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  72. # [10:08] <hsivonen> http://www.steamd.net/2008/06/html-vs-xhtml-rumble-in-the-ju.html
  73. # [10:14] <Dashiva> He seems to be missing the point
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  75. # [10:15] <Dashiva> "No one can argue that HTML 4 is a well documented standard."
  76. # [10:16] <Dashiva> He left out a not, but it became all the more appropriate :)
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  83. # [11:13] <Lachy> LOL. He is indeed a web standards wannabe. :-)
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  92. # [12:51] <takkaria> I like Justin James' objection to including Web Forms 2
  93. # [12:51] <takkaria> "This can only lead to problems. Without this, developers are forced to perform server-side validation. With it, developers will rely upon it, and create massive security holes in their applications."
  94. # [12:52] <Dashiva> Yeah, because nobody relies on client side validation right now
  95. # [12:56] <Philip`> It's not about absolutes - some developers will use it, and some of those will not do server-side validation when they otherwise would, because they're lazy or they don't understand why it's needed, and some of those cases will be security holes
  96. # [13:05] <Lachy> it seems he objects to the whole thing
  97. # [13:06] <Lachy> though I somewhat agree with him about the XML form submission. I don't see why it's necessary at all, it doesn't add any more expressiveness beyond other form submission methods
  98. # [13:07] <Lachy> and Hixie already said the repetition model would probably be dropped, but I don't mind it being included
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  100. # [13:08] <takkaria> forms just aren't part of a static document, so by having forms in the spec at all HTML becomes a pseudo-declarative programming language
  101. # [13:09] <takkaria> to then claim that adding the repetition model makes a difference to that is a bit off, I think
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  106. # [13:19] <Philip`> takkaria: I have lots of documents with forms that are very static since they're printed on paper
  107. # [13:19] <Philip`> but none of those have buttons to add or remove rows
  108. # [13:20] <Philip`> so the repetition does make a difference in that way compared to basic forms
  109. # [13:26] <takkaria> forms on the Web are interactive, though; they say "put a control here" and "put a control here"
  110. # [13:27] <takkaria> not "draw an outline here"
  111. # [13:28] <takkaria> you're certainly not marking up text by providing forms, so in that way forms are describing a UI
  112. # [13:29] <takkaria> so all that varies then is how much UI you want to allow
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  151. # [21:54] <Lachy> gsnedders, how long what will last?
  152. # [21:55] <gsnedders> Lachy: this wi-fi conneciton
  153. # [21:55] <gsnedders> On another note, I have an almost completely working spec-gen
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  156. # [22:00] <gsnedders> that wasn't the answer I was looking for
  157. # [22:02] <gsnedders> heh. not only is my web connection teh sux the webserver I want it down :P
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  169. # [23:01] <gsnedders> Hixie: Can you change /style/specification to reference .toc and not ul.toc (my spec-gen outputs ol, as it really should be)
  170. # [23:01] <gsnedders> Hixie: (mine also only has .toc on the out-most level)
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  172. # [23:05] * gsnedders is still debating whether to just do s/[DATE]/4th July 2008/ or something in the structure
  173. # [23:08] <Hixie> done
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