of encouraging "people" to "draft text", especially without having a true sense of community around the project, is sad
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  111. # [06:49] <Hixie> (the saddest part, though, is that if the working group was to see my comments above, they would immediately switch to the defensive)
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  113. # [07:12] <othermaciej> I'm not sure why they would want dev.w3.org used for an out-of-scope spec
  114. # [07:15] <othermaciej> does that mean they want to put it in their next charter?
  115. # [07:15] <othermaciej> given the rate of progress in the CSS WG I'm not sure it matters either way
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  125. # [08:38] <MacDome> kig: are you writing yet another SVG renderer in canvas?
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  128. # [09:08] <kig> MacDome: it's the same old svg renderer in canvas
  129. # [09:08] <MacDome> one you wrote?
  130. # [09:08] <kig> yes
  131. # [09:09] <MacDome> because there are multiple
  132. # [09:17] <kig> i know of canvasvg at least, are there more
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  153. # [12:17] <Philip`> http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?doid=1327452.1327492 - "The indexing system takes as input a large set of documents that have been retrieved by our crawling system, stored as a set of GFS files. The raw contents for these documents are more than 20 terabytes of data"
  154. # [12:18] <Philip`> How does that work out? From what I've seen, the mean page size is over 20KB, so 20TB would only be a billion documents, which is off by more than an order of magnitude from the number Google claims to index
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  168. # [15:19] * Set by gsnedders on Tue Dec 18 21:41:19
  169. # [15:20] <Philip`> hsivonen: I interpreted his "I will show this presentation in russian "mirror" committee for ISO, and I would be very thankfull for all remarks." as meaning it hadn't been presented yet, but is planned to be
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  171. # [15:28] <hsivonen> Philip`: oh. I missed that bit.
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  178. # [17:00] <Philip`> kig: With clipping?
  179. # [17:01] <Philip`> Or, composite the mask and image onto a temporary surface, and then draw that surface back onto the main surface?
  180. # [17:03] <kig> latter
  181. # [17:03] <kig> clipping is 1-bi
  182. # [17:03] <kig> t
  183. # [17:04] <kig> and easy since canvas already has clip
  184. # [17:11] <kig> source-in :?
  185. # [17:12] <kig> got svg clipping paths implemented, including objectBoundingBox
  186. # [17:13] <kig> in fact, it's so powerful it breaks the SVG spec :P
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  188. # [17:13] <Philip`> kig: Do you mean drawing a greyscale mask image (with white for visible bits of mask), then drawing the image on top with source-in?
  189. # [17:13] <kig> yes
  190. # [17:14] <Philip`> http://lists.whatwg.org/pipermail/whatwg-whatwg.org/2007-March/010608.html has a handy table of operators, so source-in looks the right one for that
  191. # [17:15] <Philip`> Oh, I didn't mean greyscale mask image, I meant arbitrarily-coloured image with mask data in the alpha channel
  192. # [17:15] <kig> svg: only geometry primitives allowed inside <clipPath>. cake: whatever you like inside <clipPath>
  193. # [17:16] * Philip` puts <foreignObject> inside <clipPath>
  194. # [17:16] <kig> that's, uh
  195. # [17:17] <kig> it'll work, but no foreignObject support so~
  196. # [17:18] <kig> foreignObject is yet another input-event-stealing travesty?
  197. # [17:19] <Philip`> It usefully lets you embed interactive content
  198. # [17:19] <Philip`> which probably means "yes"
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  208. # [17:42] <kig> the problem is exemplified by having a thin titlebar with a foreign object under it. drag titlebar to move the titlebar and the object. mousemove enters object -> drag stops
  209. # [17:45] <kig> solution? explicit drag handling
  210. # [17:46] <MacDome> kig: capture?
