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  1. # Session Start: Sun Mar 02 00:00:00 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
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  5. # [01:00] <annevk> gsnedders, standards suck, the goal is to make them suck less
  6. # [01:45] <gsnedders> annevk: the problem is implementing sucky standards.
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  34. # [09:52] <annevk> gsnedders, implementing them is the first step
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  41. # [10:23] <Hixie> woot, managed a whole three paragraph e-mail with equal line lengths throughout
  42. # [10:25] <annevk> in 512 characters?
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  45. # [10:39] * Hixie investigates <span ===>
  46. # [10:39] <Hixie> webkit: ignores any attributes starting with =
  47. # [10:40] <Hixie> opera does too
  48. # [10:41] <Hixie> wow, so does firefox
  49. # [10:42] <annevk> ie7 doesn't
  50. # [10:42] <annevk> <span ===? gives SPAN ="=="
  51. # [10:44] <Hixie> yeah that's what the spec will say
  52. # [10:44] <Hixie> except it'll now be a parse error too
  53. # [10:46] <Hixie> actually no
  54. # [10:47] <Hixie> the spec will require <span ===> to become a SPAN with an '=' attribute with value '='.
  55. # [10:47] <annevk> ie specialcases = in the name state
  56. # [10:47] <annevk> to directly go to the attribute value state
  57. # [10:47] <Hixie> effectively
  58. # [10:48] <annevk> it's actually weirder
  59. # [10:49] <annevk> <span =x"="x> versus <span =x"="x">
  60. # [10:50] * annevk can't really make sense out of it
  61. # [10:51] <Hixie> <span a=b =x"="x> for me is being treated as a text node
  62. # [10:52] <Hixie> wow yeah that's some confusing shit right there
  63. # [10:52] <Hixie> glad we don't care enough about that edge case
  64. # [11:24] <Hixie> <x a=& b="& "> has no parse errors, but <x c="&"> does
  65. # [11:24] <Hixie> that seems bad
  66. # [11:25] <Hixie> and fixing it would be a bitch unless we just allow &" and &' anywhere.
  67. # [11:28] <annevk> that doesn't seem too harmful
  68. # [11:32] <Hixie> hm, found an easy solution
  69. # [11:32] <Hixie> which will probably be a pain to implement, but oh well
  70. # [11:32] <annevk> rly?
  71. # [11:32] <annevk> hmm
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  77. # [12:28] <Hixie> how do we feel about adding entities?
  78. # [12:29] <annevk> i think it makes sense to add the ones IE already has
  79. # [12:30] <annevk> and MathML at some point...
  80. # [12:31] * annevk sitll considers named entities rather useful
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  83. # [12:51] <Philip`> Is it intentional that <foo bar=> is not a parse error?
  84. # [12:51] <Hixie> yes
  85. # [12:52] <gsnedders> I too would like to see MathML entities, FWIW
  86. # [12:52] <Hixie> see the comment i just added about entities
  87. # [12:53] <gsnedders> ah
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  90. # [13:28] <Philip`> Hmph, every time I update my tokenisers to match the spec, the spec changes
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  92. # [13:31] <Hixie> well right now i'm responding to tokeniser and parser feedback
  93. # [13:31] <Hixie> so yes
  94. # [13:31] <Hixie> :-)
  95. # [13:31] <Hixie> bed time now though
  96. # [13:52] <gsnedders> Anyone have any ideas of how to parse a dict URI with a turing machine (i.e., breaking the spec)
  97. # [13:54] * Philip` discovers that "<foo bar=''" now has more parse errors than before
  98. # [13:56] <Philip`> Python html5lib now fails 21 tests, so I guess I shouldn't commit the updated tests
  99. # [13:57] <gsnedders> it's awfully easy to define something that's impossible to parse with ABNF
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  102. # [14:23] <Philip`> Hixie: "After attribute value (quoted) state" -> "Reconsume the character in thebefore attribute name state." is missing a space
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  122. # [19:44] <annevk> Is http://forums.whatwg.org/viewtopic.php?t=164 basically a request for CURIES? ...
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  124. # [20:22] <Lachy> I like how he claims that the processing requirements for the new feature are "The same as the current <BASE> element "
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