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  1. # Session Start: Sat Jan 12 00:00:00 2008
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  3. # [00:00] <Hixie> the Referer header and a GET request
  4. # [00:01] <gsnedders> Okay, that doesn't map to the slightly different use-case of tracking comments on other sites.
  5. # [00:01] <gsnedders> (where you need to send at least the commenter's name + comment)
  6. # [00:02] <gsnedders> Ideas for transport media are welcome :)
  7. # [00:03] <Lachy> Hixie, wouldn't Referer spam, which has been happening since long before pingback, have made that a bad idea?
  8. # [00:03] <gsnedders> (over HTTP, obviously)
  9. # [00:03] <gsnedders> Lachy: it's done using Pingback, what difference does it make?
  10. # [00:06] <Lachy> dunno, it just seems like it would be worse
  11. # [00:06] * gsnedders thinks we'll never know
  12. # [00:10] <Hixie> Lachy: the techniques used to avoid it for pingback can be used for referer spam.
  13. # [00:11] <Hixie> Lachy: spammers do trackback spam, pingback spam, and referer spam, they don't care what the exact protocol is.
  14. # [00:11] <Hixie> gsnedders: for tracking comments, i recommend NNTP
  15. # [00:12] * gsnedders ponders how that'd work
  16. # [00:12] <gsnedders> Hixie: <http://groups.google.com/group/habari-dev/browse_thread/thread/5a5fabe48110df2b> is the current proposal
  17. # [00:13] <gsnedders> NNTP would probably be overkill anyway.
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  21. # [00:30] <gsnedders> Hixie: if you have any good thoughts about such a thing, could I possibly con you into replying to that within the next month or so? or is that too ambitious of a timescale?
  22. # [00:30] <Hixie> i have no thoughts
  23. # [00:31] <Hixie> i think http is a dumb protocol to do threaded communication over
  24. # [00:31] <gsnedders> Think, Ian, think. :)
  25. # [00:32] <gsnedders> I think requiring blog software to implement a whole protocol like NNTP is unrealistic.
  26. # [00:33] <gsnedders> It almost certainly has to be done over a protocol they already support: HTTP & XML-RPC is already widely supported, however unidealistic it is.
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  29. # [00:35] <Hixie> i wouldn't implement a whole protocol like NNTP
  30. # [00:35] <Hixie> i would just use NNTP
  31. # [00:35] <Hixie> or SMTP
  32. # [00:35] <Hixie> what's wrong with e-mail?
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  34. # [00:37] * gsnedders doesn't bother going into use-cases
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  42. # [01:52] <jwalden> Hixie: assertEquals((-0.00006).toFixed(4), "-0.0001", "toFixd(4) wrong for -0.00006"); // typo "toFixd"
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  72. # [04:42] <othermaciej> Hixie: ayt?
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  75. # [05:11] <Hixie> othermaciej: yeah
  76. # [05:11] <othermaciej> Hixie: one of the khtml developers said that acid3 tests for the default type of <button> being "button"
  77. # [05:11] <othermaciej> I didn't verify that it does, but if so, that's contrary to HTML 4.01
  78. # [05:12] <othermaciej> (and I don't think there is a superseding later spec)
  79. # [05:23] <Hixie> it is?
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  81. # [06:48] <othermaciej> HTML 4.01 says the default is "submit"
  82. # [06:48] <othermaciej> http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/interact/forms.html#adef-type-BUTTON
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  86. # [08:19] <Hixie> othermaciej: oh right. IE defaults to button.
  87. # [08:19] <Hixie> duh
  88. # [08:19] <Hixie> my bad will fix
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  96. # [10:15] <MacDome> othermaciej: we do it wrong of course :)
  97. # [10:15] <MacDome> Hixie: there is some other part of the spec which talks about "type = button" though, I'm sure of it
  98. # [10:17] <MacDome> ah
  99. # [10:17] <MacDome> I was just reading the spec wrong
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  103. # [10:59] <othermaciej> MacDome: I don't remember if we match IE or Firefox, or which matches the spec, or whether this is a compat issue
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  114. # [13:50] <gsnedders> Lachy: ASCII art rulez.
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  118. # [14:13] <Lachy> gsnedders, I assume you're referring to the site I twitterd? http://procool.ru/interesting/funny_kitten.htm
  119. # [14:16] <gsnedders> Lachy: yeah
  120. # [14:17] <gsnedders> anyhow, bbiab
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  123. # [14:57] <hsivonen> hmm. <menu> now has this: "If there is a menu element ancestor: phrasing content."
  124. # [14:58] <hsivonen> that requirement together with the element normally being prose is no fun at all
  125. # [14:59] <hsivonen> Hixie: are you sure that is what you meant and you didn't mean that <li> as descendants of <menu> take either phrase or <menu>?
  126. # [15:00] <hsivonen> Hixie: why would one want to allow <menu><li><code><menu>...</menu></code></li></menu>?
  127. # [15:04] <zcorpan> hsivonen: the intent was to allow nested <menu>s (for submenus)
  128. # [15:05] <zcorpan> perhaps the rule would be better as "if the parent is an <li>, and that element's parent is a <menu>"?
  129. # [15:05] <hsivonen> zcorpan: do you mean in ways other than having the nested menu as the only child of a <li>?
  130. # [15:05] <hsivonen> zcorpan: right. that's what I'm after
  131. # [15:07] <hsivonen> time for me to send email again, I guess
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  133. # [15:20] <hsivonen> Hixie: in general, making the proseness of an element depend on ancestors is very, very bad for RELAX NG
  134. # [15:21] <hsivonen> (proseness depending on parent is fine, though)
  135. # [15:22] <hsivonen> ouch. I had forgot about the whole datatemplate thing
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  150. # [17:33] <jwalden> Hixie: any reason for a duplicated case 12 in test 1?
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