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  3. # [00:01] <othermaciej> to avoid wasting CPU cycles if you fire off long-running computation that turns out to be unnecessary
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  5. # [00:02] <Hixie> hm
  6. # [00:02] <othermaciej> and to make it slightly easier not to make all your threads be runaways (otherwise you have to set up a message handler in the thread to cancel all timers and pending I/O when asked to stop, seems like a needless pain)
  7. # [00:03] <Hixie> well if all the channels to a worker get closed, you kill the thread as if the user had killed it
  8. # [00:03] <Hixie> though you'd still want to use a timeout to allow the thread to empty it's message queue
  9. # [00:03] <Hixie> its
  10. # [00:04] <othermaciej> closing all channels as implicit termination is a bit weak (you have to keep track of all channels you may have vended)
  11. # [00:05] <othermaciej> and also I guess counts on the worker object itself not being a message target, or else you have to make sure to drop all refs and let it get GC'd to really kill it
  12. # [00:05] <Hixie> isn't that a good thing? why would you want to kill a worker if some other frame has a handle to it? especially given that that could mean the thread dying while someone is talkign to it
  13. # [00:06] <Hixie> well the way i'm currently speccing it, there is no worker object on the outside
  14. # [00:06] <Hixie> only the channels
  15. # [00:06] <Hixie> creating a worker gets you a channel to that worker
  16. # [00:06] <othermaciej> I see
  17. # [00:07] <othermaciej> is there a way to copy the channel (so that you have multiple copies which independently need to be closed)?
  18. # [00:07] <Hixie> if the worker is named, you can get multiple independent windows (from the same origin) getting channels to a single worker
  19. # [00:07] <Hixie> and since you can send a port down a channel, you can associate multiple channels with a worker, yes
  20. # [00:08] <Hixie> they're not the same channel, just different channels that have one end owned by the worker
  21. # [00:09] <othermaciej> I don't think open channels controlling the lifecycle makes sense
  22. # [00:09] <Hixie> why not?
  23. # [00:09] <othermaciej> having an open channel wouldn't keep a Window alive presumably, if that window is otherwise closed
  24. # [00:10] <Hixie> if a window closes, or has its session history traversed, channels to that window have their other end temporarily deactivated
  25. # [00:10] <Hixie> (the channels get permanently deactivated when the window is garbage collected)
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  30. # [00:27] <annevk> Hixie, is Workers going to define a new database and local storage API and such?
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  89. # [11:14] <annevk> Hixie, "The closing attribute must return false until the "kill a worker" processing model defined below sets it to false."
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  102. # [13:57] <Lachy> Hixie, yt?
  103. # [14:03] <Lachy> never mind.
  104. # [14:42] <maikmerten> hmm... as for the audio canvas... I was about to write to the list that this might have security implications (generate signals damaging amplifiers, speakers and ears), but then I recognized that this works nicely with prerecorded audio files as well ;)
  105. # [14:43] <Philip`> You could make a page with a very loud 20kHz background sound, so that most people won't even notice it but small children and dogs will get very annoyed
  106. # [14:43] <maikmerten> aye
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  108. # [14:45] <maikmerten> perhaps in future Creative will try to sell "security enabled" soundcards and speaker systems that detect potentially harmful audio signals ;)
  109. # [14:46] <Philip`> Or you could just buy cheap speakers with a very limited frequency range and volume :-)
  110. # [14:46] <maikmerten> :)
  111. # [14:49] * Philip` wonders when we'll get microphone and webcam APIs
  112. # [14:50] <annevk> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2008Jul/0354.html -_-
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  116. # [15:09] <gDashiva> Philip`: Well, flash does it already, doesn't it?
  117. # [15:44] <Lachy> krijn, yt?
  118. # [15:58] <krijn> Lachy: yes
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  186. # [20:34] <tusho> What would be a good tag for 'actual page'?
  187. # [20:35] <tusho> Header, actual page, footer
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  194. # [20:59] <Hixie> this global object nonsense is going to be painful to specify
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  216. # [22:35] <Hixie> i just found an occurance of "the the" in the spec
  217. # [22:35] <Hixie> which due to copy/paste over the past few months
  218. # [22:35] <Hixie> was actually four occurances
  219. # [22:35] <Hixie> yay copy/paste.
  220. # [22:36] <Hixie> it's sad that i only write new words like 10% of the time
  221. # [22:36] <Hixie> i almost always just find something that says vaguely what i want to say and then fix it up
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  223. # [22:37] <takkaria> sounds like coding
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  225. # [22:43] <Philip`> That makes the spec more accessible to low-bandwidth users, since copied-and-pasted text gets good gzip compression
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  227. # [22:44] <Hixie> hah
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  231. # [22:52] <gsnedders> ergh.
  232. # [22:54] <gsnedders> the postprocessor strips everything apart from ASCII alphanumeric characters and spaces for xref
  233. # [22:56] <gsnedders> and I don't do that
  234. # [22:56] <gsnedders> causes compat. issues for HTML 5
  235. # [22:57] <gsnedders> It also makes NFD é == e
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  239. # [23:20] <gsnedders> it's behaviour is so weird all over the place
  240. # [23:20] <gsnedders> I'm going insane.
  241. # [23:20] <gsnedders> (and of course things like HTML 5 _rely_ on that behaviour)
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  244. # [23:24] <Philip`> gsnedders: Why not just fix HTML 5?
  245. # [23:24] <gsnedders> Philip`: other specs will rely on it too
  246. # [23:24] <gsnedders> Philip`: so better have it in w3c-compat mode
  247. # [23:24] <gsnedders> (I won't have it in the non-compat mode, though)
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