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  4. # [00:01] <zcorpan_> hsivonen: in order to make the grouping feature more useful, perhaps the attribute value should be stripped from the message for errors about attribute values
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  6. # [00:04] <zcorpan_> (or the grouping feature should just be smarter and do the same as you did with the alexia result list)
  7. # [00:07] <zcorpan_> looking at the bottom of that list shows that unmatched quotes is relatively common
  8. # [00:08] <zcorpan_> the very last error also seems harmless
  9. # [00:09] <zcorpan_> banning ; in attribute names might also be effective
  10. # [00:19] <zcorpan_> hsivonen: though, the grouping feature is intended to help with search-replace fixing rather than fix-the-spec-studying, so what to group might be different
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  13. # [00:23] <zcorpan_> 0022 / 491 Bad value (consolidated) for attribute “width” on element “img”: Zero is not a positive integer.
  14. # [00:23] <zcorpan_> i think that's <noscript><img src=tracker.cgi with=0 height=0>
  15. # [00:23] <zcorpan_> s/with/width/
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  17. # [00:28] <zcorpan_> we might also want to allow width/height on <input type=image>
  18. # [00:32] <zcorpan_> 0013 / 491 Stray “script” start tag.
  19. # [00:32] <zcorpan_> when can a script start tag be stray?
  20. # [00:34] * zcorpan_ ponders about <noscript><style scroped>
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  28. # [01:18] * Philip` wonders if he can do a regexp conversion of the tree construction algorithm into executable code
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  52. # [03:40] <Hixie> was http://blog.whatwg.org/faq/ ever a valid URI?
  53. # [03:40] <Hixie> if so the redirect is wrong
  54. # [03:47] <Lachy> ok, I'll fix it
  55. # [03:48] <Lachy> fixed
  56. # [03:49] <Lachy> good night
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  90. # [09:03] <hsivonen> http://www.imc.org/atom-syntax/mail-archive/msg20402.html
  91. # [09:06] <othermaciej> tasty!
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  93. # [09:10] <othermaciej> it's good to know that Namespaces in XML are still busy providing non-solutions to non-problems
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  100. # [09:21] <MikeSmith> that seems worth quoting
  101. # [09:21] <MikeSmith> "I think the lesson here is to write better specs, not rail against programmers when they are presented with bad ones."
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  104. # [09:22] <hsivonen> zcorpan: stray script happens after </body>
  105. # [09:22] <hsivonen> http://html5.validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imageshack.us%2F&showsource=yes#l563c73
  106. # [09:22] <hsivonen> http://html5.validator.nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com.hk%2F&showsource=yes#l3c4938
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  115. # [11:04] <Philip`> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=415168
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  120. # [12:29] <annevk> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/yahoo-and-future-of-internet.html
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  124. # [13:12] <hsivonen> zcorpan: Validator.nu now permutes attributes so that the RELAX NG layer always sees the type attribute of <input> and <command> before the other element-specific attributes, the content attribute of <meta> after the other attributes and the template attribute before everything else
  125. # [13:12] <hsivonen> oh, and the wrap attribute of textarea is hoisted, too
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  131. # [13:43] <hsivonen> zcorpan_: replies in logs
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  133. # [13:45] <zcorpan_> hsivonen: nice
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  142. # [15:21] <Philip`> Where HTML5 says "insert an HTML element with the same tag name as the token's.", that sounds like you don't give it the same attributes as the current token's, but that doesn't seem to make sense
  143. # [15:24] <annevk> seems that http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/section-tree-construction.html#creating addresses that
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  145. # [15:29] <Philip`> "create an element for a token" happens during "insert an HTML element for a token", but inserting an element with another token's tag name is not the same as inserting an element for that token
  146. # [15:29] <annevk> indeed, the difference is the tag name
  147. # [15:31] <Philip`> The difference is that inserting an element with another token's tag name does not define an actual token to insert the HTML element for
  148. # [15:31] <Philip`> I don't see why it doesn't just say "Insert an HTML element for the token"
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  150. # [15:33] <annevk> you're right, that would make more sense
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  153. # [15:54] <zcorpan_> http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=142
  154. # [15:59] <annevk> replied
  155. # [16:07] <annevk> zcorpan_, in http://simon.html5.org/specs/xml-stylesheet5 "content type" should probably say "content type, excluding parameters,"
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  157. # [16:17] <zcorpan_> annevk: thanks, changed to "MIME type" and said to ignore parameters where appropriate
  158. # [16:18] <annevk> fwiw, I believe the preferred term is "media type"
  159. # [16:19] <zcorpan_> what's the difference? a MIME type can have parameters and media type is a subset of MIME type?
  160. # [16:20] <annevk> no, they both mean the same thing, it's just that one is preferred per my recollection
  161. # [16:21] <zcorpan_> oh, ok. media type conflicts with MQ in my mind :)
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  170. # [16:54] <aroben> Hixie: the tracker seems to be non-functional (e.g., <http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=1196&to=1197>)
  171. # [16:55] <aroben> Hixie: for me it says "No result."
