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  1. # Session Start: Sun Jun 22 00:00:00 2008
  2. # Session Ident: #whatwg
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  6. # [00:44] * Philip` notes that commit-watchers@whatwg.org would be much easier to use if it put the commit message in the email subject line
  7. # [00:44] <Hixie> send mail asking for it
  8. # [00:44] <Hixie> i make no promises
  9. # [00:47] <jcranmer> Philip`: you think so too?
  10. # [00:47] <MikeSmith> Philip`: fwiw, messages to public-html-diffs@w3.org do have a truncated version of commit message in the subject line
  11. # [00:47] <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2008Jun/
  12. # [00:48] <Dashiva> It's somewhat amusing that Bjoern suggests catering to stone-age mail clients on a list dedicated to creating the future :)
  13. # [00:48] <MikeSmith> the body of the message links back to the whatwg HTML5 webapps-tracker
  14. # [00:48] <MikeSmith> as well as to other things
  15. # [00:52] <Philip`> MikeSmith: Ah, that's close to what I'm wanting
  16. # [00:52] <Philip`> But I can't trust anything that's not hosted on whatwg.org ;-)
  17. # [00:55] * MikeSmith worries that Philip has seen right through his mind-control experiment
  18. # [00:56] <MikeSmith> man, this really has got to be the quote of the day]
  19. # [00:56] <MikeSmith> "With the exception of the cross-burning episode. ... I believe John Freshwater is teaching the values of the parents in the Mount Vernon school district."
  20. # [00:56] <MikeSmith> http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g1SluWTuZ9ddhhJI06SSqutTwstgD91E38D00
  21. # [00:57] <Philip`> I could argue that I want to use commit-watchers instead of public-html-diffs because I want to minimise the number of clicks needed to see the diff
  22. # [00:57] <Philip`> so it's better when the diff is directly in the email
  23. # [00:59] <jgraham> MikeSmith: Although from the same article... "he was certified only in science, the report said"... nice to know he was sane except in matters of science :)
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  25. # [00:59] <jgraham> Oh and Philip`'s suggestion sounds very useful
  26. # [01:03] <Dashiva> Maybe it was a chemistry experiment
  27. # [01:06] <Philip`> Oops, I misread the "Giant reorg to move things ..." commit message as "Giant robot to ..."
  28. # [01:07] <Philip`> I do hope science fiction's predictions of giant robots will come true, because they'd be awesome
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  30. # [01:22] <mcarter> Philip`, it seems unlikely that they'll look like robots
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  35. # [01:39] <Philip`> mcarter: Why?
  36. # [01:39] <Philip`> The successful ones will be those that are marketed well, and awesome-looking giant robots are much easier to sell than boring metal boxes
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  38. # [01:40] <mcarter> Philip`, well, we sort of already have giant robots... modern jet airplanes for instance
  39. # [01:40] <mcarter> what would you do with a gigantic metal humanoid?
  40. # [01:41] <Philip`> I would crush my opponents
  41. # [01:41] <mcarter> my opponents are all on the internet
  42. # [01:41] <Philip`> Also it would make a nice garden decoration
  43. # [01:41] <mcarter> i wouldn't know where to find them to crush them
  44. # [01:41] <Philip`> mcarter: You could ask them
  45. # [01:41] <mcarter> i giant botnet would far cooler
  46. # [01:41] <MikeSmith> Philip`, jgraham : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2008Jun/0162.html
  47. # [01:42] <Philip`> or just look them up on Facebook to find their home address
  48. # [01:42] <MikeSmith> +1 to giant robots
  49. # [01:43] <mcarter> Philip`, i guess you were a big fan of that transformers movie then
  50. # [01:43] <Philip`> MikeSmith: Hmm, you are doing a good job at tempting me to switch my diff provider :-(
  51. # [01:44] <Philip`> mcarter: Actually I've never seen it (except for trailers)
  52. # [01:44] <mcarter> i thought it was pretty stupid, but it did have huge robots.
  53. # [01:45] <Philip`> I tend not to watch any movie unless I see it for £5 while I happen to be walking through a DVD store
  54. # [01:45] <Philip`> (Sometimes I stretch to £5.99)
  55. # [01:46] <MikeSmith> I find trying to read through non-syntax highlighted diffs it plain-text e-mail to be not so great a way of reviewing them
  56. # [01:46] <MikeSmith> but I will admit that's the main way I initially read most diffs myself
  57. # [01:47] <MikeSmith> I guess it's good enough for doing a first-pass look-through to see if you care to go look at in more detail
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  64. # [02:42] <glynch> Have you guys any potential video codecs you are currently considering for HTML5?