  211. # [17:46] <kig> parent doc doesn't get the event and shouldn't get the event
  212. # [17:47] <MacDome> ah
  213. # [17:47] <kig> otherwise you can record input events to an iframe etc
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  217. # [17:53] <kig> a hacky workaround on the browser side would be to: if (firstMouseMoveOverForeign) { passToParent; firstMouseMoveOverForeign = mouseOverParent; } else { nickIt; }
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  226. # [18:39] <zcorpan> Hixie: yt?
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  234. # [19:24] <hsivonen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Web_Hypertext_Application_Technology_Working_Group
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  240. # [19:47] <jruderman> ugh, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=280959#c110
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  265. # [22:06] <zcorpan> it's unclear to me whether a literal result element is allowed in other places than as the root element... http://www.w3.org/TR/xslt#result-element-stylesheet
  266. # [22:06] <zcorpan> i think it is
  267. # [22:07] <anne-mac> dude, don't do XSLT; bad :p
  268. # [22:07] <zcorpan> :)
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  275. # [22:16] <zcorpan> i thought inline css with xml-stylesheet was implemented somewhere, but perhaps it wasn't
  276. # [22:16] <anne-mac> it sounds like over engineering
  277. # [22:17] <anne-mac> though I have advocated for it to be added to Gecko back in the days :)
  278. # [22:17] * anne-mac cared about specs starting with an X back then
  279. # [22:18] <Philip`> (Like XML5?)
  280. # [22:18] <Philip`> (and XMLHttpRequest?)
  281. # [22:18] <zcorpan> i'm tempted to define how it should work, but perhaps i shouldn't
  282. # [22:18] <gsnedders> Philip`: XMLHttpRequest5? :)
  283. # [22:18] <anne-mac> Philip`, renaming either would be bad
  284. # [22:19] <anne-mac> like renaming HTML would be bad
  285. # [22:19] <hsivonen> anne-mac: JSONRequest?-)
  286. # [22:20] <Philip`> (and XBL2?)
  287. # [22:21] <Philip`> I guess you must care about slightly more than just the first letter of the name :-p
  288. # [22:21] <anne-mac> I tried to make that WBL (wibble), but dhaytt refused
  289. # [22:21] <anne-mac> (or wobble)
  290. # [22:22] <zcorpan> with the W standing for?
  291. # [22:23] <zcorpan> Wobble? :)
  292. # [22:23] <anne-mac> Web?
  293. # [22:24] <zcorpan> Wobble Binding Language would have been a pretty funny name
  294. # [22:30] <gsnedders> not very good at binding, then
  295. # [22:30] <Philip`> It's better at bending than binding, I guess
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  297. # [22:34] * zcorpan finds that <?xml-stylesheet href="#" type="text/xsl"?> ... <xsl:stylesheet id="" ... > works in opera
  298. # [22:39] <zcorpan> ok, updated http://simon.html5.org/specs/xml-stylesheet5 . geez, what a sentence... (in the last paragraph in Processing)
  299. # [22:40] <anne-mac> i see you copied from HTML5
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  301. # [22:40] <anne-mac> that has to be revised at some point to cope with the CSSOM
  302. # [22:41] <zcorpan> copied what?
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  307. # [22:42] <zcorpan> aha. yeah
  308. # [22:43] <anne-mac> have you checked surrogate characters in Firefox btw for entites?
  309. # [22:43] <anne-mac> i think they actually work
  310. # [22:43] <zcorpan> i haven't
  311. # [22:44] <anne-mac> another copy from HTML5
  312. # [22:44] <anne-mac> hah
  313. # [22:44] <zcorpan> i plan to update that when html5 is fixed :)
  314. # [22:52] <zcorpan> perhaps i should ask the xml core wg if they're interested in this spec
  315. # [22:57] <gsnedders> anne-mac: Like you can talk about HTML5 copies :P
  316. # [22:57] <gsnedders> Oh, wait…
  317. # [22:57] * gsnedders shuts up
  318. # [22:57] <gsnedders> :)
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