  172. # [16:57] <annevk> he's not responsible
  173. # [16:57] <annevk> seems that svn.whatwg.org is down
  174. # [16:57] <annevk> for which he is responsible :p
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  186. # [17:59] <Philip`> Hixie: On a page like http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/section-tree-construction.html the annotation system login box hides some text behind it, which is quite undesirable
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  207. # [19:29] <gsnedders> what's the POSIX command that gets the path of a command (i.e., curl would return /usr/bin/curl if $PATH said to look there first and it was there)?
  208. # [19:31] <gsnedders> which
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  210. # [19:35] <Philip`> That doesn't seem to be POSIX
  211. # [19:36] <Philip`> (Hooray, now I can parse token streams that contain nothing but comments)
  212. # [19:37] <Philip`> (except it gets it backwards if you have >= 1 comment)
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  242. # [22:05] <blooberry> grr. renee saarsoo's dmoz research has disappeared from his site. *consults google cache*
  243. # [22:11] <Philip`> blooberry: http://web.archive.org/*/triin.net/2006/06/12/HTML seems to work
  244. # [22:12] <blooberry> philip`: *nod* I'll email him too. I just received a response from him a week or so about his research, so I doubt that the site is stale
  245. # [22:12] <blooberry> something probably just went all broke-y. 8-}
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  247. # [22:20] <jwalden> Hixie: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=387706#c52
  248. # [22:20] <jwalden> ^ also for anyone else who cares about HTML5 postMessage
  249. # [22:20] <jwalden> :-\
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  251. # [22:23] <SadEagle> jwalden: http://lxr.kde.org/source/KDE/kdelibs/kdeui/util/fixx11h.h?v=4.0-branch#250
  252. # [22:26] <othermaciej> jwalden: seems like a Mozilla issue that to name something postMessage you need to conflict with the name PostMessage
  253. # [22:26] <jwalden> I agree, more or less
  254. # [22:27] <jwalden> I think it's more a Windows issue than anything else, tho
  255. # [22:27] <jwalden> SadEagle: does that work in headers? claim at the top of that file is it doesn't
  256. # [22:27] <othermaciej> well in WebKit for instance, there doesn't have to be any identifier named "PostMessage" to name something "postMessage", but I agree also that Windows system headers are a cesspool of despair
  257. # [22:28] <Philip`> Just #undef PostMessage and then use PostMessageW whenever you want to talk to Windows
  258. # [22:28] <SadEagle> jwalden: I don't see why it won't. The problem is, the trick would rename the Win32 postMessage to something else. And your windows port might actually use that
  259. # [22:29] * Philip` assumes it works sort of like that, but could be totally wrong
  260. # [22:29] <jwalden> not our code that's breaking, is the problem
  261. # [22:29] <SadEagle> Philip`: except when PostMessageA is wanted :-)
  262. # [22:29] <jwalden> I'd totally use that fix if we were broken
  263. # [22:29] <Philip`> SadEagle: But nobody wants ANSI any more :-)
  264. # [22:29] <SadEagle> othermaciej: they got nothing on X headers :-)
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  267. # [22:47] <roc> aaargh, the memories
  268. # [22:47] <roc> "#define Status int"
  269. # [22:49] <othermaciej> given that Microsoft's strategy is to focus on developers, you have to wonder what it would be like if they focused on end uers
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  274. # [23:09] <jwalden> hrm
  275. # [23:10] <jwalden> MS extensions for the sorta-win, at a glance: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hsttss76.aspx
  276. # [23:11] <Philip`> Hmm, they totally broke MSDN in Opera
  277. # [23:11] <jwalden> it's pretty horked in Firefox too
  278. # [23:11] <webben_> MSDN is amazingly broken most of the time even in newer versions of their own browser
  279. # [23:11] <jwalden> parts of the page blanked out corresponding to their dropdown menus?
  280. # [23:11] * webben_ remembers struggling to read it in IE7 Beta
  281. # [23:12] <jwalden> if that's what it is, hovering to open them and then moving off to close usually fixes it for me
  282. # [23:12] <SadEagle> It works in konq when identifying as firefox... but nor normally
  283. # [23:14] <Philip`> It probably doesn't help that one of their CSS files is an HTML page saying "Sorry, we were unable to service your request." as text/css
  284. # [23:14] <jwalden> har har
  285. # [23:16] * webben_ just wishes they'd fix it; it's a massively useful source they've made incredibly difficult to use
  286. # [23:18] <Philip`> In Opera it just has no stylesheets
  287. # [23:18] <Philip`> I've got no idea where Firefox is getting its stylesheet content from, though
  288. # [23:20] <SadEagle> Philip`: does whatever opera you do support getters/setters?
  289. # [23:21] <roc> i hear the silverlight version is going to be awesome
  290. # [23:23] * webben_ would just like a plain HTML search and a plain HTML output format.
  291. # [23:23] <jwalden> yeah, MSDN's going to be really flashy -- sorry, Silverlight-y -- when they get that out
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  293. # [23:25] <Philip`> SadEagle: I think it doesn't
  294. # [23:25] <Philip`> (since it's Opera 9.2)
  295. # [23:27] <Dashiva> msdn looks (relatively) good in 9.5
  296. # [23:27] <Dashiva> Not bad in 9.2 either, really
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  298. # [23:27] <Dashiva> Sure, the top text is above the top of the screen, but nobody uses that text anyhow :)
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