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  66. # [02:46] <glynch> Also, pertaining to the <canvas> element, has Apple made any sort of public statement or indication that they will not assert intellectual property rights over the element?
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  69. # [02:50] <Lachy> glynch, re canvas patents, Apple has agreed to the W3C's patent policy on that issue already.
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  71. # [02:52] <glynch> Lachy: Cool. Has Microsoft indicated whether it will implement <canvas> that you know of?
  72. # [02:52] <takkaria> not afaik, no
  73. # [02:52] <glynch> :(
  74. # [02:52] <Philip`> glynch: They've indicated they won't implement it for IE8, but haven't said anything else
  75. # [02:53] <glynch> Philip`: ty
  76. # [02:53] <Philip`> (They tend not to say anything about any feature at all, until releasing software that implements it)
  77. # [02:54] <glynch> I see. It would be very nice if they did, but I suppose we'll just have to keep emulating it for the time being
  78. # [02:59] <Philip`> And encourage people to use browsers that do support it already
  79. # [02:59] <glynch> Yeah. I see Apple doing that.. Nice move dropping IE6 support from it's Mobile Me platform
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  81. # [03:00] <glynch> It's going to have some good leverage in the mobile market with webkit
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  95. # [06:34] <mcarter> So I made an example WebSocket implementation, if anyone is interested in testing it out
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  98. # [08:41] <mcarter> er, sorry
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  152. # [19:07] <hendry> dragonfly doesn't seem to grok web forms 2.0 http://dabase.com/wf2/
  153. # [19:08] <hendry> repetition templates
  154. # [19:31] * Philip` looks at arc() again and gets quite confused, until realising that's because he was testing in Opera which is rubbish and broken
  155. # [19:32] <Philip`> so I now continue to believe that the spec does match sensible implementations, so I'm happy
  156. # [19:34] <annevk> is your test suite updated?
  157. # [19:34] <annevk> if so, QA should probably have another look and file new bugs as appropriate
  158. # [19:34] <Philip`> http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0D%0A%3Ccanvas%20id%3Dc%3E%3C%2Fcanvas%3E%0D%0A%3Cscript%3E%0D%0Awindow.onload%3Dfunction()%7B%0D%0Avar%20ctx%3Ddocument.getElementById('c').getContext('2d')%3B%0D%0Actx.arc(100%2C%2050%2C%2030%2C%200%2C%2015%2C%20false)%3B%0D%0Actx.stroke()%3B%0D%0A%7D%0D%0A%3C%2Fscript%3E
  159. # [19:34] <Philip`> ^ that (in Opera) is not what I'd call an arc
  160. # [19:35] <Philip`> annevk: Not yet - that's what I'm working on now
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  169. # [20:51] <annevk> Philip`, k, cool
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  179. # [22:46] * met_ just found location.search in URL http://www.example.com/? returns blank string in Firefox and question-mark in other browsers.
  180. # [22:46] <met_> Assuming it's Firefox bug.
  181. # [22:48] <gavin> is there a spec that covers that behavior?
  182. # [22:48] <met_> gavin, I've found just this http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/infrastructure.html#search
  183. # [22:49] <met_> there is only general getter for search and there is prefix "?"
  184. # [22:50] <met_> IE, Opera, Safari returns "?" just Firefox ""
  185. # [22:55] <met_> gavin, cannot find anything in bugzilla, so I'm filling bug
  186. # [22:56] * Philip` finally gets the error/warning output from his test-generating script to be less than one screenful
  187. # [23:06] * met_ jist filled https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=441190 about location.search incosistency
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  193. # [23:40] <weinig> Philip`: hey, I say you were noting that Safari had trouble compositing canvases on top of one another using drawImage(canvas...) right?
  194. # [23:40] <weinig> Philip`: do you have a test case for it?
  195. # [23:41] <hendry> wtf is going on with web forms 2. hasn't webkit landed some recent support? http://groups.google.com/group/webforms2/browse_thread/thread/18116a12b04e69f4 is annoying
  196. # [23:47] <Lachy> crap, I wish they didn't stop development of it.
  197. # [23:48] <Lachy> If they did implement it, then we'd have two implementations and a very strong case for keeping WF2 instead of creating something new
  198. # [23:50] <weinig> we have a Summer of Code applicant working on some Web forms stuff
  199. # [23:51] <weinig> Validation is what he is doing right now
  200. # [23:51] <Lachy> cool
  201. # [23:51] <weinig> Lachy: we also just added support for autofocus I think
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